akamai's downloader is wierd as hell. My download speeds are jumping around between 600KB/s and 2.5MB/s. It did this with the beta too :-P

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 9:44 AM. Reason : a]

5/5/2009 9:44:27 AM

heh, d/l complete in about 5 minutes

5/5/2009 9:53:15 AM

damn, wish i had those speeds here. i'm lucky to get .5mb down

5/5/2009 9:59:49 AM

sadly its just my work connection.

5/5/2009 10:09:04 AM

holy fuck. we pay $1200 a month for RR business and are suppose to "get" 10Mb down..we get half that at best

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 10:11 AM. Reason : how much is that ^ ? lol]

5/5/2009 10:11:00 AM

Not sure. I think its like $1500/mo or less.

its 10 burstable to 100.

5/5/2009 10:14:53 AM

word. i'm trying to find another solution that is comparable in cost that even comes close to what we have but i've had no luck so far. T1's in the area for some reason are way higher than anywhere else I've seen.

5/5/2009 10:19:19 AM

The trade off for T1s is that they're generally managed and are more reliable than time warner. I live in maine and time warner (last i knew) only has 2 routes out of the state. When we had some flooding, one of their COs was underwater and the other caught fire and we lost internet for about half a day. Just the other day we had another (brief) outage cause one of their network techs unplugged the wrong cable in one of their COs.

Now while twc may fuck up by accident, verizon is a fucking nightmare. Its taken them 3 months now to get us 10 local T1s. They dropped a fucking OC12 in our datacenter a few years ago and we're using 2 DS3s on it right now. They cant find capacity inside their network. On top of that it costs $texas. Seriously. Fuck those guys. They're all morons.

We used to have a pair of data t1s from at&t that cost us the same as the twc fiber. Right now we're looking to find a secondary carrier for backup purposes and we're looking at a few local companies. TWC is also willing to run us more fiber down a different route. But ultimately trying to get redundancy in maine is a crapshoot since it all ends up going out the same place.

5/5/2009 10:25:59 AM

the 32-bit in case anyone uses it:

7100.0.090421-1700_x86fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culfrer_en_dvd.iso

CRC32: E8A1C394
MD5: 8867C13330F56A93944BCD46DCD73590
SHA-1: 7D1F486CA569EFFFFB719CFB48355BB7BF499712

5/5/2009 11:37:23 AM

Yeah it's nice having some upload bandwidth too. TW charges are ridiculous for any real bandwidth on that side. A T1 down in SC costs us around $500/month while one up here in NC is 2-3x that..and we have a lot more ppl up here so we need somewhere in the 3-5Mb at least range so it'd end up being $1500/month..and we'd have to buy some equipment.

oh well. i guess i need to look into what you've got with the 50Mb burstable bandwidth..

5/5/2009 11:59:35 AM

note that its still best effort. I just posted the one from one of the testing sites on speedtest.net i know happens to be really fast. I've seen this connection do near the 100 burst, and below the standard 10 meg. So it really depends on where you're going. For us the bandwidth requirement is for tunnels down to our datacenters for RDP traffic. The fact that I can download stuff from MS at 4MB/s is a nice sideeffect but not the primary reason for the connection.

I would definitely trade some of the bandwidth for improved latency though. We're going to start trying to replace some of these retarded Verizon t1s with SIP through other carriers and latency is way more important then bandwidth in that case.

5/5/2009 12:10:48 PM

wup, Win7 failed to find drivers for my networked Printer. Vista and MacOS both found them no problem.

btw, i had some screw up. I was running my bootcamp'ed Win7 partition in VMware in Macosx and i plugged in my NTFS formatted external HD. I have Paragon NTFS to enable NTSF read/write in Macos. It works perfectly.

But when i plugged in the drive, it didnt mount in OSX or windows (in vmware) which is unusual. So i powered down the VM thinking it was confusing things. But it still wouldnt mount in OSX. I rebooted to full boot camp'ed Win7 and it was fine, but OSX got screwed up. I ended up havng to reintall the Paragon NTFS driver to get it to work again. I lost a few files as well and got a couple strange folders and files floating around. I don't know if the HD is going bad or some driver conflict screwed things up. I guess thats unrelated but strange. I do this all the time with my WinXP VM machine and have never had a hiccup.

5/5/2009 12:42:52 PM

Get rid of the osx partition and just use windows 7. problem solved.

5/5/2009 12:45:34 PM

ha, i've actually already gone running back to macland after about six hours win Win7. its not so much Win7's fault, its pretty nice, but Mac is just so much more homey. :-D

Mac is clean and streamlined and i'm fast with all my keyboard shortcuts.

Windows is clunky and cluttered and confusing and i'm slow clicking around, etc.

I'll go back to it again when i'm not trying to get work done to get more used to it.

5/5/2009 12:48:08 PM

Quote :

"Windows OSX is clunky and cluttered and confusing and i'm slow clicking around, etc."

Seriously, the UI bothers me, but to each their own. And fwiw, I'm not saying Windows is perfect, just I am more familiar using it.

5/5/2009 12:56:34 PM

hah. I always say the same thing going from windows to mac. It drives me up the wall how useless home end and delete are in osx. I use them all the time in windows :-P

5/5/2009 12:56:45 PM

I guess. Open a Finder window and open an Explorer window. Finder is clean, yet powerful. Inspector is very powerful, Quicklook is powerful (can even preview Word docs which Win7's preview can't). Explorer has a lot of strange buttons that aren't intuitive to me.

And don't get me started on IE8. What a clusterfuck that is. I feel like my Mom at a computer. Just like overwhelmed with odd buttons and random toolbars and texts. Firefox 3 w/ small buttons is muuuuuuch nicer.

I guess with the Mac i feel more inclined to use keyboard shortcuts because the visual interface is so simple. But this makes it easier to quickly read and understand whats going on, but it probably takes a bit to get used to all teh shortcuts.

With Windows, it seems like most of what can be done is laid out on a button or text somewhere. So you can do itall by clicking around, but its messy and can be overwhelming.

I do like Win7's Superbar though. It copied the Dock and improved upon it with the previewing. Some of its pinning behavior is strange though. Like you can't just straight pin a folder to it. I do like Mac's stacks for folders on the dock

5/5/2009 1:09:36 PM

finder is the worst thing ever made. No address bar, shitty list view, delete does not delete files, etc... its terrible. Explorer is waaaay better.

The problem with ie8's ui (and ie7) is that they decided to copy the shitfest UI from firefox. Ie6 had a super clean ui. It drives me nuts that i can get rid of certain toolbars or buttons.

5/5/2009 1:13:06 PM

Quote :

"Like you can't just straight pin a folder to it."

This bugs the shit out of me and I cannot stand the Library folder mess.

5/5/2009 1:14:35 PM

Windows 7 DOES preview, but maybe not in the way you thought?

And I agree, cannot stand Finder, I don't know how people deal with it. Explorer has enough customization options that I feel like I can get it set to what I want to see to quickly find what I need.

5/5/2009 1:21:42 PM

yea thats the thing. If you dont like the defaults in windows, chances are you can change them to something you like. If you dont like the defaults in osx you're fucked.

5/5/2009 1:40:01 PM

in OS <=10.4, Finder was incredibly underpowered, so I used PathFinder as a replacement http://www.cocoatech.com/
but the 10.5 Finder is much improved and I use it exclusively now. It's not perfect, especially in the default configuration, but there are several options available to make it much better. I'm with Dan on this one - when i open up Windows Explorer now in Vista or 7, i feel like I'm drowning in a sea of incomprehensible buttons, bars, menus, and icons

5/5/2009 1:41:13 PM

Quote :

"drowning in a sea of incomprehensible buttons, bars, menus, and icons"

Yea, and I actually prefer this ... but then, I also manage to use *nix professionally too. I don't like restrictions for restriction's sake.

Which reminds me of a long-running joke (please pardon me, but it just applies so well), "If Operating Systems were Airlines":

http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm

Quote :

"OSX Air: You enter a white terminal, and all you can see is a woman sitting in the corner behind a white desk, you walk up to get your ticket. She smiles and says "Welcome to OS X Air, please allow us to take your picture", at which point a camera in the wall you didn't notice before takes your picture. "Thank you, here is your ticket" You are handed a minimalistic ticket with your picture at the top, it already has all of your information. A door opens to your right and you walk through. You enter a wide open space with one seat in the middle, you sit, listen to music and watch movies until the end of the flight. You never see any of the other passengers. You land, get off, and you say to yourself "wow, that was really nice, but I feel like something was missing"?"

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM. Reason : shortened it, click link for others]

5/5/2009 2:33:31 PM

Apple users are so involved in their own bubble, half their complaints about Windows are due to them not knowing how to do it, or not knowing the feature existed. It's just blind ignorance so they can live in a world of what they think is bliss like the matrix.

5/5/2009 4:12:52 PM

Now downloading!

@ a paltry 260k/s

5/5/2009 4:58:44 PM

^^well.. i've been using Windows regularly from our family's 486DX2 days until last summer. I still use WinXP almost daily for development. I've also been off and on tinkering with linux for the past 12 years. I know how to work computers. I'm just to the point where i dont give two shits about dicking around with operating systems. I want them to work as unobtrusively as possible and just let me get the stuff done i'm trying to do.

Until the superbar and the Win7 peak stuff came along, the mac dock and window management was farrrrrrrrrrrr superior to windows. 99% of the time, this is what my OS does for me. Manages my applications and windows. With my left thumb on CMD and my right hand on the mouse w/ that thumb on the expose thumb button, i'm a mean window/app/tab switching machine. lol

5/5/2009 7:04:28 PM

^as an entertainment/home OS, I completely agree with you. OSX is a much more soothing, laid back experience.

As a daily production environment, OSX is infuriating. It's so insanely tedious compared to Windows (xp, vista, or 7), for the software I use (Photoshop, XCode, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Office). Maybe it's just my own ingrained work style, but even after totally customizing my key bindings, shortcuts and UI, I am still a solid 20%+ more efficient in Windows.

5/5/2009 7:17:18 PM

yea i wasn't necessarily directing it at you dannydigtl, it's just in the last week alone i've had 3-4 people complain about windows, and after hearing their complaints it was stuff that windows did already but they just didn't know how to do it.

i think what you're getting at is BY DEFAULT, they should be less obtrusive and easy to use, because Windows is just as customizable as you want it to be.

5/5/2009 7:22:52 PM

Quote :

"Apple users are so involved in their own bubble, half their complaints about Windows are due to them not knowing how to do it, or not knowing the feature existed. It's just blind ignorance so they can live in a world of what they think is bliss like the matrix. "

you do know that many, if not most Mac users use Windows at work, or grew up on Windows, or have used Windows for years before getting fed up with it recently and switching to Mac, right? Sure, there are some Mac people who have been in Mac forever and have jaded views, but most of us have plenty of experience, past and present, with Windows

Quote :

"after hearing their complaints it was stuff that windows did already but they just didn't know how to do it. i think what you're getting at is BY DEFAULT, they should be less obtrusive and easy to use, because Windows is just as customizable as you want it to be."

the exact same thing can be said about Windows people using Macs and complaining about it.
Not as many options are customizable, but a lot of it is to take care of a lot of knee-jerk complaints.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

Quote :

"As a daily production environment, OSX is infuriating"

to be honest, I'm not sure if I could deal with OS X at my job either. I usually have (had) 5-10 Excel workbooks open, a couple Word documents, Lotus Notes, Outlook, etc. Mostly using Excel all day would have been a killer - I do prefer using Excel on Windows, especially when I'm juggling lots of workbooks, much more than Excel on Mac.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 7:39 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 7:30:39 PM

just because you use something doesn't mean you know about it, either way.

5/5/2009 7:35:06 PM

this is what makes it not the exact same thing:

Quote :

"Not as many options are customizable"

5/5/2009 7:37:22 PM

^^ that's true, but you're arguing with the wrong people on this topic

5/5/2009 7:43:27 PM

Actually, technically speaking, OSX is insanely more customizable than windows. But you can't change the things that are actually frustrating, because it's their conceptual model that's flawed for productivity, not the extensibility model.

The dock is garbage at managing multi-tasking, and Finder is garbage at parallel file operations. Which are two of the biggest scenarios of use in a work environment. At home, people almost never do either in a time sensitive setting, so it's not an annoyance.

5/5/2009 7:46:24 PM

Yo noen, how about you get somebody to slip ultramon-like functionality into Win7.

5/5/2009 7:54:02 PM

Quote :

"I do prefer using Excel on Windows, especially when I'm juggling lots of workbooks, much more than Excel on Mac. "

oh god yes. it pains me to use excel on my mac. all my keyboard shortcuts don't work it's maddening

5/5/2009 7:55:42 PM

^^What do you want specifically? There's a whole bunch of Win7 functionality that doesn't play nice with multi-mon (and I pray its fixed in the RC, or at least by RTM)

5/5/2009 8:41:02 PM

yeah the biggest (and really probably the only in my personal experience thus far) downfall of windows 7 is the lack of any real taskbar support on a dual monitor setup. is it really that hard for windows to just copy what ultramon does? seriously?

i love how the new taskbar works..just don't understand why the fuck MS can't make it go on both monitors how it should

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 8:44 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/5/2009 8:42:16 PM

The problem is that Window spanning is expensive. Ultramon uses some driver tricks and software fallback to do this. nVidia cards support this through their drivers, ATI may through as well now. That should account for 90% of the multi-mon market now, so what is the problem?

It's not something that Win7 can support natively, because it's hardware dependent, and Microsoft does not write drivers. The best they could do, which they have, is to encourage the hardware manufacturers to support it in their drivers.

This worked in XP, but the driver model that allowed this had huge loopholes that made for a lot of unstable video drivers. WDDM in Vista closed these loopholes, and along with it the ability to "native span".

5/5/2009 8:56:18 PM

I'm not a software guy so I guess I just don't get it..but I'm sure you do. Hopefully ultramon comes out with something to do what everybody with two monitors is going to want

5/5/2009 8:58:54 PM

If you own an nVidia or ATI card, you shouldn't need multi-mon. That's my point.

If you are using embedded video from Intel, S3, or VIA, then wait for Ultramon or someone else to release a software wrapper to do it.

5/5/2009 9:04:11 PM

I'm using an nVidia card and my taskbar only shows up on one monitor..thus, I need something.

although I haven't tried the release released today.. just the original 7000

5/5/2009 9:15:29 PM

Quote :

"^^What do you want specifically? There's a whole bunch of Win7 functionality that doesn't play nice with multi-mon (and I pray its fixed in the RC, or at least by RTM)"

The ONLY feature I want is to put separate taskbars on other monitors.

edit:

I don't see how this is at all hardware dependent, but maybe I just don't understand. Why can't there be native-supported separate taskbar objects that you can dock on secondary displays?

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 9:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 9:30:06 PM

Ugh, nevermind. nView was stopped after XP, and apparently removed

Looks like DisplayFusion might be yall's only hope

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 9:50 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 9:32:27 PM

You have to admit spanning or cloning the taskbar is pretty fucking shitty compared to the extra and separate taskbars provided by ultramon

5/5/2009 9:40:15 PM

well god damn.. i don't remember seeing that anywhere when i was looking or googling. i'll try it tomorrow

and let you know that i'm retarded if it works

5/5/2009 9:41:07 PM

My first serious problem w/ 7100:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itpronetworking/thread/7b0e8d81-d728-43b9-8857-bafdb6bbc229

I can't easily redirect my "special" user folders to my linux-running NAS, because in order to do that, the target has to be indexed and either indexing network shares is fucking broken or they disabled it for some reason.

Quote :

"I was in a chat with the team for libraries, and their statements about that indicate that the indexing must be done by the server."

seems like bullshit to me.

5/5/2009 10:34:44 PM

so when is this going to be the standard in computers when you buy them at the store?

5/5/2009 10:35:54 PM

^supposedly oct/nov.

^^http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/4617-libraries-include-network-folder.html

You should also be able to do it by indexing the network shares through media center/media player.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:28 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 11:26:46 PM

Quote :

"The disadvantage of this method is that it actually copies (syncs) all network files locally so that they are available offline. It actually makes networking useless since you have to bring everything on your PC. For those not interested for this approach, please use method 2"

edit2:

durr, didn't read method 2. I did try another symlink workaround and that didn't work, I'll try it this way and report back.

edit:

Quote :

"You should also be able to do it by indexing the network shares through media center/media player."

I actually tried that, hasn't worked yet for some reason.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:33 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM. Reason : edit2]

edit3: Following those instructions more precisely worked fine, thanks Still hope they make that easier, but it works for now.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:59 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 11:32:25 PM

32-bit done
/12

5/5/2009 11:51:25 PM