they were thought to be HUGE gets for state.

11/22/2011 9:04:29 PM

Quote :

"What's his overall record with these diamonds in the rough? It matters, people."

Well in years 4/5 with mostly HIS players he is 15-9.

11/22/2011 11:19:16 PM

Jarnor Jones commits!

I guess he was fairly unheralded but has blown up his senior year.

11/24/2011 11:41:07 PM

Jones is a 6'4" 190lb DB, and had offers from Maryland, Vanderbilt and West Virginia. He said he's looking to play basketball at the college level as well. It seems like the staff is expecting some attrition in the offseason as we only have 1 scholarship left but are still heavily in the mix for a number of other recruits.

11/25/2011 12:27:16 AM

would be nice if this helps us with Kenderius Whitehead.

11/25/2011 1:52:22 AM

anyone know why we stopped recruiting Ty Ward?

seems like he'd be a player we'd need

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncfrecruiting/east/post?id=747

Quote :

"As for NC State, it appears the Wolfpack have moved on. Ward tried reaching out to the NC State coaches but hasn’t heard back from them yet. "

[Edited on November 25, 2011 at 1:28 PM. Reason : d]

11/25/2011 1:28:07 PM

Wow, Owino just committed to the holes, after stating we were his leader a few weeks ago...

11/27/2011 11:57:55 AM

Must have been that impressive win over Duke where they faked injuries and had to intentionally knock renfree out of the game to win

[Edited on November 27, 2011 at 12:22 PM. Reason : Z]

11/27/2011 12:22:25 PM

Recruiting will forever be shit with this staff. It's just a fact.

11/27/2011 12:57:20 PM

Quote :

"Recruiting will forever be shit with this staff. It's just a fact."

We want some STAAAAAAAAAAAAHS

11/27/2011 1:00:15 PM

For real. Glennon and graham and bryan and manning and greene and amerson and every other recruit this staff has ever got sucks. Scout told me so.

11/27/2011 1:41:23 PM

Keep seeing Noah Spence mentioned over on the free boards on Pack Pride. Don't have access to the premium material but it sounds like he's giving us serious consideration based on a few posts I've seen. This all wishful thinking or is the premium site posting any info that confirms this?

I wrote our chances off early in the process with him, would love to know we had a realistic shot with him.

11/29/2011 8:03:17 AM

There is absolutely no reason UNC should be out recruiting us at this point. 5 years in a row, under investigation, and they don't have a coach.

I don't care about stars in football, but what I said is true.

11/29/2011 8:23:43 AM

Quote :

"There is absolutely no reason UNC should be out recruiting us at this point. 5 years in a row, under investigation, and they don't have a coach."

People still underestimating the allure of UNC basketball??

In their worst years they'll still get some big time football recruits who grew up watching Carter/Jamison/Forte/Felton/Lawson/Barnes/fillintheblank.

I'm all for good recruiting classes...but if they out-recruit us every year and we still beat them...I'll take it.

11/29/2011 8:28:34 AM

Quote :

"For real. Glennon and graham and bryan and manning and greene and amerson and every other recruit this staff has ever got sucks. Scout told me so."

This logic still amazes me. A half dozen or so good players over a 4 year recruiting period means highly ranked recruiting classes are meaningless. Show me the last national champion that was littered with two and three star players. Yes, I know that's not a realistic goal, but it's proof it matters. The Boise States of the world are anomalies. I'm personally content with mediocre recruiting as long as we get to bowl games, because I'm okay with not being a power in football.

11/29/2011 9:29:52 AM

Not a good group to draw examples for.

Glennon - 4*
Amerson - 4*
Greene - 4*
Manning - 4*

But then on the flip-side:
Crisp - 5*
Barnes - 5*

It's not an exact science. I think Crisp could still end up being a solid starter, but so far he hasn't made the splash that I think most expected he would.

I agree you can't win a national championship without a lot of raw talent(4 and 5-star players), but raw talent doesn't guarantee you wins(hello UNC).

11/29/2011 10:16:50 AM

There are a lot of teams like FSU, Miami, Georgia, Tennessee, etc that are good at wasting "stars" beyond UNC. Regardless though NC State will never be a top 10 type team until we consistently recruit a top-20 class.

Some of the teams that have success without the big time recruits have good coaching and play mediocre schedules that allow them to have off weeks and avoid upsets (Boise, TCU, Utah a few years back, etc). TOB is good at developing some players, but you can't turn every lump of coal into a diamond. Plus it is no surprise that our best players are our best recruits. Imagine if TOB could land three or four 4* every year.

11/29/2011 11:11:36 AM

Amerson and Greene were both 3* on Scout

Audie Cole, Vermiglio, Reiskamp, Sweezy, Russel Wilson, Clem Johnson, CJ Wilson, Cato-Bishop, Rashard Smith, Byrd, Crawford, Norman, Peek, and Carlos Gray were all 2* kids

The only recruits that were 4* or better (that made it to campus):
Jay Smith, Mattes, Manning, Glennon, Brandon Barnes, Asa Watson, Denzel Good, Creecy, and Crisp

11/29/2011 11:31:54 AM

You can land a lot of mediocre recruits as long as you develop them. You can make unheralded behemoths into good offensive and defensive lineman. You just have to land a couple impact players in between those guys. Those impact guys can be a 5-star RB or they can be a Russel Wilson. They just need to be in there. I think we struggled this year because we didn't have enough impact players. We didn't have a 6'4" WR to win jump balls or an Andre Brown to break big running plays every game.

You definitely can't build a top 10 program with the recruiting we're doing...but you can have a top 20 one. TOB has already proven that at BC.

11/29/2011 11:45:40 AM

^
Exactly.

11/29/2011 11:47:38 AM

Quote :

"It's not an exact science. I think Crisp could still end up being a solid starter, but so far he hasn't made the splash that I think most expected he would."

Just remember, the highest rated recruit ever to play here goes by the name of DEREK MORRIS.

We all know how that turned out.

11/29/2011 11:59:33 AM

11/29/2011 12:04:25 PM

Yeah I grabbed the highest ratings between Scout and Rivals, Amerson and Green were both 4-stars on Rivals.

11/29/2011 12:07:50 PM

Quote :

"This logic still amazes me."

Somebody said that our "recruiting will forever be shit with this staff. It's just a fact." I was trying to point out that we do have a handful of 4 and 5 *s that are impact players on the team. And has been pointed out, several of our better players over the years have actually been 2 or 3 *s, according to the ranking services. I know it's cliche by now, but I do think TOB and his staff are pretty good at evaluating and finding unheralded talent. No, we're not going to be recruiting like any of the top10 programs anytime soon. One, we're talking about NC State football (sorry), and two, TOB isn't the most charismatic coach. But they are getting some "blue-chippers" every now and then, and I'm pretty happy with a lot of the lesser recognized talent he finds, some of whom were listed earlier, (which didn't include wolff). Our recruiting isn't great, but i wouldn't call it "shit" just becuase of the staars.

11/29/2011 12:23:49 PM

video of Revis working on technique with CB Marchez Coates:
http://www.maxpreps.com/video/watch.aspx#!videoid=b5ef4347-100c-42f1-97a7-688a43d245dd

11/29/2011 12:41:38 PM

^he's only a 3*, but just from his highlight videos and camp acheivements, he looks like he's got some real potential

11/29/2011 1:00:15 PM

Also we may be making some headway with 4 star LB Nick Dawson (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Nick-Dawson-118056). The coaching changes at Illinois and UNC should help in that regard as week.

11/29/2011 1:30:35 PM

there's a teaser on the rivals georgia site that Hegedus "may" accept if Georgia offers. Would hate to lose him because he looks like he could be really good, excellent pass catcher, and really good speed.

11/30/2011 12:36:21 PM

Plus he's white. And I'm not being racist, I'm just saying that because a white receiver is pretty rare, and I'd like to have one on the team.

(Maybe that does sound a little racist, but you know what I mean.)

11/30/2011 12:54:16 PM

"i want black QBs, white RBs, and an all-white secondary"

11/30/2011 12:58:14 PM

Hegedus' nickname should be the white rhino

11/30/2011 1:03:36 PM

when he first committd, i vocally pondered "who was the last white receiver we had". i think ernie offered daniel evans' brother.

11/30/2011 1:09:17 PM

^^
OLD

http://www.ramblinwreck.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/rhino_kelley00.html

11/30/2011 1:19:34 PM

nick dawson has a hell of an offer list

and, i feel the same about hegedus' whiteness... that's kind of exciting, and i would hate to lose that feeling.

[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 1:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/30/2011 1:41:15 PM

Todd Gurley (4star RB/ATH) tweeted he would be at the State-Indiana basketball game tonight in case any you students see him and want to give a shoutout.



[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 4:29 PM. Reason : a]

11/30/2011 4:28:18 PM

Nick Dawson is announcing at the Army All-American game on January 7th, and is currently listing NC State, Louisville, Illinois and Arkansas as his favorites.

12/1/2011 2:44:29 PM

and i got so much hate for saying we had no chance with spence

Quote :

"Penn State was once the quiet leader for Noah Spence, No. 4 in the ESPNU 150 and the nation's No. 2 DE. But now, the Nittany Lions are being given equal consideration alongside four other schools: Maryland, Ohio State, Florida and LSU. “Basically, it's a wait and see process with Penn State with so much up in the air,” said Greg Spence, Noah's dad. “There's so much uncertainty with the coaching staff.” Spence would like for his son's recruiter, Larry Johnson, to be retained on the next coaching staff. He'll know if that's the case before national signing day in February. As for a completed investigation into widespread charges of child abuse, Spence, who is a probationary officer, knows that could be a long time coming. “We expect to get hard news about the football coaching staff,” he said. “In regards to the charges, the allegations and things of that nature, sometimes those things take two or three years. That's a lot of negativity. ... We realize that and we'll take that into account.” The scandal has been a significant setback for Spence's recruitment, but his dad knows it pales in comparison to the scope of the alleged abuse. “It's been disappointing for thousands, not just my household. Very, very disappointing for thousands across this country," Greg Spence said. "It's very disappointing that people might have been hurt.” Penn State's slide in the race to land the Harrisburg (Pa.) Bishop McDevitt star has opened the door for Ohio State, which hired Urban Meyer as its coach on Monday. The two-time national championship coach didn't waste anytime reaching out to the Spences. “That sends a tremendous statement,” Greg Spence said of the prompt conversation with Meyer on Tuesday evening. “Noah was really excited by it. As his father, I was excited to hear from coach Urban Meyer, and honored. He expressed that at the rush end, Noah would be a strong candidate to fill their need.” Spence described Meyer as energetic and down-to-earth but made sure to point out that the recruiting process has just begun with the Buckeyes' new coaching staff. “We feel really good about him but it's purely on the conversational level, the feeling out process,” Spence said. “Very happy and excited to talk with Coach Meyer and for Noah to even be considered to be a prospect in his eyes, but it's really in the initial stage.” LSU has been there much longer, using defensive coordinator John Chavis to recruit Spence personally. “Coach John Chavis, tremendous man, tremendous history in college football,” Spence said. “We've spoken with him several times. He's come to one of Noah's games. We had a chance to speak with coach Les Miles a couple of times. We like them all.” Spence said his son also likes how LSU plays defense: hard, fast and aggressive. Playing for an SEC championship and likely a national title this season doesn't hurt either. Florida, on the other hand, will not be playing for a title. The Gators finished 6-6 and 3-5 in the SEC in Will Muschamp's first season. However, that doesn't seem to be holding back the Gators. “Coach Muschamp's energy is tremendous,” Greg Spence said. “They hit a bump in the road this year but they won't stay there long. They'll be right back to be a national contender shortly I'm sure. “The position they have in mind for Noah is kind of a hybrid defensive end. It's meant to make a lot of plays and put pressure on the passer. Noah is really looking at that hard as well.” Maryland's record, at 2-10 and 1-7 in the ACC, was even worse. Yet the Spences are still considering the Terrapins thanks to coach Randy Edsall, who just finished the first season of the Terps' rebuilding process. “It's really does not worry us because it's a transition year,” Greg Spence said. Spence said they like defensive line coach Greg Gattuso's ability to develop defensive linemen. He also said the Spence family believes Maryland's coaches build character as well as football players. “It's not just lip service,” Greg Spence said. “We really believe he cares about the student athlete even after they finish up at the University of Maryland.” Noah Spence hasn't taken any officials and won't until his high school season is complete. If Bishop McDevitt wins its next two games, the championship game will be on Dec. 16. The Spences plan to fly out the next day. Where? Greg Spence said he still wasn't sure where his son would take his first official visit. They've already been to Maryland and Penn State, which would leave LSU, Florida and Ohio State vying for a visit in just three weeks, as Spence is scheduled to make his announcement at the Under Armour All-American Game on Jan. 5. Greg Spence said his son wants what most other prospects want: a good relationship with the coaching staff, a stable coaching staff and a top-notch educational environment. Of course the Spences also want winning, but only a certain kind. “A commitment to winning, but trying to do it the right way,” Greg Spence said. “In this age of scandal and programs being set back with difference scandals and NCAA involvement, you want a team, a coach and a program that has really tried to win. “But win the right way and a way that the program will sustain itself and be consistent.”"

12/3/2011 12:36:41 AM

Quote :

"the Nittany Lions are being given equal consideration alongside four other schools: Maryland, Ohio State, Florida and LSU."

12/3/2011 8:33:54 AM

^^I'm pretty sure you receive most of the hate because you come across as a negative boob with no real info.

12/3/2011 9:41:35 AM

I've never gotten the whole "Since we didn't get the player we never had a chance" attitude. It's possible to have a chance with a recruit and still not get him. It doesn't have to be so black and white.

12/3/2011 9:47:43 AM

Im just being realistic, something that NCSU fans are not good at.

12/3/2011 1:10:48 PM

^^^^
It doesn't say anywhere that the five schools getting equal consideration are his top five.


1) NC State
2 (tie) Penn State, Maryland, Ohio State, Florida and LSU

[Edited on December 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/3/2011 1:30:52 PM

^^it is possible to be realistic without being a negative ass.

(and saying "we have no chance", when you really don't have a clue, isn't being "realistic")

12/3/2011 3:05:58 PM

A realist on a sports message board.
He's the hero tww deserves, but not the one we need. So we'll hunt him because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A dark knight negative asshole.

12/3/2011 3:41:50 PM

Quote :

"Spence would like for his son's recruiter, Larry Johnson, to be retained on the next coaching staff."

the RB Larry Johnson?

12/3/2011 4:16:29 PM

12/3/2011 4:23:16 PM

Gurley now listing State in his top 4 along with UGA, UNC and Clemson

12/5/2011 2:06:18 PM

I heard on 99.9 today that O'brien walked Gurley out of the stadium after they won their high school state championship game... this past weekend?

12/5/2011 3:30:52 PM

Does State have any shot with Keith Marshall?

12/6/2011 12:16:41 PM

no

12/6/2011 12:18:11 PM