i'm sure he's glad to have your endorsement

4/7/2007 5:49:40 PM

words + x > x

where x --> "fucking retarded"

4/7/2007 5:51:50 PM

even if words + x = "This is sofaking retarded it's not even funny."

4/7/2007 5:52:48 PM

honestly, i wish there was a thread like "Saddam is out of power...what to do next" that was 11 pages

4/7/2007 5:54:40 PM

Quote :

"43% say Iraq is better than with Saddam in power while 36% say its worse...the people of Iraq have spoken"

4/7/2007 7:03:08 PM

what are the other 21 percent? people that still think its a shithole?

4/7/2007 7:05:57 PM

basically...people who think its "About the Same"

4/7/2007 7:09:26 PM

I won this thread.

4/7/2007 8:33:09 PM

Not even the people who agree that Iraq was better off with Saddam in power think you won the thread

4/7/2007 8:36:52 PM

I guess thats cool, the Iraqis are better off, at the expense that the US is worse off, and less able to defend itself

http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/dpc-new.cfm?doc_name=fs-110-1-54

You must love the Arabs more than us. Sick, just sick.

4/7/2007 8:50:33 PM

wow democrats.senate.gov

sounds pretty unbiased

4/7/2007 8:57:10 PM

Quote :

"I guess thats cool, the Iraqis are better off, at the expense that the US is worse off, and less able to defend itself"

haha good point

4/7/2007 8:58:09 PM

Quote :

"wow democrats.senate.gov sounds pretty unbiased"

Worse case, they cherry picked facts to make their point.

Your problem is...they cherry picked soo many facts (basically all of them), that anyone that doesn't like the message basically can't refute it. The best they can do is whine about bias.

You lost again!!!

4/7/2007 8:59:31 PM

i guess they dont care that 43% of iraqis think they're better off now while 36% (a smaller percentage than 43%) think they're worse off

4/7/2007 9:01:08 PM

57% of Iraqis cant say Iraq is better today than it was under Saddaam

4/7/2007 9:02:50 PM

64% cant say its worse

4/7/2007 9:03:48 PM

Quote :

"Now, I think things have gotten so bad inside Iraq, from the standpoint of the Iraqi people, my belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators."

Quote :

""Think of the faces in Afghanistan when the people were liberated, when they moved out in the streets and they started singing and flying kites and women went to school and people were able to function and other countries were able to start interacting with them. That's what would happen in Iraq.""

Quote :

"I think the Iraqi people would welcome freedom with jubilation."

43% is quite a validation of the above

4/7/2007 9:11:01 PM

43% > 36%

4/7/2007 9:13:05 PM

i kinda add that 21 percent to the 36

i figure if its the same as when saddam was there then thats not really a good thing

4/7/2007 9:13:49 PM

dont be like salisburyboy

[Edited on April 7, 2007 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ^^]

4/7/2007 9:14:06 PM

^how is what i did any different than what you just did?

4/7/2007 9:18:43 PM

oh you mean where i posted quotes from the administration and said that even a number as "high" as 43% proved them to be incredibly wrong and then you posted the same number again? is that what you mean?

4/7/2007 9:22:49 PM

no i mean when you said "57% of Iraqis cant say Iraq is better today than it was under Saddaam"

when we both used the same statistics to make different points?

4/7/2007 9:27:03 PM

Everyone except DonkTwista won this thread.

4/7/2007 11:05:43 PM

wtf is 'donk'

4/7/2007 11:11:35 PM

donk = you lost this thread, everyone else won

4/8/2007 12:23:56 AM

but seriously, all bullshitting aside

what does the word 'donk' mean? all i know it as is a slang for a ghetto butt?

seriously...not trolling...just asking what exactly you meant by that word

4/8/2007 3:30:15 AM

Quote :

"donk = you lost this thread, everyone else won"

4/8/2007 11:46:26 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/16/iraq.main/index.html

Quote :

"Twin car bombs explode within minutes of each other in Baghdad, killing 18"

Man, things just keep getting better every day.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/16/sadr.maliki/index.html

And this guy must be a terrorist...you know...for wanting invading infidels out of his country.

4/16/2007 12:04:03 PM

really? funny, i thought THIS was why he was a terrorist

Quote :

"His relationships with other Shi‘a clerics are tense and occasionally violent. Some of his followers are rumored to be responsible for the 10 April 2003 assassination of Imam Abdul Majid al-Khoei. This is accounted for by the fact that the perpetrators pulled Abdul Majid al-Khoei and his aide's bodies with ropes across some alleys near the Shrine of Imam Ali in Najaf and shouted slogans claiming vengeance for the assassination of al-Sadr. The al-Khoei Family, however, do not hold Muqtada al-Sadr responsible and have blamed Ba'athists for the killing. There was a dispute over the keys to the Imam Ali Mosque in Najaf. The mosque contains the tomb of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad and, according to Shi‘a belief, heir to the Prophet's legacy. It is among the most sacred Shi‘a sites, and also the source of a considerable amount of revenue. The traditional hereditary holder of the keys, Haidar Raifee fled for fear of his life after the fall of Saddam's regime. Mr. Raifee was widely known to be an agent of Saddam's Ba'ath party who had informed on countless Shi‘a opponents of Saddam's regime. Many of these activists and their families were allegedly tortured and killed by Saddam's Mukhabarat, or secret police. Al-Khoei, with the backing and protection of the U.S. and British armed forces felt that he was in a position to broker a reconciliation between the Shi‘a masses represented by Muqtada al-Sadr and the hereditary custodian of the Shrine (or Kiliadar), Haidar Raifee. Al-Khoei escorted Haidar Raifee from hiding back to his post at the mosque. Al-Khoei's support for Haidar Raifee would be considered an extreme provocation by the Shi‘a public in the city. Having lived 12 years in exile in Britain and having met with Tony Blair and Jack Straw, Al-Khoei had been handpicked by the Americans and British to become a prominent leader in the Shi‘a community in Iraq. Al-Khoei was thus accused by many of being a puppet for American interests. His support for the Baathist Raifee was used as a pretext for his murder by the Shi‘a mob. According to witnesses, at the mosque they were confronted by an angry mob, some of whom shouted "Raifee is back". They called him an "animal" and threatened to beat him with their sandals (a traditional Iraqi insult).[5] According to reports, Al-Khoei fired his pistol in the air to get the crowd to back off. However, rather than retreating, the angry crowd surged at them. The mob killed Raifee with bayonets and knives; al-Khoei was chased down and killed in an alley near the nearby headquarters of al-Sadr. Al-Sadr claims the murderers were not his followers and that he in fact sent men to save al-Khoei from the murderers. The al-Sadr family sent and published official condolences to the al-Khoei family. The initial warrant against al-Sadr produced after U.S. forces decided to shut down his newspaper, Al-Hawza, alleged that members of the mob claimed to be there on al-Sadr's orders, and that he had instructed them not to kill al-Khoei inside the mosque. Al-Khoei's close followers did not blame al-Sadr for the murder, but instead publicly blamed former Baath party members who also hated al-Khoei (in complete contradiction of his kindness to Raifee). The charges against al-Sadr had been kept under seal until his confrontation with US-led coalition forces, leading some to speculate that they were a politically motivated pretext to remove Muqtada al-Sadr from the national scene. "

4/16/2007 12:08:24 PM

I'm not reading all that. The reason he is a terrorist is for wanting us out of there since we aren't doing shit to get their country righted. Durr.

4/16/2007 12:12:04 PM

yeah dont read anything on Muqtada al-Sadr

btw who cares that his dad and two of his brothers were killed by saddam...im sure he loves saddam's iraq

4/16/2007 12:22:15 PM

^^^ haha, are you an idiot?

i don't like sadr either, but how is what you posted damning of sadr at all? the murdered imam's family publicly accuses the baathists of killing him, not sadr!

and although barbaric, you can't really blame the mob for acting the way they did:

Quote :

"Mr. Raifee was widely known to be an agent of Saddam's Ba'ath party who had informed on countless Shi‘a opponents of Saddam's regime. Many of these activists and their families were allegedly tortured and killed by Saddam's Mukhabarat, or secret police."

jesus dude, you have outdone yourself.

4/16/2007 12:28:09 PM

I'd be more interested to see you spin this in a different direction rather than determining what it is exactly that makes him a terrorist.

4/16/2007 12:28:19 PM

Quote :

"btw who cares that his dad and two of his brothers were killed by saddam...im sure he loves saddam's iraq"

you were saying?

4/16/2007 12:29:40 PM

It's gotta be better right

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_5694330?source=rss

and getting better

Quote :

"Baghdad - Four large bombs exploded in mostly Shiite areas of Baghdad today, killing at least 178 people and wounding scores - the deadliest day in the city since the start of the U.S.-Iraqi campaign to pacify the capital two months ago."

THE SURGE IS WORKING!!!!


Oh shit, there were WMDs after all, look, they found em

Quote :

"Separately, U.S. officials announced that last week they found 3,000 gallons of nitric acid hidden in a warehouse in downtown Baghdad. U.S. forces discovered the acid, a key fertilizer component that can also be used in explosives, during a routine search Thursday, the military said."

Get this, a key fertilizer component (wait, don't pay attention to that part) THAT CAN ALSO BE USED IN EXPLOSIVES.

See, they found them. They found em. This war is justified!!!!

[Edited on April 18, 2007 at 4:15 PM. Reason : a]

4/18/2007 4:08:43 PM

cnn is up to their spin job again, what, with posting about the improving conditions over there and all

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/19/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_world

Quote :

"New Baghdad suicide blast kills at least 12 • U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates arrives in Iraq • Commander arrested after Wednesday attacks kill 198, wound about 240 • Video claims to show executions of 20 Iraqi security forces"

4/19/2007 12:12:58 PM

did anyone see that war special on pbs(?) Tuesday night? It was damn good.

4/19/2007 12:14:47 PM

wow... freedom from persection of religions in the new liberated iraq!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6581827.stm

Quote :

"Iraq gunmen target minority group Unidentified gunmen have killed 23 people in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, police said. All the victims were said to be members of the Yazidi religious minority which follows a pre-Islamic religion and worships an angel figure. Police said the victims had been dragged from a bus and shot dead. Followers of other faiths were reportedly left unharmed by the gunmen. Earlier, two car bombs killed at least 12 people at a Baghdad police station. Most of the victims in the capital's mainly Shia al-Bayaa area were civilians, police said. About 90 people were injured. Police say the Yazidis were workers at a textile factory in Mosul. Their bus was ambushed as they were travelling home to the nearby town of Bashika. Police said the gunmen ordered followers of other faiths to leave the bus, before killing the Yazidi members in a field by the road. "

4/22/2007 5:53:24 PM

I try not to link C&L too much because they tend to exhibit the worst parts of liberal ideology some times, but in this case, I think they are spot on since it is just a compilation of news stories, etc.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/23/boehners-time-is-up-on-the-surge/

4/23/2007 1:57:05 PM

That surge must be working well!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/23/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_world

Quote :

"NEW: A suicide car bomb struck a restaurant, killing 20, wounding 35 • Another suicide car bomb targeting police vehicles kills six officers • Bomber detonates explosives vest inside restaurant near Green Zone • Iraqi PM orders halt to construction of wall around Sunni neighborhood"

4/23/2007 2:27:22 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/04/24/iraq.main/index.html?eref=rss_world

Quote :

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraqi politicians -- frustrated by violence throughout the country and the glacial pace of parliamentary lawmaking -- say the nearly one-year-old government is failing."

It's sad, but is there anything we can honestly do short of going in there with overwhelming force and installing a Marshall Plan? Would that be a bad option at this point?

4/25/2007 12:07:35 PM

"we're makin' progress"

4/25/2007 12:09:41 PM

Spending Bill has been approved by the House. 218-208. It now goes on to the Senate.

4/25/2007 9:59:38 PM

If things are going great and/or improving, there should be no need to hide things, right?

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSPAR34073020070425

UN raps Iraq for withholding 'grim' civilian toll

Quote :

"BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The United Nations accused Iraq on Wednesday of withholding sensitive civilian casualty figures because the government fears the data would be used to paint a "very grim" picture of a worsening humanitarian crisis. The criticism was contained in a new U.N. human rights report on Iraq which drew fire from U.S. officials in Baghdad and the Iraqi government. They said it was flawed and contained numerous inaccuracies. The United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq (UNAMI) said Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government would not release data on civilian deaths amid spiraling sectarian violence between majority Shi'ites and once dominant Sunni Arabs. . . . ."

4/29/2007 8:58:34 PM

Oh what it could have become had successive shitheads not taken control of the country

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87867/vintage-video-of-iraq-in-the-1950s-shows-how-beautiful-the-country-could-have-been

4/18/2014 2:35:19 PM

^ that pretty much sums up the 20th century. There are many, many 3rd world countries that thrived more in the 50s and 60s than they do today.

4/18/2014 2:47:13 PM

Lol I just went and read a few pages of this thread just for kicks. Hilarious.

4/18/2014 2:49:49 PM