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10/14/2007 7:02:17 PM

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"notice the coil spring dropped out of the bucket by like 6 inches."

i understand some considerable loss in traction, but with the rear locked and the opposite wheel on the ground it would still be better than the alternative (totally restrained spring or using a limiting strap) would it not?

10/14/2007 7:06:41 PM

eh, there's two schools of thought there. some say let it flex as much as it will, etc... the more flex the better.

there is the other school (which i'm a fan of) is to limit suspension travel. there's a few reasons:

1. once that spring becomes unseated, that tire isn't doing anything. sure, you've got the unsprung weight of the tire/wheel, but it's really doing nothing. you've lost any down pressure the suspension offers.

2. suspension geometry becomes terrible. if you're flexed on a climb like that picture shows, it's just going to bounce BAD from the anti squat. not only will you not get up, parts start breaking. you also get bad axle steer, which is not only annoying for holding a line but causes broken u joints/suspension joints, torn bushings, etc.

3. front/rear balance. while one end is working it's ass off, the other isn't doing anything. limiting downtravel (and uptravel) can help force the other end to work, giving an overall more balanced rig.

4. sidehilling. if you're flopping the body over like that on every little rock, you're taking a lot of weight off that side. keeping the body more centered give both wheels better traction. roll center plays a big part here too.

5. unloading. when a suspension unloads in off camber or uphill/downhill situations, bad things happen. usually a flop or roll. limiting straps help control that. hell, many people use small winches just to cinch down the front or rear suspension even more for climbs/descents.

you'll find that 99% of people who REALLY 4 wheel, all the comp rigs, etc. limit their travel. you have to find a happy medium. flex has become terribely over rated by the mall crawler crowd.

downtravel is also better than uptravel. not only does it help you keep the vehicle lower, you're forcing the opposite side tire onto the surface (more traction) vs. just pushing the other side up.

this is why i keep telling you to quit hacking away every inch of your fenders and lower your bumpstops. the rear of your truck flexes more than enough.

i went through the same thing with my ram, and experimented a lot. the rear flexed its ass off once i did a shackle flip, but the front never would work that well. finally, i wised up and put straps on it. i was rewarded with a much more stable and capable truck. it still had the shortcomings of a leaf sprung suspension and it had terrible weight bias, but it was much much better.

do some searching/reading over in the general tech section of pirate4x4. you can read for hours on this exact subject.

even if you're of the opinion more flex is always better, that truck is still a poor example of it. it needs taller springs with either a lower or progressive rate and different links.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 7:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/14/2007 7:30:30 PM

good info

Quote :

"even if you're of the opinion more flex is always better, that truck is still a poor example of it. it needs taller springs with either a lower or progressive rate and different links."

I should point out that I am 90% sure that d90 had limiting straps on it, but they were disconnected for the RTI ramp.

[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 7:35 PM. Reason : edit]

10/14/2007 7:35:05 PM

10/14/2007 7:46:17 PM

ha, i recognize that truck. that dude is a retarded quack. wtf is he "rescuing" anyway? he lives in ohio. lots of wilderness there...

10/14/2007 8:08:38 PM

thats kevin wiley from ontario i beleive. first class prick is what i have been told, also heard he writes a column for the NA edition of land rover monthly magazine.

BUT his truck is bare metal.

10/14/2007 8:18:35 PM

http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=611569
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=614685

10/14/2007 9:06:49 PM

yeah, thats the queer

he tried and tried to get Draken/Lucky8 to sponsor him with an Equipe suspension for SEMA, only to write them back in an email and call their stuff junk. Then they find out he is only going to be in the parking lot @ SEMA- then it comes out he isnt even going. He didnt have the balls to show up at MAR this year.

10/14/2007 9:30:43 PM

hey transformer were you at carquest in cary the other day

10/14/2007 10:07:40 PM

yeah that was me, too bad i didnt see you i would have knocked you down and beat your ass in the parking lot.

10/14/2007 10:14:14 PM

Ha HA Damn looks like someone beat ya to it



[Edited on October 14, 2007 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ,]

10/14/2007 10:15:51 PM

AHAHA

10/14/2007 10:17:17 PM

i wasnt driving and didnt think anything of it untill i was at circus. buy the time i came back totalk to hairy you were gone

10/15/2007 10:04:14 AM

what?

10/15/2007 12:48:12 PM

spelling was way off. i didnt drive..... after eating at the shit hole circus drive thru. i came back to talk to my old service writter when we both worked at goodyear. he works at that carquest. you were not he (joel) whas not there anymore

10/15/2007 5:14:30 PM

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"you were not he"

correct. me is not he.

10/15/2007 8:15:38 PM

he= there. i deleted to far

10/16/2007 12:04:53 AM

Damn Willis, sometimes you're to easy to pick on. But, I'm still on your side.

10/16/2007 2:08:07 AM

Quote :

"he= there"

yes he was there. but not me.

10/16/2007 11:58:28 AM

mmmm 30mm bodylift. now the new 33s look small

10/17/2007 11:06:42 PM

^ pics or it didn't happen.

I only respect rovers because of this thread.

With possible exception of that tricked out Rover with the preppy prick at the wheel that's always over by Wade Ave.

10/18/2007 10:34:57 PM

what does it look like?

10/18/2007 11:54:55 PM

i have no idea but i'll be i can guess. lift, roof rack, brush guard, bfg tires, hella lights...

amirite?

[Edited on October 19, 2007 at 12:08 AM. Reason : stickerzzz too?]

10/19/2007 12:08:14 AM

I bet it is NOT a fox body

10/19/2007 12:12:19 AM

true but at least he and i have a car.

10/19/2007 4:15:03 PM

I have had alot of cars and bikes prolly more then you just not at the moment. But thats ok I am not worried my No DL time is about up

[Edited on October 19, 2007 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

10/19/2007 4:18:06 PM

fine fine ill get pics. 30mm isnt much btw, not quite an inch and a quarter- but now that i am finally sorted out on properly fitting the 33s i only need another inch to fit 35s. well, that and $650 front CVzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

10/19/2007 7:15:20 PM

screw that, fj80 swap. all the cool rover kids are doing it.

10/19/2007 8:36:04 PM

i know right, but its thats too much $.

10/19/2007 8:50:55 PM

OK did some calculations, looks like 10.6 to 12.7 MPG. Driving at least 200mi weekly is draining me. Im spending $200-300 monthly on gas.

11/10/2007 3:00:55 PM

Yeah, that shit happened to me when I lived in Wilmington. Thats why I got a Saturn. I was tired of working half a week each month just to pay to go to work.

11/11/2007 4:55:05 PM

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=17201

11/23/2007 4:53:20 PM

Jeeps > Land Rovers

11/24/2007 11:48:10 AM

Both have problems but Rovers look cooler

11/24/2007 12:23:51 PM

Toyota>Jeep>Land Rover

11/24/2007 7:56:09 PM

we're down to personal preferences here people

11/24/2007 11:44:19 PM

^^winnAr... actually i might take a rover over a jeep though.

[Edited on November 25, 2007 at 1:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2007 1:13:36 PM

1st gen Troopers FTW fools

11/25/2007 1:59:43 PM

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"^^winnAr... actually i might take a rover over a jeep though. "

blasphemy!

11/25/2007 2:13:39 PM

lol. depends on what rover and jeep...

11/25/2007 2:30:13 PM

the '03 discovery is for sale only $11k !!!




picking up a '00 disco tomorrow from pistolp500

12/9/2007 12:48:48 PM

2/11/2008 11:28:29 PM

dont let saltwater sit on the frame, its british.

2/17/2008 1:13:18 AM

looked like this a week ago

2/17/2008 1:15:25 AM

^^oh, so it might rust out in 5 years instead of 6? at least the body will be good.

i just about had it sittin on the frame at one point... i was going to have a hard time digging it out with crutches.

2/17/2008 1:49:18 AM

usually first thing to hit is the parking brake drum perscription strenth sand ladders FTW

2/17/2008 2:27:39 AM

For Sale, dual sunroofs, seven seater, new tires, headliner, winshield, upper radiator hose, idler pulley, just serviced, 124k. $7500.

[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 7:36 PM. Reason : k]

[Edited on February 18, 2008 at 7:38 PM. Reason : k]

2/18/2008 7:31:12 PM

^hey, i know where that's at.

2/18/2008 7:38:30 PM

well come by and visit sometime.

2/18/2008 7:39:57 PM