How did you figure out that he is a lying government scumbag? Oh right, because he contradicts what you want to believe.

10/6/2005 3:08:11 PM

No.

Because this...

Quote :

"“We’re not trying to do investigations of people inside the United States,” he said."

...is a outright lie.

10/6/2005 3:22:46 PM

How exactly do you know that?

10/6/2005 3:24:24 PM

Excellent article...

The Police State Is Closer Than You Think
http://vdare.com/roberts/051007_police_state.htm

Quote :

"When the protective features of the law are removed, law becomes a weapon. Habeas corpus, due process, the attorney-client privilege, no crime without intent, and prohibitions against torture and ex post facto laws are the protective features that shield the accused. These protective features are being removed by zealotry in the "war against terrorism.""

10/10/2005 8:15:18 AM

o i bet it is...u've been sayin for the past 1.5 years that its coming.

10/10/2005 9:30:59 AM

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20051007/ts_usatoday/troopsmaystayoninneworleans
_ylt=Av6GzwBhYyentnXLgH6S7xas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-"

Quote :

"Troops may stay on in New Orleans By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY Fri Oct 7, 2005 Two thousand National Guard troops may be needed to secure this city through March as the local police department struggles to regain its footing, acting Police Superintendent Warren Riley said Thursday. Riley, who was named to lead the department last month after the abrupt retirement of Superintendent Eddie Compass, said in an interview with USA TODAY that he hopes to have the department fully functioning by next month. But he wants the National Guard to patrol three major sections of the city that remain largely uninhabitable while New Orleans police focus on the resettlement of the rest of the city. "

Oh, and from the article...

Quote :

"Nagin also expressed concern that local workers are being shut out of jobs by laborers from Mexico. "How do I ensure that New Orleans is not overrun by Mexican workers?" he said."

OMFG!! THAT F-ING BIGOTTED RACIST REDNECK! HE HATES MEXICANS! IS HE SAYING WE SHOULD GET RID OF ALL MEXICANS! IS HE SAYING ALL MEXICANS SHOULD BE SLAUGHTERED! IS HE SAYING ALL MEXICANS SHOULD BE SKINNED ALIVE AND FED TO DOGS!!

*thanks for the inspiration for that Mr. Idiot...I mean Mr. Joshua


[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 3:34 PM. Reason : 4]

10/11/2005 3:28:42 PM

Wow. You really are crazy.

10/11/2005 3:35:07 PM

Oh, that's right. I forgot that it is IMPOSSIBLE for blacks and minorities to be racist. Only whites can be racist. My bad.

Not that Nagin's comments were racist, of course. They're not. But if a white person would have said this, the media would be ALL OVER IT. And if I would have said it, dolts like Mr. Joshua here would have been screaming bloody murder about how I'm a "racist" and "want to get rid of all the Mexicans." LOL.

[Edited on October 11, 2005 at 3:55 PM. Reason : 1]

10/11/2005 3:55:27 PM

Good job putting words in my mouth. Isn't that misrepresentation?

Do whatever you have to in order to take the attention off of your own prejudices.

10/11/2005 4:06:30 PM

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/121005slamsbush.htm

Quote :

"Republican Congressman Slams Bush On Militarized Police State Preparation Ron Paul says indictment story is far more damaging than media is portraying, avian flu martial law provisions aimed at gun confiscation Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones | October 12 2005 Congressman Ron Paul has accused the Bush administration of attempting to set in motion a militarized police state in America by enacting gun confiscation martial law provisions in the event of an avian flu pandemic. Paul also slammed as delusional and dangerous plans to invade Iran, Syria, North Korea and China. [...] Paul opined that the martial law provisions now being promoted by the Bush administration were a direct response to people's unwillingness to relinquish their firearms, as was seen in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina. "I think they're concerned about the remnant, the remnant of those individuals who don't buy into stuff and think that they should take care of themselves on their own, that they should have their own guns and their own provisions and they don't want to depend on the government at all and I think that is a threat to those who want to hold power. They don't want any resistance to their authoritarian rule.""

10/12/2005 12:36:07 PM

oh how we love prisonplanet

10/12/2005 12:37:16 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/12/AR2005101202018.html

Quote :

"Pentagon Plans to Beef Up Domestic Rapid-Response Forces By Ann Scott Tyson Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, October 13, 2005; Page A04 The U.S. military is planning a more rapid, robust role for active-duty forces in responding to catastrophic disasters or terrorist attacks, a senior Pentagon official said yesterday, describing the demand for large-scale military resources in such cases as "inevitable." Paul McHale, assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense, stressed, however, that the expanded active-duty military response would be limited to rare, mass calamities or attacks in which thousands of lives were at risk -- such as a category 4 hurricane, or a terrorist strike involving chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. Federal troops might also play a role in enforcing a quarantine in the case of a pandemic outbreak of avian flu or other disease, McHale said, although initially that job would fall to National Guard forces under the command of state governors. "We are looking at a wide range of contingencies potentially involving Title 10 forces [federal troops] if a pandemic outbreak of a biological threat were to occur," said McHale. "

TO HELL WITH POSSE COMITATUS! WE DON'T PRETENT TO CARE ABOUT THE LAW OR THE CONSTITUTION OR BILL OF RIGHTS ANYWAY! HAHAHA!

MARTIAL LAW IS GOOD!

10/13/2005 12:40:17 PM

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/business/s_383688.html

Quote :

"Scanning fingerprints, eyes catching on slowly in U.S. By The Associated Press Thursday, October 13, 2005 DAYTON, Ohio -- They walk up to an ATM and press their thumbs on the screen. Out spits the cash. New York? No. Chicago? No. The mountains and jungles of Colombia. It's one of the few places in the world where banks are using fingerprint biometrics, which verify people's identities based on their unique physical characteristics. Scanning fingerprints or irises to verify an ATM customer's identity has yet to penetrate the U.S. banking market because of concerns about expense and privacy. "

OH, IT'S SO WONDERFUL! THEY'RE TRYING TO PROTECT US FROM FRAUD AND IDENTITY THEFT.

MEANWHILE THE BORDERS STAY WIDE OPEN.

10/13/2005 12:48:10 PM

^^ So disaster preparedness is a tool of the global elite?

10/13/2005 12:52:46 PM

^
RIGHT ON. MARTIAL LAW IS THE ANSWER TO EVERY DISASTER. WHO CARES ABOUT POSSE COMITATUS? WHO CARES IF THAT MEANS SCRAPPING THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS? DON'T CALL IT MARTIAL LAW...JUST CALL IT "DISASTER PREPAREDNESS" OR SOMETHING HARMLESS LIKE THAT. GOOD IDEA. THAT WAY PEOPLE WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO ACCEPT IT.

[Edited on October 13, 2005 at 1:11 PM. Reason : 1]

10/13/2005 1:05:09 PM

I don't want to call your reading comprehension into question, but that article never mentions or even implies martial law.

Quote :

"In contrast, the Pentagon does not intend to take the lead in responding to the dozens of "major disasters" such as floods declared every year, McHale said. And even in catastrophic events, the Pentagon's goal would be to provide a rapid, early response and then to quickly transfer responsibilities to civilian authorities, he said. "It is almost inevitable that the Department of Defense will play a very substantial role in providing resources, equipment, command and control, and other capabilities in response to a catastrophic event," McHale said. Only the Pentagon can "marshal such resources and deploy them as quickly . . . during a time in which thousands of American lives may be at risk.""

10/13/2005 1:32:30 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46697

Quote :

"Corporations, government to track your every move New book 'SPYCHIPS' sets out disturbing scenario using RFID technology Posted: October 6, 2005 6:00 p.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com "Can a microscopic tag be implanted in a person's body to track his every movement? There's actual discussion about that. You will rule on that – mark my words – before your tenure is over." – Sen. Joseph Biden, to Judge John Roberts at Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Sept. 12, 2005 Imagine a world of no more privacy, where hidden radio frequency scanners will be constantly pointed at you, wirelessly reading microchips embedded in your clothing, shoes, bank cards and even your own flesh. It's the ultimate in "Big Brother," and according to the explosive new book "SPYCHIPS: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track your Every Move with RFID," companies including Wal-Mart, Target, Gillette, Proctor & Gamble, Kraft, IBM and even the U.S. government have all invested in making such a scenario a reality within the next decade. Welcome to the world of Radio Frequency Identification, or RFID, where tiny computer chips smaller than a grain of sand will track everyday objects – and even people – keeping tabs on everything you own and everywhere you go. While it sounds far-fetched and futuristic, it's already here and documented in "SPYCHIPS," written by Katherine Albrecht and Liz McIntyre. These two privacy advocates have uncovered extraordinarily detailed plans to use this new technology to watch U.S. citizens. Revelations in the book include IBM's blueprint for a "Person Tracking Unit" that scans the RFID tags on unwitting members of the public as they move through retail stores, airports, train stations, elevators, libraries, theaters and even public restrooms. They intend to follow your every move. "

Oh, and you thought Alex Jones and other "conspiracy theorists" were just making all this stuff up. They're paranoid and delusional, right? They couldn't be telling the truth?

10/13/2005 2:38:23 PM

Man I just spent about half an hour in here reading things you've posted. You seriously need help.

10/13/2005 2:40:25 PM

"In times of universal deceipt, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

10/13/2005 2:45:03 PM

"It is much easier for good to deal with evil than it is for good to deal with stupidity."

10/13/2005 2:51:21 PM

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

-Declaration of Independence


“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

-Thomas Jefferson


“Give me liberty, or give me death.”

-Patrick Henry


Does anybody think these men actually meant what they said, and that these quotes once really meant something?

Did not the people who founded this nation revolt and abolish an existing government much less tyrannical than the one we now live under?

Think about it.


[Edited on October 14, 2005 at 11:03 AM. Reason : 2]

10/14/2005 10:57:42 AM

SO GO REVOLT. STOP HIDING BEHIND YOUR COMPUTER AND GO FIGHT THE GLOBAL ELITE.

10/14/2005 2:37:34 PM

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosconsumer/0510/19/F01-353550.htm

Quote :

"Big Brother is listening, too, in bid to keep traffic moving Missouri project will monitor thousands of cell phones to track real-time road conditions in state. By David A. Lieb / The Associated Press JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. -- Driving to work, you notice the traffic beginning to slow. And because you have your cell phone on, the government senses the delay, too. A congestion alert is issued, automatically updating electronic road signs and Web sites and dispatching text messages to mobile phones and auto dashboards. In what would be the largest project of its kind, the Missouri Department of Transportation is completing a contract to monitor thousands of cell phones, using their movements to map real-time traffic conditions statewide on all 5,500 miles of major roads. It's just one of a number of initiatives to more intelligently manage traffic flow through wireless data collection. Officials say there's no Big Brother agenda in the Missouri project -- the data will remain anonymous, leaving no possibility to track specific people from their driveway to their destination. But privacy advocates are uneasy. "Even though its anonymous, it's still ominous," said Daniel Solove, a privacy law professor at George Washington University and author of "The Digital Person." "It troubles me because it does show this movement toward using a technology to track people." "

It's just for "traffic purposes." Just trust the government. The government is good. Hey, that's why it's called "Big Brother." Big Brother is your friend.

10/19/2005 2:42:38 PM

Quote :

"Officials say there's no Big Brother agenda in the Missouri project -- the data will remain anonymous, leaving no possibility to track specific people from their driveway to their destination. "

I heard about this new government program to put colored lights on street corners. If you don't stop like a good sheep when the light tells you to, the police come after you.

10/19/2005 2:45:58 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/18/AR2005101801663.html

10/19/2005 8:18:59 PM

cause crackin down on counterfeiting is bad and is a sure sign of a coming police state.

[Edited on October 19, 2005 at 8:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2005 8:49:31 PM

salisburyboy, your photo gallery on PIC is getting pretty racy, don't you think?

http://www.uncstudent.com/photo_folder.aspx?folder=3577

10/20/2005 2:51:54 AM

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/1005/19edbarr.html

Quote :

"Open season on DNA may not be far away By BOB BARR Published on: 10/19/05 Want to keep your DNA out of the hands of the government? Think your DNA is too private to be forced to give to government bureaucrats to analyze, catalog, share, retain indefinitely and possibly abuse? Tough luck. If Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Rep. Mark Green (R-Wis.) have their way, every person in this country who has the misfortune of being arrested for any federal offense, or merely "detained" by the federal government, will be forced to give a DNA sample to the government, to be used for whatever purpose it wants, whenever it wants. Hard-liners might say "Hey, that's fine; if you've been picked up by the feds, you've surrendered your right to keep your DNA private." It's not quite that simple. There are more than 4,000 federal offenses on the books, a number that is constantly growing. Those offenses include many misdemeanors, as well as many regulatory dictates that involve no harm to anyone. Also, and most important, don't forget that being arrested — much less merely detained — is not proof that you are guilty of anything. Congressional proponents of the federal database scheme are unmoved by such "technicalities." For them, if a federal agent picks you up for any reason, even if you're innocent, Uncle Sam has a right to your DNA, by force if necessary."

10/20/2005 11:48:29 AM

^^

10/20/2005 10:31:53 PM

I actually met a salisburyboy in greensboro tonight. I was at "drinking liberally" talking politics and having some beers, when this guy who had just moved from ny showed up. He starts talking about how nyc was a police state and the police carry machine guns and shit, and then he started talkign about "spics and niggers." No, salisburyboy, i'm not calling you racist. It's just part of the story.

There was something about the stuff he was saying that seemed familiar.

Then, as we were leaving, he says "i have alot of alex jones stuff that I want to bring in to the meeting next week. What the guy says is dead on and he really has his finger on the issues."

I was like, holy shit

10/21/2005 9:40:39 AM

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-19-2005/0004172810

Quote :

"Congress Set to Pass Law Eliminating Liability For Vaccine Injuries WASHINGTON, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) is calling the "Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act of 2005"(S. 1873), which passed out of the U.S. Senate HELP Committee one day after it was introduced "a drug company stockholder's dream and a consumer's worst nightmare." The proposed legislation will strip Americans of the right to a trial by jury if harmed by an experimental or licensed drug or vaccine that they are forced by government to take whenever federal health officials declare a public health emergency. "

So, the government can force us to take vaccines in any supposed "health emergency", and then if we are harmed, we have no legal remedy or right to a trial. Sounds like freedom to me.

SEE, THE GOVERNMENT LOVES US. THIS WILL PROTECTS US. FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH!

[Edited on October 21, 2005 at 11:34 AM. Reason : 1]

10/21/2005 11:33:58 AM

salisburyboy dude, i like how you organized your arguments. You back them with opinionated

articles and so on, and provide constant rebuttal. But, don't you think that...maybe you go a lil' too far

out with this stuff. Everything is not some friggin conspiracy man. I think that you are OCD with this

shit. what's the name of that movie with mel gibson???

[Edited on October 21, 2005 at 12:06 PM. Reason : im a fan of you salisburyboy, but these are just theories dude]

10/21/2005 11:53:56 AM

http://www.organicconsumers.org/Politics/harpers101205.cfm

Quote :

"Harper's Magazine: We Now Live in a Fascist State Tue, 11 Oct 2005 [...] Knowing the source of this piece makes it all the more disturbing. It is not every day that the editor of a respected national magazine publishes an essay claiming that America is not on the road to becoming, but ALREADY IS, a fascist state.... or words to that affect."

10/21/2005 2:29:35 PM

Quote :

"salisburyboy, your photo gallery on PIC is getting pretty racy, don't you think? http://www.uncstudent.com/photo_folder.aspx?folder=3577"

10/21/2005 2:33:04 PM

Excellent article...

http://proliberty.com/observer/20021209.htm

Quote :

"The Blue Pill People by Hari Heath There are none so blind as those who will not look. If you are one of those who will look, take a look around. You are surrounded -- surrounded by millions who will not look. These are the blue pill people. Who are these blue pill people and why won't they look? “The Matrix” may be only a movie, but it presents some scenarios with much relevance to our current situation. In the movie, Neo meets Morpheus and is offered an opportunity and a choice. Neo can take the red pill and see the truth for himself, or he can take the blue pill and return, comfortably unaware, to the illusion of the Matrix. There he can live out his life undisturbed by the truth. The truth depicted in The Matrix is an extreme version of modern socialism."

10/24/2005 11:30:12 AM

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/a/2005/05/18/notes051805.DTL

Quote :

"They Really Are Watching You Ready for your own all-new, sinister ID card, courtesy of Homeland Security? Shudder By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, May 18, 2005 Well, now we've done it. Congress just passed it and Dubya has promised to sign it and the Homeland Security Department is giddier than Mel Gibson in a nail factory over it and marketers nationwide are salivating at the groin at the prospect of it, and the next big step toward America becoming an even more delightfully paranoid and draconian Big Brother wonderland has now officially been taken. It's called Real ID. It is, in short, a new and genetically mutated type of driver's license for all Americans, replacing your current license and replacing your Social Security card and replacing your sense of well being and privacy and humanity and part of a new, uniform, deeply sinister, national uniform card system whereby every person living and breathing in these paranoid and tense times shall henceforth be much more traceable and watchable given how we will all soon be required by law to carry this super-deluxe computerized ID card with us at all times, packed as it will be with more personal, digitized info about you than even your mother knows."

I know...[old]. Big deal.

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 11:37 AM. Reason : 1]

10/24/2005 11:36:40 AM

^^ Oh, now I get it. He's one of those kids that has watched The Matrix too many times.

10/24/2005 3:20:41 PM

http://baltimorechronicle.com/020105ChuckBaldwin.html

Quote :

"Freedoms Lost Under G.W. Bush by Chuck Baldwin February 1, 2005--Supporters and apologists for President G.W. Bush will often assail my assertion that the Bush administration has done more to dismantle constitutional protections of our liberties than any president in modern memory. It seems that these people believe that until federal Storm Troopers knock down the doors of their homes and drag them off to the gulags, they have lost no freedoms. Nothing could be further from the truth. If history is any teacher, it instructs us in the incremental process that elitists use to implement their totalitarian agenda. The first step is to use an incessant, highly orchestrated propaganda. For all practical purposes, the major media in the United States is providing that propaganda. At the national level, there is hardly any investigative journalism going on. Instead, the national press corps has become little more than lazy lackeys for the White House. The second step is to lay the foundation for totalitarianism by passing legislation that may later be used against the citizenry. And that is exactly what the Bush administration has very successfully accomplished. It very adroitly succeeded where the Clinton administration failed. For example, most conservatives would be surprised to learn that the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security was the brainchild of one William Jefferson Clinton. However, a recalcitrant Republican Congress denied Clinton the opportunity to implement these plans. Of course, with the Republican, G.W. Bush, serving as President, that same Republican Congress was all too eager to pass these bills into law. The third step is to demonize and marginalize anyone and everyone who opposes the government's plans and ambitions. Such opponents are characterized as "unpatriotic," "obstructionist," "uncompassionate," or even "ungodly." Once again, the Bush minions have very skillfully done just that. Anyone who dares to oppose or even question Bush must be regarded as enemies of America or even as enemies of God. Of course, the last step is to begin using the power and force of government to physically silence or remove those who are determined to require such treatment. And, as Germany's National Socialists proved, by the time this happens, there is no one around who is capable of coming to the assistance of such people. For those who are willing to objectively analyze Bush's actions and policies, the truth is clearly seen: this President has systematically put in place laws, policies, and bureaucracies that can, are, and will continue to strip the American citizenry of the constitutional protections of their liberties. Following are examples of freedoms which President Bush and his fellow Republicans in Congress have already expunged (as reported by the Associated Press): FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions. FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation. RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes. FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation. RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial. RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. These rights have already been lost! Whether individual Americans have been personally subjected to the resultant tyranny or not doesn't change the fact that they have already lost these freedoms! This fact, alone, should be enough for any studious lover-of-liberty to be outraged."

[Edited on October 24, 2005 at 3:37 PM. Reason : 2]

10/24/2005 3:34:59 PM

Martial Law Survival Guide
http://freedomguide.blogspot.com/2005/10/martial-law-survival-guide-j.html

10/27/2005 8:39:49 AM

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/nation/13000365.htm

Quote :

"Patriot Act bill would expand death penalty By Dan Eggen Washington Post Oct. 26, 2005 WASHINGTON – The House bill that would reauthorize the USA Patriot Act anti-terrorism law includes several little-noticed provisions that would dramatically transform the federal death penalty system, allowing smaller juries to decide on executions and giving prosecutors the ability to try again if a jury deadlocks on sentencing. The bill also triples the number of terrorism-related crimes eligible for the death penalty, adding, among others, the material support law that has been the core of the government’s legal strategy against terrorism."

Remember, you're either with the government, or "you're with the terrorists." If you oppose the government, you are the terrorist. Be careful not to speak out against the government. That could be classified as "materially supporting" the terrorists.

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 8:48 AM. Reason : 1]

10/27/2005 8:47:19 AM

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/13020444.htm

Quote :

"Patriot Act developing decidedly un-American tilt Posted on Fri, Oct. 28, 2005 Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service The following editorial appeared in The Miami Herald on Thursday, October 27: --- In the name of fighting terror, some lawmakers have gone overboard with amendments to the U.S.A. Patriot Act. For example, Rep. John Carter, R-Texas, would let federal prosecutors shop for another jury if the first panel deadlocked on a death sentence. The very notion is absurd - jury shopping for death - and the amendment should be stripped from the Patriot Act reauthorization bill. Carter's measure would allow prosecutors to empanel a second jury and argue for death if at least one person on the original jury voted for the death penalty. Thus, an 11-1 vote recommending life in prison instead of death could be rejected in order to empanel another jury to give the prosecutor one more chance to win a death sentence. This measure would do little to actually help fight terrorism. Yet it would undermine a feature that strengthens U.S. jurisprudence and makes our system an international model. Under U.S. law, prosecutors must prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt; and federal juries must reach unanimous consensus on imposing the death penalty. If some jurors object to imposing death, it means the case for death wasn't demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. After all, only jurors who support the death penalty are allowed to judge death cases. Other amendments also should be deleted from this bill. One would triple the number of terrorism-related crimes eligible for the death penalty. Another would authorize the death penalty for a person who gives money to an organization whose members kill someone, even if the contributor did not know that the organization or its members were planning to kill. Such measures increase the chances of executing the innocent. They weaken the U.S. fight against terror and give other countries reasons to stop supporting the anti-terror campaign. These amendments have no place in the Patriot Act and should be removed."

10/28/2005 1:56:49 PM

http://www.chiefengineer.org/content/content_display.cfm/seqnumber_content/2240.htm

Quote :

"Security Cameras Please Police, Disturb Civil Libertarians NEW YORK (AP) – Six could be seen peering out from a chain drug store on Broadway. One protruded awkwardly from the awning of a fast-food restaurant. A super-sized, domed version hovered like a flying saucer outside Columbia University. All were surveillance cameras and – to the dismay of civil libertarians and with the approval of law enforcement – they’ve been multiplying at a dizzying rate all over Manhattan. “ As many as we find, we miss so many more,” Alex Stone-Tharp, 21, said on a recent afternoon while combing the streets, clipboard in hand, counting cameras in the scorching heat. A student at Sarah Lawrence, Stone-Tharp is among a dozen college interns enlisted by the New York Civil Liberties Union to bolster their side of a simmering debate over whether surveillance cameras wrongly encroach on privacy, or effectively combat crime and even terrorism – as in the London bombings investigation, when the cameras were used to identify the bombers. The interns have spent the summer stalking Big Brother – collecting data for an upcoming NYCLU report on the proliferation of cameras trained on streets, sidewalks, and other public spaces."

Big Brother and the surveillance state are good, like giving up your rights so the government "can protect us" is good. It's all good.

11/2/2005 11:48:23 AM

Quote :

"The NYCLU’s Lieberman concedes the cameras can help solve crimes. But she claims there’s no proof that they deter terrorism or more mundane crime, and some critics say it just pushes crime to where the cameras aren’t. “ No one’s saying there should be no video cameras, but let’s not look at them as a quick fix,” she said."

Solving crime on public property? Sounds fine by me.

Quote :

"Susanna Groves, 19, of the University of Michigan, recalled finding herself staring up an ornate streetlight, convinced a hidden camera was snapping pictures of her. “ I know I’m getting paranoid,” she said. “But I also know there are a lot of cameras out there.”"

Oh shit! We found salisburyboy a girlfriend!

11/2/2005 11:53:57 AM

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/hanchette179.html

Quote :

"FORCED INOCULATIONS BEGINNING OF BUSH'S BAD BIRD FLU PLAN By John Hanchette OLEAN -- Last week's column warned of imminent federal legislation that would toss powerful pharmaceutical companies billions of dollars and complete protection from liability suits in case untested and experimental bird flu vaccines damage American recipients. It drew heavy response. The bill (S. 1873) -- a big congressional wet kiss to the drug industry -- is dressed up in a noble-sounding title: "Biodefense and Pandemic Vaccine and Drug Development Act." In essence, however, it would force Americans to receive inoculations against a disease that has yet to kill one of them, while removing their constitutional right to seek redress in our courts in case of injury or death from the shots because of company negligence. The proposal, now moving its way through the Senate, would also ban citizens from using the Freedom of Information Act and other popular informational laws to discover whether the new vaccine (when it is finally produced) was effective and safe, and even whether anyone had suffered adverse reactions to it."

The government forcing you to take shots and injections is good. Then giving the pharmaceutical companies complete immunity from liability for any potential harm for those shots is good. Fantastic. Then banning the use of the Freedom of Information Act to investigate the safety of the shots.

This is so wonderful. The government loves us.

11/2/2005 12:46:01 PM

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=43&ItemID=9048

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"Drifting towards a Police State by Mike Whitney November 04, 2005 “Those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid the terrorists for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies and pause to America's friends” --Former Attorney General, John Ashcroft Did you know that under the terms of the new Patriot Act prosecutors will be able to seek the death penalty in cases where “defendants gave financial support to umbrella organizations without realizing that some of its adherents might eventually commit violence”? (NY Times; editorial 10-30-05) So, if someone unknowingly gave money to a charity that was connected to a terrorist group, he could be executed. Or, that the Senate Intelligence Committee is fine-tuning the details of a bill that will allow the FBI to secretly procure any of your personal records without “probable cause” or a court order giving them “unchecked authority to pry into personal and business matters”? (New York Times, “Republicans seek to widen FBI Powers, 10-19-05) Or, that on June 29, President Bush put “a broad swath of the FBI” under his direct control by creating the National Security Service (aka; the “New SS”)? This is the first time we’ve had a “secret police” in our 200 year history. It will be run exclusively by the president and beyond the range of congressional oversight. Or, that on October 27, 2005 president Bush created the National Clandestine Service, which will be headed by CIA Director Porter Goss and will “expand reporting of information and intelligence value from state, local and tribal law enforcement entities and private sector stakeholders"? This executive order gives the CIA the power to carry out covert operations, spying, propaganda, and “dirty tricks” within the United States and on the American public. (“The New National Intelligence Strategy of the US” by Larry Chin, Global Research) Or, that Pentagon intelligence operatives are now permitted to collect information from US citizens without revealing their status as government spies? (“Bill would give Cover to Pentagon Spies”, Greg Miller, Times Staff writer, “The Nation”) Or, that within 2 years every American license and passport will be made according to federal uniform standards including microchips (with biometric information) that will allow the government to trace every movement of its citizens? Or, that recent rulings, the DC District Court unanimously decided in two different cases that foreign prisoners have no rights under international law to challenge their indefinite imprisonment by the United States and, (in Rumsfeld vs. Padilla) that the president can lock up an American citizen “without charges” if he believes he may be an “enemy combatant”? Both verdicts overturn the fundamental principles of “inalienable rights”, habeas corpus, and the presumption of innocence; replacing them with the arbitrary authority of the executive. The American people have no idea of the amount of energy that has been devoted to stripping them of their constitutional protections and how stealthily that plan has been carried out. It has required the concerted efforts of the political establishment, the corporate elite, and the collaborative media. For all practical purposes, the government is no longer constrained in its conduct towards its citizens; it can do as it pleases. The campaign to dismantle the Bill of Rights has focused primarily on the key amendments; the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th and 14th. These are the cornerstones of American liberty and they encompass everything from due process to equal protection to free speech to a ban on the “cruel and unusual” treatment of prisoners. Freedom has little tangible meaning apart from the safety provided by these amendments. At present, there’s no reason for the administration to assert its new powers. That would only dispel the widely-held illusion of personal freedom. But, the existing climate of “well being” will not last forever. The poisonous effects of war, tax cuts, burgeoning budget deficits, and inflation indicate that darker days lie ahead. The middle class is stretched paper-thin and disaster could be as close as a hike in interest rates. The new repressive legislation anticipates the massive political unrest that naturally follows a tenuous and volatile economic situation. Is this why Congress has rubber stamped so many of the administration’s autocratic laws, or does Bush simply “hate our freedoms”? The members of America’s ruling elite carefully follow the shifting of policy in Washington. They have the power to access the mainstream media and dispute the changes in the law that they oppose. Regrettably, there’s been no sign of protest from the bastions of the corporate, financial and political oligarchy; just an ominous silence. Does this mean that American Brahmins have abandoned their support for personal liberty and the rights of man? America is undergoing its greatest metamorphosis. It has been severed from its constitutional moorings and is drifting towards a police state. If Samuel Alito is appointed to the Supreme Court then Bush will be able to solidify his “unchecked” power as executive and 50 years of progressive legislation will be up for review. Everything from abortion to Miranda will be reconsidered through the hard-right lens of the new majority. Americans still seem blissfully unaware of the fundamental changes to the political system. The cloak of disinformation and diversion has successfully obscured the perils of our present course. Freedom is no longer guaranteed in Bush’s America nor is liberty everyman’s birthright. The rickety scaffolding that supports the rule of law has been replaced by the unbridled authority of the supreme presidency. The country is slipping inexorably towards the Orwellian nightmare; the National Security State."

11/4/2005 12:01:34 PM

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9939709/

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"FBI mines records of ordinary Americans Under Patriot Act, feds probe lives of residents not alleged to be terrorists By Barton Gellman The Washington Post Nov. 6, 2005 The FBI came calling in Windsor, Conn., this summer with a document marked for delivery by hand. On Matianuk Avenue, across from the tennis courts, two special agents found their man. They gave George Christian the letter, which warned him to tell no one, ever, what it said. Under the shield and stars of the FBI crest, the letter directed Christian to surrender "all subscriber information, billing information and access logs of any person" who used a specific computer at a library branch some distance away. Christian, who manages digital records for three dozen Connecticut libraries, said in an affidavit that he configures his system for privacy. But the vendors of the software he operates said their databases can reveal the Web sites that visitors browse, the e-mail accounts they open and the books they borrow."

11/7/2005 9:24:52 AM

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7625.shtml

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"White House keeps dossiers on more than 10,000 'political enemies' By DOUG THOMPSON Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue Nov 8, 2005, 06:40 Spurred by paranoia and aided by the USA Patriot Act, the Bush Administration has compiled dossiers on more than 10,000 Americans it considers political enemies and uses those files to wage war on those who disagree with its policies. The “enemies list” dates back to Bush’s days as governor of Texas and can be accessed by senior administration officials in an instant for use in campaigns to discredit those who speak out against administration policies or acts of the President. The computerized files include intimate personal details on members of Congress; high-ranking local, state and federal officials; prominent media figures and ordinary citizens who may, at one time or another, spoken out against the President or Administration. Capitol Hill Blue has spoken with a number of current and former administration officials who acknowledge existence of the enemies list only under a guarantee of confidentiality. Those who have seen the list say it is far more extensive than Richard Nixon’s famous “enemies list” of Watergate fame or Bill Clinton’s dossiers on political enemies."

But I thought the Patriot Act was being used to "fight the terrorists"...not to compile information on American citizens who speak out against the government or Administration.

[Edited on November 8, 2005 at 1:45 PM. Reason : 1]

11/8/2005 1:43:13 PM

http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/biometrics_pay_by_fingerprint_cincinati.htm

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"Welcome to the Control Grid Pay By Fingerprint In Cincinnati, OH & Major Grocery Chains Nationwide Infowars.com | November 7, 2005 When I issued my first "Americans Against Biometrics" press release in 2001, people called me crazy, a kook. When I depicted the wide-scale implimentation of biometric identification in everything from government to commerce in my film America Destroyed by Design, I was laughed at. When I refused to take a thumbscan when renewing my driver's license I was arrested and scorned. Now, only a few years later, everything that I predicted about the biometric track and control grid is now rapidly becoming a reality. It began with subtle messages in TV shows and commercials equating thumscanning and facial recognition technology as a patriotic right for citizens' security and convenience and now biometric ID programs are being implimented at major grocery store chains across the nation, encouraging people to enroll by offering additional savings if they eschew cash, check and even credit cards in favor of paying with their fingerprint. What began as a gradual push to get people accustomed to the idea of biometric IDs is quickly becoming a full-on assault to squeeze populations into the track and control grid."

11/8/2005 3:01:07 PM

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"It began with subtle messages in TV shows and commercials equating thumscanning and facial recognition technology as a patriotic right for citizens' security and convenience"

hahahaha whatever dude, seriously

11/8/2005 3:20:20 PM

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"still waiting.................................. 8/17/2005 9:27:45 AM"

11/8/2005 5:09:38 PM