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" Quote : "its motors in the wrong way. but it does have a center diff. *shrug*" aren't you the fuck head that spent an afternoon trying to do burnouts in your brand new awd r32? not only that, but you actually posted video's of it. did someone forget to tell you it was awd. everyone here needs to shut the fuck up & go buy a god damn clue. "

listen here Mr. "I Have like 7 air horns because my car sucks at anything but being obnoxious", I simply said a transverse motor isnt normally used w/ a center diff. Yet the Evo has a transverse motor AND a center diff. and then the shrug cuz its weird. dumbass.

go toot your horn and spin a wheel, cool guy

9/1/2006 11:58:33 PM

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"did someone forget to tell you it was awd."

yeah, because awd's can't do burnouts...

9/2/2006 3:10:49 AM

^ they cant do a full burn out, but they can def break all four loose

9/2/2006 9:00:12 AM

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"you are a fucking moron. every quattro a4 has the motor mounted longitudinally & uses a torsen base awd system. the r32 has a transverse mounted motor with front biased haldex awd system . they are completely different. if you don't know shit about cars, keep your fucking mouth shut."

how long has your dumbass been in vdub/audi scene and still dont know jack shit? every FWD or AWD audi a4 has engine mounted longitudinally. FWD passats have engines mounted longitudinally as well. Audi came up with the concept of FWD before anyone else. all their cars are based on this platform. torsen is just the type of center diff, it doesnt imply it's rwd biased. it still CANNOT send more than 50% to rear wheels, hence front biased. tell me sherlock where is transmission located in Audis and where in Subarus? i think only RS4s have revised quattro, which can send up to 60% to rear, so you could say it is rear biased, but not full 100% to rear wheels like subaru systems.

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"apparently your sidekick disagrees. hmm...everything you are saying is infact oposite of what the mitsu engineers said...:shurg: "

you know how they say...you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink. same applies for you. go drive your RWD evo.

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 10:26 AM. Reason : k]

9/2/2006 10:14:25 AM

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"Audi came up with the concept of FWD before anyone else."

I have to interject something here...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=first+FWD+car&btnG=Google+Search

9/2/2006 2:51:30 PM

I thought Citroen made the first production FWD car?

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 2:54 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2006 2:53:39 PM

^^not in general. just the concept of longitudinal engine on FWD. audi was the first.

9/2/2006 3:56:34 PM

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"you know how they say...you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make it drink. same applies for you. go drive your RWD evo."

oh now its RWD? hmm...maybe i should invent AWD and make a killing selling it to you n00bs.

9/2/2006 3:59:33 PM

webster.com

keyword: sarcasm

9/2/2006 4:12:12 PM

^^^

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"It used a longitudinal engine placement for its V8"

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2006 4:12:15 PM

show me audi doing longitudinal engine/fwd in 1966 or earlier.

9/2/2006 4:14:20 PM

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"webster.com keyword: sarcasm "

someone didn't look up the word before he posted.

9/2/2006 4:19:18 PM

^^ & ^^^

1931 ok?

http://www.audi.com/audi/com/en1/company/history/technical_highlights/front-wheel_drive.html

9/2/2006 4:28:49 PM

Oh there you fellars go again...

The EVO does suffer from some FWD characteristics like the compromise in weight distribution. And sure the engine is mounted like an FWD car but it out handles almost every car out there, including with out a doubt all FWD cars on the market. I agree it's got an FWD based AWD system, but 50% to the rear makes it a true AWD system as far as I'm concerned. On paper I prefer rear biased AWD systems (Porsche, BMW, Subaru), but in application EVO is one magnificent car, and it's quite natural, even near the limit. As far as driving dynamics go, I really think that's quite the special car. What stops me from buying one is the subjective feel of the car, it's lacking substence. I still like the car a lot, and want to either get one of those or unnaturally aspirate my M3.
Ahmet

9/2/2006 4:50:44 PM

18 and 40 hp "cars" dont really count in modern terms. if you want to get technical, there were fwd cars made long before that in similar configurations... but they had like 5hp. i gaurantee you that the modern fwd audi is more alike a 66 toronado than a 1931 anything.

9/2/2006 4:51:53 PM

^well you wanted before 1966. i can go dig out what they made in 30s, 40s or 50s.

9/2/2006 5:17:25 PM

^^^the whole point was that it's based on a fwd platform, and rsxtypequeer doesn't seem to understand that concept.

i agree they're damn impressive cars. perfect example of taking something that might not be the "ideal" design, and making it outperform most everything else out there. i dig stuff like that.

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2006 5:21:32 PM

hahahaha...stfu fags. you are bashing the car because its 'fwd based' and now you praise the car because its fwd based. LOL typical uneducated, uninformed redneck comment by the over compensating bigblue'queer'

a car that puts down 50% torque to the front and rear wheels 100% of the time is true AWD...thus the Evo is TRUE AWD...i don't fucking care if the base lancer is FWD....the fact of the matter is its AWD...not FWD with rear assist and not RWD with front assist.

look up the ACD (active center diff.) for you clowns that don't know...

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 5:43 PM. Reason : fda]

9/2/2006 5:40:51 PM

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"^well you wanted before 1966. i can go dig out what they made in 30s, 40s or 50s. "

youre right.

9/2/2006 5:42:23 PM

not only that, but they are ridiculously responsive to mods. vishnu or buschur has a package. exhuast, chip, and boost controller give easily around 315 awhp.

^i know you just stepped in for olds

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"hahahaha...stfu fags. you are bashing the car because its 'fwd based' and now you praise the car because its fwd based. LOL typical uneducated, uninformed redneck comment by the over compensating bigblue'queer'"

nobody is bashing the car. we just telling you what IS NOT.

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 5:45 PM. Reason : c]

9/2/2006 5:42:25 PM

yeah the evo is the hot japanese import right now. pull up in a lot on capital with an evo and a skylime and the evo gets all the attention.

9/2/2006 5:43:50 PM

lol...yeah if you are into 'ricer conventions'

9/2/2006 5:45:38 PM

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"nobody is bashing the car. we just telling you what IS NOT."

so its 'not' true AWD?

9/2/2006 5:46:29 PM

you are damn waste of time. bye.

9/2/2006 5:47:11 PM

que the 'omfgpwnt' that finds it's home on TWW

9/2/2006 5:47:47 PM

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"hahahaha...stfu fags. you are bashing the car because its 'fwd based' and now you praise the car because its fwd based. LOL typical uneducated, uninformed redneck comment by the over compensating bigblue'queer'"

please show me where i ever bashed it. all i did was put my two cents in on why it is a fwd based car since you're obviously to ignorant/dense to understand. i believe i even stated in one of my original posts on the subject that while it might be a superior car, that didn't change the fact that it's derived from a fwd car. that's not a bash, it's a simple truth.

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"so its 'not' true AWD?"

technically, no it's not. just like a stock 4wd truck isn't really 4wd (that's getting into splitting hairs though). mainly for the sake if this discussion what it's "not" is a car that was designed from the ground up as an awd (the whole point that sparked all this). again, not a bash... just a simple fact that seems to elude your comprehension.

9/2/2006 6:05:33 PM

so again...care to explain the locked 50/50 torque distribution by the ACD? which is unchanged 100% of the time during driving? The "Evolution" was built with AWD in mind...they didn't take a base lancer and snap their fingers and all of a sudden its AWD.

9/2/2006 10:16:12 PM

youre the difinitive ass clown. but you know that.


now go drive a car you didnt pay for off a cliff.

9/2/2006 11:43:13 PM

lol...cry to someone else that your credit sucks, internet g00n

9/3/2006 12:05:46 AM

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"a car that puts down 50% torque to the front and rear wheels 100% of the time is true AWD...thus the Evo is TRUE AWD...i don't fucking care if the base lancer is FWD....the fact of the matter is its AWD...not FWD with rear assist and not RWD with front assist."

prove it.

the torque split i remember was 100:0 and can go up to 50:50

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"The Mitsubishi, on the other hand, never sends the majority of engine torque to the rear axle. Instead, it can send all the engine torque to the front wheels or 50 percent of it (using an electrohydraulic clutch on the center diff). So the Evo varies the front-to-rear torque split between 100/0 and 50/50. In addition to the yaw-rate and throttle-position sensors, the Evo has a steering-wheel-angle sensor that also provides the computer with information. 0502_sidebar_subaru.jpgN"

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=9052&page_number=1



[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 12:23 PM. Reason : enjoy your day.]

9/3/2006 12:18:58 PM

any car/truck w/ an unlocked center diff won't be 50/50 100% of the time...

9/3/2006 12:23:15 PM

^ it is a fwd until you stomp it and chirp them.

9/3/2006 12:24:28 PM

cheezitz has a sweet e30 M3. he has a sweet webpage devoted to the M3.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~mjjackso/

9/3/2006 12:27:51 PM

^that is awesome. There were a couple E30 M3s at the NCACs. One guy had a stroked and bored euro 3.2l (now 3.6l) in it. it was quite rediculous. The other was bone stock and in mint condition. It was amazing.

9/3/2006 12:32:25 PM

wow that sounds pretty bad ass.

9/3/2006 12:35:50 PM

he went down to Vero Beach, FL early Sat. to attend an M3 meet (even though he didn't have his M3 with him; he had his 5-series instead). he'll probably return sometime early in next morning. he's hardcore about his BMW's, posts regularly on S14.net, and has done a lot of work on the E30. i got to drive it once, and besides the tight seat, it was pretty fun to drive, and had a good deal of oomph. i expect him to probably have some good pics when he returns. i'll point him to this thread when he gets back.

9/3/2006 12:40:33 PM

hahah n00b...thats an Evo VIII...like i said before, but since you guys missed it and don't read. this is an Evo IX

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/co...2001/13E_09.pdf

can't beleive i'm actully going through the trouble of posting 'links' and proof

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"D. How the Tarmac/Gravel/Snow switch influences the ACD Despite popular belief, this switch DOES NOT change the torque split. The differential is geared at 50:50 and cannot be changed by the push of a button. What this switch actually does is quite simple. Each setting determines how long the ACD will delay in freeing the center differential after a steering input is made. In addition, it will determine how much locking force the ACD will exhibit on the clutch pack and center differential. (10) (11) Tarmac is the setting to be used in dry, paved conditions. In this setting, the ACD will almost immediately allow the center differential to go into a free state upon detecting a steering input. Additionally, this mode provides the strongest limited-slip clamping force of the three modes. (7) (12) Gravel is the setting designed for wet or loose roads. In this setting, the ACD will delay in freeing the center differential for a moment (possibly 2-3 seconds). Of the three modes, this one has the second strongest clamping force. (7) (12) Snow is the setting designed for, you guessed it, snow. In this setting, the ACD will delay in freeing the center differential for much longer than the other two settings (possibly 4-5 seconds). Of the three modes, this one also provides the least amount of clamping power."

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 6:06 PM. Reason : fda]

9/3/2006 5:56:49 PM

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"^ it is a fwd until you stomp it and chirp them. "

that has to be the most uninformed response i've read in my life. you sir are disqualified from this discussion.

9/3/2006 6:12:09 PM

i just dumbed it down to the basics

so what you posted still doesn't tell me shit other than you can change the center diff settings
it never says its 50:50 24/7
and quoting jspec shit doesn't count i could post info on a sti spec c all day long but who cares they aren't legal here.

ohh btw... an sti can put damn near 100% to the rear

http://media.putfile.com/STI-Burn-Out

and no this car doesn't have some lame drift mod. just pushed the slider to the back
granted i'm sure the center diff doesn't like it... its possible



[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 6:57 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2006 6:51:08 PM

lol n00b...thats not JDM spec....JDM spec is having both an ACD and a AYC but we in the US only have an ACD because the location of the AYC is where emissions housing goes in the US.

also the STi doesn't put 'damn near 100%' to the rear wheels and i know that for a fact not only because i've owned an STi but because i've done my research on it.

i've read plenty of articles on the constant distribution of 50/50 torque. This is never changed only when you pull the ebrake does it fully open the ACD so that you don't break it. And as i already posted. switching between modes (tarmac, gravel, and snow) never does change the torque distribution. Unlike the STi's DCCD which you can either lock it at 50/50, set it to auto distribution, or adjust more power to the rear (but it is not possible for 100%) as you so ignorantly stated

lol...wait a sec. did you just sum up all your info on the STi from a video clip??? LOL sumfoo indeed.

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"so what you posted still doesn't tell me shit other than you can change the center diff settings "

did you not read anything? i said you cannot change the center diffs distribution

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 7:11 PM. Reason : fda]

9/3/2006 7:09:36 PM

ok, enough tainting of the M3 thread w/ this hackaru shit.

9/3/2006 7:30:53 PM

agreed....M3 is a great car and deserves better....if anyone cares enough to continue this retarded argument about AWD...start your own damn thread.

9/3/2006 7:34:04 PM

Goddamn, the Sport Evo model shown on cheezitz's page is beautiful. Never even heard of those, not that I read that much about Euro spec M3s. I've always loved E30 M3's though, and this thread has only increased the addiction. Damn you all

9/4/2006 7:15:35 AM

m20 ftw

9/4/2006 11:21:54 AM

m42 >m20*2

9/4/2006 7:01:28 PM

whats the older 3 series code? e21?

9/4/2006 7:11:11 PM

e21/e30/e36/e46

9/4/2006 8:23:31 PM

yeah a buddy used to have a e21 that he paid 300 bucks for and he drove it everywhere. the exhaust fell off it once, another time one of the front calipers fell off while he was driving, it kept going and going.

9/4/2006 9:25:03 PM

i had a front caliper fall off on my way to work one morning. goddamn that sucked.

9/5/2006 12:42:41 AM

real safe

9/5/2006 2:02:12 AM