lol:

http://www.coachoftheyear.com/Vote-Leaders.aspx#fbid=21zDUVeRdmA

Butch Davis at 8, ahead of TOB.

Butch sure shows "Sportsmanship. Integrity. Responsibility. Excellence."

/facepalm

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11/16/2010 10:55:45 AM

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Summary from IC:

16 students affected
* 4 players with agent issues
* 11 players with illegal academic assistance issues
* 1 player with both

1 coach affected
* long-running friendship/business connection with an agent
* 3rd party reports from players at other schools that he lobbied on behalf of the agent

Of the 5 agent issues:
* 1 dismissed from team and declared ineligible
* 2 declared permanently ineligible
* 2 penalized

Of the 12 academic assistance issues
* 2 declared permanently ineligible (pending appeal)
* 3 disallowed from competition for 1 season by honor court
* 3 allowed to compete following honor court dates (could be innocent or considered minor infraction)
* 4 innocent (no honor court dates)

Agent issues
* Dishonesty to NCAA investigators was a mitigating factor in all three permanently ineligible cases. It is likely that had the players admitted the violations up front, they would not have been declared permanently ineligible.

* One of the three players declared ineligible accepted a jewelry gift that was traced to Miami jeweler AJ Machado. Machado specializes in bling for athletes. It is unclear whether Machado is considered by the NCAA to be an agent or a runner to an agent or financial advisor.

* Two players received admission wrist bands to a pool party from Michael Katz, an employee of agent Drew Rosenhaus.

* One player received hotel rooms paid for by Todd Stewart, who is considered by the NCAA to be a prospective agent.

* One player received "minimal benefits" from Chris Hawkins, a former player previously endorsed by UNC. Subsequent to the investigation, Hawkins was declared to be a runner by the NCAA. While he was a central figure in the investigation, his actual wrong doing at UNC seems small, although he was linked to the suspension of Georgia player AJ Green over the sale of a game jersey.

* The two penalized players accepted benefits from a friends/former players Omar Brown, Hakeem Nicks, and Mahlon Carey. From reports, the benefits received were a) car rides to/from the airport b) overnight stays in their houses c) misc entertainment expenses (disneyland tickets). No evidence links these incidents with agents or runners.

* Vernon Davis, a former Maryland player, provided $20 in benefits.

* An unknown man from Miami provided $323 in benefits.

* The grand total impact of the agent-related ineligibility/suspensions in 2010: 46 player-games lost

* The issues involving Coach Blake are difficult to assess, but don't look promising:
- He had a long standing friendship/personal relationship with the agent Gary Wichard.
- He admits to have taken a number of personal loans from Wichard over the years
- He was issued a credit card in Wichard's business name
- A non-UNC player, when questioned by the NCAA, admitted that Blake recommended Wichard to him. This contradicts Blake's own testimony to the NCAA.
- Only one former UNC player has ever signed with Wichard as an agent
- Credit card belonging to Wichard's agency were used on trips the media has linked to one UNC's players.
- Davis, on learning of Blake's relationship with Wichard, expressed surprise and thoroughly threw Blake under the bus

* All of the incriminating evidence against Blake was privileged information that was leaked to press. The only plausible source for the leak was the NCAA itself. This does not excuse any wrong doing on Blake's behalf, but clearly the NCAA is willing to bend the rules to execute whatever agenda they have cooked up.

* When examined as a whole, there is no systematic large scale problem. Rather, there are a number of small incidents which add up to give the impression of a larger problem. However, it should be noted that the number of small incidents could open UNC up to the dreaded "Lack of institutional control" charges.


Academic issues
* The academic issues were unrelated to the agent issues, but were uncovered while the NCAA was questioning the players regarding the agent issues. Clearly, neither the media nor UNC itself has done a good job of keeping the two issues separate. Again, this resulted in the appearance of a larger problem that it was in reality.

* The 2 players declared permanently ineligible received illegal assistance from a tutor while that tutor was on the payroll. It is speculated that dishonesty to NCAA investigators may be a mitigating factor for these two.

* The 3 that were disallowed from competition in 2010 were guilty of an academic infraction.

* The 4 that never went to the honor court were innocent.

* The 3 that were sent to the honor court could either be innocent or guilty only of minor infractions.

* All academic issues were attributable to a single tutor who was an undergraduate student while on the university payroll.

* The tutor's contract was not renewed by the university because it was evident that she was developing personal friendships with the players (a violation of policy).

* The tutor was one of the 3 tutors hired by the Davis family to tutor their son, who was a high school student. While this added fuel to the fire the media ginned up, the connection between Davis and the tutor in question is probably coincidental.

* That tutor's reluctance to assist in the investigation was a factor that caused delays for some of the accused athletes.

11/16/2010 11:10:16 AM

Quote from IC:

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"Poor little Cam - he is innocent. It was his daddy, the Reverend, who solicited the 200K, and Cam knew nothing about it."

That "he didnt know anything about it" approach is such bullshit. What? You say we've been using it for 4 months now?

11/16/2010 11:29:26 AM

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"* Vernon Davis, a former Maryland player, provided $20 in benefits."

lol... what did he buy for him? A pizza?

11/16/2010 11:31:10 AM

Anyone listening to this dribble on NPR?

11/16/2010 12:47:20 PM

They're discussing the UNC shit on NPR?? What are they saying?

11/16/2010 12:49:33 PM

Actually...they are having a bunch of point guards do ball handling drills.

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"dribble on NPR"

11/16/2010 12:56:57 PM

^^^^
Based on the UNC/NCAA scale for confirmed benefit values, dinner and two bottles of wine at the Angus Barn.

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11/16/2010 12:58:19 PM

dinner and two bottles of wine at the Angus Barn for $20 = deal of the century...what a crock of shit.

11/16/2010 1:01:12 PM

Does that mother fucker know what a "mitigating factor" is? God damn.

11/16/2010 1:56:10 PM

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"They're discussing the UNC shit on NPR?? What are they saying?"

pretty much the discussion was "should student athletes get paid?".

then of course everyone one sided the hell out of it, which i was surprised for NPR.

Shit like "the university makes billions, the coaches make millions, the player sees his jersey being sold, the player gets nothing... and now he gets suspended when he takes a pair of earrings".

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM. Reason : e]

11/16/2010 2:03:51 PM

ah yes, the old argument that players get "nothing" lol

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 3:05 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 3:05:00 PM

When I want to hear hard hitting and deep insightful sports commentary 24/7, I turn on National Public Radio

11/16/2010 3:06:46 PM

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=131193517

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"A desperately favorite NCAA punishment is to require the offending college to forfeit the games it won sometime in its dark past. Oh, that smarts. That really scares cheaters. Changing old record books is like telling you that the vacation you had in Jamaica four years ago, when you were drinking rum, playing golf and swimming with a beautiful woman in the moonlight really wasn't any fun."

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"The Cam Newton case may itself add up to nothing, but it perfectly illustrates, once again, that the American way of college sports is outdated, corrupt and impossible to maintain, with rented mules."

11/16/2010 3:14:44 PM

I agree forfeiting past games isn't a real sanction. However, paying student-athletes creates more issues than it solves. Do you let big time programs outbid small programs, or do you expect small non-BCS programs to magically afford this? Do you plan to eliminate nonrevenue sports (which I guess would mean most other men's sports or violating title IX) to finance this? Reducing football scholarships from 85 to 55-60 (like an NFL roster)? Do nonrevenue sports athletes get no pay? What about athletes at Division I schools that don't earn net revenue on basketball and/or football?

To even begin to make the financing of this work, you would have to see a major divisional realignment of NCAA member institutions (or possibly NCAA institutions leaving the NCAA). Something like the Power 6 conferences forming their own division and/or organization with their own rules and spending restrictions.

11/16/2010 3:25:55 PM

Paying athletes to play for a college is retarded.

If it came to that, just disconnect NCAA football/basketball from the college system and turn it into its own professional minor league. That means no more scholarships. If the athletes really want an education they can pay for it with their new salaries.

Make a hard distinction between "Students" and "Professional Athletes" because it sounds like UNC doesn't know how to maintain "Student Athletes."

11/16/2010 3:43:34 PM

exactly. Anybody (and esp any athletes) that complains that student-athletes get "nothing" while the coaches get all this money etc. just makes me laugh. These kids get $100,000 in benefits over 4 years (easily for someone who goes out of state to play football) yet complain about not getting "paid"?

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .]

11/16/2010 3:57:15 PM

man, i wish my college education was free

11/16/2010 4:09:38 PM

^ that was brought up as well.

Some guy on the radio did the tim tebo in-state argument - "in state students pay only a few thousand, if that, to go to in state colleges while the college makes millions off them"

11/16/2010 4:58:26 PM

I guess some people's opinion of "a few thousand" is different than mine I'm glad I went to NCSU and got my degree: It lead to a good job and the payoff was worth it, but I certainly was left with more than "a few thousand" in student loans after tuition, room, board, and books over the 4 years I was in school.

11/16/2010 5:05:58 PM

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"Summary from IC:"

I saw that thread. The best part is the second or third post is a guy, after seeing that huge list of facts that were rattled off, saying "yeah I don't think they have enough for major sanctions either."

[Edited on November 16, 2010 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ...]

11/16/2010 5:45:23 PM

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"agree forfeiting past games isn't a real sanction."

This is the only recent case I can think of where forfeiting games WOULD be a real sanction. Since we're still in the middle of a season and they've obviously played ineligible players then forfeiting games to remove UNC from bowl contention would have been justified.

So, of course, the NCAA decided not to do that because actually punishing a school for this sort of behavior might affect their revenue stream.

11/16/2010 5:53:09 PM

i don't see the NCAA making them vacate any wins in the near future

11/16/2010 6:19:58 PM

They should rename IC insidedcamnewton.com for a month. It is crazy to read those lunatics talk about the whole situation. They are absolutely irate that one player might have received benefits yet could care less that they have 16 guys that cheated and 5 that received benefits as well as a fucking coach being in an agents pocket. Somehow they think that auburn should get the same as them but think that their punishment should be minimal because they "cooperated" (though players were dismissed for lying under investigation).

So much so little time. Can't wait for the fire butch chants after TOB whoops DAT ASS again (knocking on wood as i type).

-just woke up from a nap and felt like ranting

11/16/2010 9:34:43 PM

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"...but I certainly was left with more than "a few thousand" in student loans after tuition, room, board, and books over the 4 years I was in school. "

Yup, same here. The scholarship is the payment. I heard a little bit of the NPR commentary. And I find it vexing how others don't understand this.

11/16/2010 9:57:03 PM

A large percentage of top-flight college basketball and football players don't give a shit about education. They're playing college ball because they have no choice. To say that the universities don't get the better end of the bargain in the long run -- with the merchandising, ticket sales, etc. -- is silly.

The real payment is the training and experience that goes to marginal players, ones that might not make it to the pros without two or three or four years at the college level.

11/16/2010 10:04:08 PM

The people on IC are going to hawk on Cam Newton so they can sleep better at night. Even the "fact-filled" post above loses any chance of credibility at

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"but clearly the NCAA is willing to bend the rules to execute whatever agenda they have cooked up."

I want whatever he's having, cause he's clearly in a blissfully ignorant place.

11/16/2010 10:52:33 PM

^^I agree. What the university offers is a stage, an audience, and mentoring for their skill. (speaking of the top players of course). The education more than pays for the rest of the players.

11/16/2010 11:42:03 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/17/808032/uncs-fate-ahead.html#ixzz15Xdtrr2a

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"Michael Buckner, a Florida lawyer who advises schools in NCAA probes but is not involved in the UNC situation, said North Carolina can expect stiff sanctions."

Going to be hard for UNC to continue to tell recruits that "nothing is going to happen"

11/17/2010 7:33:42 AM

everyone knows the N&O is out to get UNC.

11/17/2010 7:36:37 AM

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"At some point, the NCAA's enforcement staff will issue its findings. UNC and any others affected would have the chance to appeal. A special NCAA committee on infractions then determines the penalties. The chairman of that committee is Paul Dee, the former athletic director at Miami. Dee was the AD when head football coach Butch Davis left Miami in 2001 for the NFL's Cleveland Browns. Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/17/808032/uncs-fate-ahead.html#ixzz15XxggwDG"

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""Some of the things that did occur did not get all the way to the coach," Dee said. "But ultimately, the coach bears a responsibility for the program.""

[Edited on November 17, 2010 at 8:37 AM. Reason : .]

11/17/2010 8:36:58 AM

^3 define STIFF.

11/17/2010 8:41:59 AM

^^ your second quote was about Rich Rod

11/17/2010 8:46:27 AM

I know bits of the article have been highlighted but the part i bolded is what should make a rational tarhole quake in their high heels.

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"UNC athletic director Dick Baddour said the end is in sight. The NCAA's next move, though, will be to sift through the violations and determine penalties. And UNC could self-impose sanctions in anticipation of NCAA action. Michael Buckner, a Florida lawyer who advises schools in NCAA probes but is not involved in the UNC situation, said North Carolina can expect stiff sanctions. "This case is unique, both because of the number of athletes involved and certainly because of the number who have been declared ineligible," he said. Neither he nor an NCAA spokeswoman, when contacted Tuesday, could cite examples of schools that had five or more players permanently banned from play."

11/17/2010 9:52:11 AM

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"...said North Carolina can expect stiff sanctions."

Cue up the jokes...I'm sure they're on the edge of their seats waiting to see just how stiff they can get the NCAA.

11/17/2010 10:47:02 AM

Slight threadjack, but there's a thread on an LSU board that's just as riveting as this one regarding Auburn's situation with Cam Newton. It suggests all sorts of crazy shit, some even going so far to say that Auburn is laundering money through a booster who's owns casinos and the FBI is involved, they could lose their accreditation, get kicked out of the SEC, etc.

http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/MessageTopic.asp?p=22723259&Pg=1

11/18/2010 1:45:22 AM

^The ACC'll take em haha

[Edited on November 18, 2010 at 2:42 AM. Reason : .]

11/18/2010 2:42:01 AM

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"TIGER DROPPINGS DOTCOM"

[Edited on November 18, 2010 at 2:57 AM. Reason : .]

11/18/2010 2:55:27 AM

That is the first time I have seen a tiger take a shit.

Thank you

11/18/2010 7:08:20 AM

That is the first time I have seen a tiger take a shit.

Thank you

11/18/2010 8:02:32 AM

^

11/18/2010 9:23:15 AM

ive got video of a tiger taking a piss. I was doing a little video at the zoo, and the tiger walks by stops and does one of those quick squirts out the back (im pretty sure that means it was a female). It looked like one of those perfume ionizers. Only a few feet away

11/18/2010 11:42:04 AM

UNC will not impose any sanctions on itself

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/18/811280/unc-not-planning-self-imposed.html

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" Thorp said Thursday morning that the school has essentially completed its investigation and that "we feel good about where we are." Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/11/18/811280/unc-not-planning-self-imposed.html#ixzz15f9Np716"

[Edited on November 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM. Reason : quote]

11/18/2010 2:08:49 PM

Davis "Saddened and embarrassed" over UNC Scandal

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/8647366/

11/18/2010 2:10:40 PM

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""What we have to do now is hear back from the NCAA as to what they think, if they think anything at all, if there are violations," Baddour said. "We are not at the stage where we are thinking we know what the information is. We feel good about the information, so I think we'll wait and see what they say.""

Is this dude serious?

11/18/2010 2:28:35 PM

i just realized how funny this is...





Holden Butch Dick.

11/18/2010 2:32:34 PM

^5 reminded me of




[Edited on November 18, 2010 at 2:34 PM. Reason : 5]

11/18/2010 2:33:22 PM

I hope the NCAA takes the collective attitudes of Thorpe, Baddour, and Davis into account and decides to smack the fucking smug out of them.

11/18/2010 2:34:15 PM

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""What we have to do now is hear back from the NCAA as to what they think, if they think anything at all, if there are violations," "

also, so if UNC gets through this with just the dismissal of players and a coach gone, how many schools will hire "coaches" to distribute funds to big time players? They could hire me for 1 million $bucks and I will offer thousands to players to get them to sign. When/if our program gets investigated I will bail and I will even tell them you all knew nothing.

you could post this job opening on craigslist and have it filled for years...

hell, you could pay a unc walmart fan $30k a year to do this and it will be no problem

[Edited on November 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM. Reason : .]

11/18/2010 2:36:51 PM

Hell, for our program, I'd do it just for the expense account.

11/18/2010 2:48:33 PM