^I'll believe it when I see proof. Parents can exaggerate things big time see Larry Drew, Gerald Wilkins, etc. One PP poster is supposed to change all our minds?

4/30/2011 12:11:49 AM

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"He played baseball for nc state...not professionally"

ummmm, last year?

4/30/2011 12:14:33 AM

The difference is this parent isn't the parent of Russel Wilson. He's also not a hood rat

And that Russel Wilson is actually really freaking good and a class act...unlike the other two. He's the face of the damn program and arguably the only reason TOB even has a job still

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:16 AM. Reason : ]

4/30/2011 12:14:51 AM

All I can say is what the mother fuck is happening???????!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Glennon better be the next fucking coming of Joe Montana if this had anything to do with TOB giving Russell Wilson an ultimatum. Jesus christ I hope for the sake of our football program that this doesn't backfire, and I'm fucking pissed of the tought of seeing RW play for another team next season. Mother Fuck.

4/30/2011 12:15:05 AM

^^You asking us to accept double hearsay as truth? What are you a prosecutor in the Brad Cooper case?

^Like I said? Doesn't UNC have an immediate need at the QB position? That's what I'm prepping myself for because years of being a State fan has conditioned me to plan for the worst.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:17 AM. Reason : -]

4/30/2011 12:15:50 AM

This must be what Ernie feels like whenever he reads sports talk

V Fair enough, I knew he got drafted in like the 80th round but I thought he declined it and didn't play anything past college level

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:23 AM. Reason : jk]

4/30/2011 12:19:49 AM

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"ummmm, last year?"

RW played pro ball last year pal if that's what you are implying. Rookie ball. This year he's at Single-A, even more advanced.

^^He can't go to an ACC school or anyone on our schedule. Jesus.

I think you guys are getting worked up over nothing. I doubt he plays college football again.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:20 AM. Reason : But then again I think we will be fine with Glennon, so maybe that's why I'm not panicking]

4/30/2011 12:19:50 AM

JB I'm saying any team period...unless MG is literally better than Philip Rivers of 2002 which will not happen. If RW is playing in the ACC I will shoot our staff and administration personally.

4/30/2011 12:20:04 AM

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"RW played pro ball last year pal if that's what you are implying. Rookie ball. This year he's at Single-A, even more advanced. "

ahhh, and neither of those sound like NC State baseball. Thanks, I was responding to:

ThePeter:

Quote :

"He played baseball for nc state...not professionally"

4/30/2011 12:27:19 AM

TOB is well on his way out now for sure.

His results have been disappointing to date and now he just forced out an All ACC player, possibly the best QB in the history of the University?

I mean when has anyone ever kicked a heisman candidate off the team because of butthurt feelings?


Things really can't get any worse for our football program.

Glennon already looks pretty blah, and he just got a hell of a lot of pressure added to his job.

Replacing a legend is never easy, especially when your coach kicks the legend off the team.

I cant believe we didnt show more respect for a guy who's beaten UNC three times and carried our team on his back the last three years. This is just unbelievable, if I had season tickets I'd probably quit buying them over this.

4/30/2011 12:29:09 AM

LOL basketball posts a fifth straight bottom ACC finish. Football wins 9 games and a good bowl over a good opponent. One coach is on the verge of greatness! The other on the way out. Which is which?

4/30/2011 12:32:23 AM

I guess I'm still inclined to think that this is all just a move to put a definitive end to the rumor mill and any uncertainty that anyone could have.

I'll start the flame war up again when RW plays for another college football team.

4/30/2011 12:33:21 AM

Or, you know, show more respect and trust in the COACH responsible for rebuilding our god awful program to a respectable level who owns UNC on and off the field.

Next thing you people will say is that TOB personally drove Nate's car off the road and kicked that terrible 4 yard punt himself against Clemson. I'm actually pretty sure he also bribed the refs to rob us in the Maryland game

4/30/2011 12:33:59 AM

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"And that Russel Wilson is actually really freaking good and a class act...unlike the other two."

Please tell me how damien wilkins wasn't a class act. His dad is a piece of shit, but damien never aired any problems with sendek publically.

4/30/2011 12:39:48 AM

I bet TOB has trouble sleeping tonight.

What would he have to do to top this catastrophe? Grow a Hitler moustache, request Torry Holt's jersey be unretired, and sprinkle red pubes on people's cheeseburgers?

NC State football just died. That team is going to fold like a cheap hooker the minute adversity strikes on the field this season. Talk about distractions.

4/30/2011 12:51:00 AM

^looking at our schedule we will make a bowl. We play 4 high schools this year. That will help TOB's error not look as bad. imo

4/30/2011 12:58:16 AM

Quote :

"possibly the best QB in the history of the University?"

4/30/2011 1:16:46 AM

Some people need to pull their panties out of their asses in this thread.

4/30/2011 1:34:49 AM

Stunning. Just stunning.

4/30/2011 1:51:24 AM

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"this is absolute horseshit. we have the shittiest and i mean absolute shittyest history of athletic events ever and THIS is by far the worst thing that has ever happened to us. Fire TOB just for the fucking principal of the thing. This is like jessica alba asking to be your girlfriend but she'll be off filming a movie until the end of summer and you tell her to fuck off"

are you serious?[user]The E Mannmight be the dumbest person alive

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 2:37 AM. Reason : /.]

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 2:39 AM. Reason : drank too much to format this correctly but holy fuck the E Mann is an idiot to the N^th degree]

4/30/2011 2:36:36 AM

damn...i hoped to only use my response at packpride because those people are fucking idiots...

I don't understand you folks that don't see this is completely Russell Wilson's decision.

Maybe not the actual asking for a release, but choosing to demand more time for baseball. Last year, not having his QB in camp had to kill TOB and he didn't want to do it again...especially when Wilson wanted to be away from the program even longer this time.

It's not just a matter of Wilson stepping in and being good, of course he can do that. There are 84 other players on a football team. Many of which are brand new and are learning a brand new system(hell, from what we hear the whole team is learning parts of a new system) and those guys DESERVE to learn that WITH the guy who will lead them.

Russell didn't want to be here for that, so we had to move on. This is not a surprise to me, shouldn't be for you. This decision was made awhile ago. We're at least giving him a release so he can go jump in the middle of a team that can afford to make that call(read: no other choice).

4/30/2011 2:37:18 AM

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. It's an unmitigated failure to have the best QB in the ACC transfer from your program.

Who gives a shit about glennon? He hasn't done shit. If he can't beat out wilson, he has to wait his time.

We are not a performance based organization, apparently.

4/30/2011 2:38:16 AM

^no, the thing is, we are.

The only person that wanted to stay and give ANY sort of performance for our upcoming season was Glennon. NOT WILSON. He wanted to play some baseball. He didn't want to be here with our team when they needed him, screw him. We're moving on.

You should too.

4/30/2011 2:41:14 AM

people are turning on Wilson all of a sudden

Wilson has not even said he is considering playing football for another particular school. we gave him what any decent program would in giving him a release from his scholly and are allowing him to pursue what he thinks is best. why in the fucking hell are people so upset? this should not be a surprise.

Mike Glennon is the starting QB. Period. any decent program realizes that a "changing of the guard" so to speak is necessary to move forward. quit the hating.

4/30/2011 2:47:16 AM

So, the performance you care about is for him to come and suck the team's dick, not football.

He did the same thing last year and he still beat Glennon. That's the performance non-fags care about. Football.

Fags care about loyalty tests and playing games with words to convince themselves that Wilson isn't the best QB in the ACC. This is a political decision and TOB is putting his own ego before the team's welfare.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 3:00 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 2:52:19 AM

^absolutely ridiculous statement...

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 2:54 AM. Reason : fags don't know anything]

4/30/2011 2:54:21 AM

^^considering the only real picture in your gallery is of 2 twins I know, I assume I either know you or could know you at some point so I will keep this simple...you're a fucking idiot.

Wilson chose baseball first. If he chose football first, he'd be our starting QB heading into the fall. Simple as that. If you feel like treating your own teammates w/ respect is as if you would "suck the team's dick" then it's easy to see why you feel so passionately about sports.

Wilson will likely remain the best QB in the ACC next year...the problem is, he won't be an ACC QB ever again. Not because he asked if he could be again and was told no. It's because he asked if he could show up in september and it was unacceptable. Something I agree with. Something I assume the other 84 scholarship players on the team agree with as they recently went though the things he skipped out on....again.

4/30/2011 3:15:06 AM

Quote :

"This must be what Ernie feels like whenever he reads sports talk"

4/30/2011 6:46:08 AM

Here is what likely happened:

RW called TOB and told him he was still going to come back to football and/or had decided to

TOB basically said, "thanks but no thanks, if you come back you will be 2nd string"

RW is a gamer and would not want to have the possibility of sitting on the bench, so he said, "ok, then release me so i can play somewhere else"

TOB said no problem and the rest is history.

watch him end up at oregon or somewhere with a nice spread offense

4/30/2011 7:17:05 AM

There are tons of players in the history of NCAA football that have done what RW wanted to do, if he goes elsewhere (as a QB) this year and somehow finds a way to succeed even though TOB thought it wasn't worth it, it will be/look very very bad.

4/30/2011 8:55:43 AM

its not even guaranteed that hes going to play football in the fall, he just wanted to have the option open

4/30/2011 9:10:58 AM

gotta love the sky is falling mindset

typical for a state fan

lets hypothetically say wilson plays football elsewhere. what system is he going to be able to fully grasp in less than 4 months?

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:01 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 9:59:39 AM

I'm no expert in this situation but I do have some experience in leading/managing troops. Here is my opinion:

TOB's decision is the right thing. The offensive schemes with RW as QB is apparently much different than if MG as QB. Assuming that most programs start implementing their playbooks in the spring (to allow time for players to learn adjust and learn them)...it would a massive game of catch up (again) to readjust in the Fall if RW were to come back. I'd hate to be in TOB's situation if I HADN'T changed to accommodate MG and then RW left anyway...

Plus, how effective would RW be under the offensive setup used for MG? I don't know these things but I am pretty sure that moving forward is the smart/safest choice.

Also, we don't know all that goes on behind closed doors. What if MG told TOB that he'd leave if RW came back? Then we'd have RW for one year and a brand new QB to break in next year...Right now we have MG for 2 years while we can break in Burris or Taylor as backups.

I like investing in the long-term future.

BTW, I apologize for this post being all over the place!

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:10 AM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 10:08:26 AM

Going to say the same things that have been said.

TOB has a football team to run. He needs a dedicated quarterback to lead the team. RW (who I think is awesome) has his own life to think about. If he loves playing baseball, it leaves little room for football (as indicated by him missing all of spring practice last year...which he didn't need anyway). But by letting him do that this year AGAIN would have spoken loads to the people who want the football team to succeed: Let's just wait for RW to make a decision and base our program on him and not move forward. That puts Mike Glennon in a bad spot, feeling like he is again living in RW's shadow and waiting for him to make a decision.

Why would anyone want to play at a school with that sort of fickleness?

They wouldn't. They would transfer.

And RW was in the position, so he asked TOB to let him go, "in case" he wanted to play football for a team who was okay with him coming in and playing for a year.

Any teams need a one-term quarterback?

4/30/2011 10:11:30 AM

The sky isn't falling but it will if Glennon isn't Dan Marino good.

4/30/2011 10:11:42 AM

Finally, some rational thought

4/30/2011 10:12:00 AM

I'm really starting to worry about the value of my degree... you people are fucking retarded.

4/30/2011 10:14:51 AM

_if_ he plays, no way he plays for an acc school.... Isn't there a rule about transferring in conference like there is with basketball? (see the Ryan harrow situation)

4/30/2011 10:15:19 AM

this has been covered numerous times

he cannot go to any acc school or school on nc state's schedule

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:17 AM. Reason : stipulations of his release]

4/30/2011 10:17:01 AM

I just wish he would start hitting the freaking baseball.. would solve everyone's problems

4/30/2011 10:50:18 AM

I, too, am siding with TOB on this one. We can be successful with Glennon, and I'm exited to see what he brings to the table. I'm more worried about our defense at this point. What good is a qb if we get destroyed on D. Not even RW can score every possession.

4/30/2011 10:55:07 AM

all I am saying is if he goes somewhere else and excels (I'm talking about if he landed at Auburn or LSU and was the SEC player of the year level), and Glennon flounders, TOB will look like a fool. The general public/national press wont care about the minute details of why he left, they will just see "TOB wouldnt allow him to do both, so he went somewhere that would accommodate him now hes kicking ass and doesnt NC State look foolish"

If he goes somewhere and doesnt do jackshit, no one will care. If he goes somewhere and kicks ass AND Glennon is the next Mallett, then it will be an interesting side note "oh, just think that NC State had both of these guys on the same roster!"

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 11:18 AM. Reason : d]

4/30/2011 11:16:07 AM

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"Wilson will likely remain the best QB in the ACC next year...the problem is, he won't be an ACC QB ever again. Not because he asked if he could be again and was told no. It's because he asked if he could show up in september and it was unacceptable. Something I agree with. Something I assume the other 84 scholarship players on the team agree with as they recently went though the things he skipped out on....again."

Sorry if this has been covered, but I couldn't disagree more.

These are high level college athletes. Almost all of these guys enter college believing they are good enough to play professionally someday. They are NOT going to hold against a guy like Russell Wilson his professional aspirations and it's certainly not "unacceptable" in my opinion.

I don't have a problem with TOB's decision but nothing Wilson did was anything different than many dozens before him who played baseball and football.

4/30/2011 11:16:53 AM

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" if he goes elsewhere (as a QB) this year and somehow finds a way to succeed even though TOB thought it wasn't worth it, it will be/look very very bad."

Absolutely not

It won't mean a thing if Glennon plays well

4/30/2011 11:28:43 AM

Quote :

"all I am saying is if he goes somewhere else and excels (I'm talking about if he landed at Auburn or LSU and was the SEC player of the year level), and Glennon flounders, TOB will look like a fool. The general public/national press wont care about the minute details of why he left, they will just see "TOB wouldnt allow him to do both, so he went somewhere that would accommodate him now hes kicking ass and doesnt NC State look foolish" If he goes somewhere and doesnt do jackshit, no one will care. If he goes somewhere and kicks ass AND Glennon is the next Mallett, then it will be an interesting side note "oh, just think that NC State had both of these guys on the same roster!""

This is why I like TOB more and more....he analyzes the situation and then makes the best decision for the PROGRAM. Once the decision is made, he sticks to his guns and makes shit happen.

This is also why TOB is a Head Football Coach who does MAKE things happen and why those who detract from him are just journalists who write about people who make things happen.

4/30/2011 11:30:04 AM

I can't believe that a lot of you people talk shit about the PP posters, and then come in here and post this kind of crap. Amazing, but in a pitiful and frankly, embarrassing way. Ugh.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : Not ^, just saying these "sky-is-falling" all of a sudden anti-TOB people.]

4/30/2011 12:31:51 PM

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"Absolutely not It won't mean a thing if Glennon plays well"

yeah... which is why I said that in my post

4/30/2011 12:33:07 PM

face is not the typical nc state fan. I'd say he is part of the 0.0005% that feels like TOB should be fired, our program is in shambles, and the sky is falling

why he is still allowed to post around here is beyond me. all he does is troll

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 12:43 PM. Reason : adsf]

4/30/2011 12:43:06 PM

His name is Martin

What's up Martin

4/30/2011 12:50:23 PM

George Cox with a level-headed article on the RW stuff:

http://ncstate.raycomsports.com/blog/2011/04/30/wilson-nc-state-football-move-forward-in-classic-fashion-george-cox-of-nc-state-football/

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"It was time. Quarterback Russell Wilson and North Carolina State football decided to move forward Friday as head coach Tom O’Brien granted the prolific ACC quarterback his release. Wilson is under a professional baseball contract with the Colorado Rockies, who most likely will expect his unconditional commitment to improving his baseball skills. O’Brien and Wilson have had an understanding for awhile concerning the time commitment it would take to quarterback the Wolfpack in 2011. Simply put, neither the Rockies or the Pack coaching staff would allow part-time participation this year. The Rockies aren’t likely going to allow Wilson to leave professional baseball early for preseason football practice for either the Wolfpack or any other collegiate team. Wilson can certainly keep his options open. But even if Wilson were allowed to particpate in pre-season football sessions, how many head coaches would allow a one-year quarterback to move in on players who had paid their dues in their systems? Of course, Wilson could possibly give up baseball and then go on to a final year of eligibility somewhere. But that’s a long stretch at this time. At this writing, his best shot at a professional career is on the baseball diamond — even though it might take three or four years of minor league preparation. Wilson and O’Brien have nothing but admiration for each other. And Wilson says the Wolfpack fans are the best. The mutual move by both Wilson and O’Brien allows both parties to move forward with great anticipation of the future. It also gives Michael Glennon the green light to take complete leadership of the offensive Wolfpack and finally show everyone his quarterbacking skills."

4/30/2011 1:52:03 PM