^ because theyre guarding 40 feet from the hoop

12/17/2011 8:18:46 PM

Bounces right off Howell's hands

12/17/2011 8:19:03 PM

^^dur hur

12/17/2011 8:19:43 PM

that's a chop

12/17/2011 8:19:49 PM

holy shit howell

you idiot

and brown just got served

12/17/2011 8:20:09 PM

I applaud howell for getting into shape during the offseason but if he could have worked on his game at all, that would have been good too

12/17/2011 8:20:21 PM

Oh well, can't beat the #1 every time

12/17/2011 8:21:06 PM

Leslie get's a chop for not drinking some damn water. No doubt

He lost us the Stanford game, for sure, and we would have been right in it if we didn't have to play Jordan Vandenberg against fucking Fab Melo


Half chop to Lorenzo Brown for playing like Alex Johnson at the end of games

12/17/2011 8:21:43 PM

Please don't lose by 20

12/17/2011 8:21:46 PM

tough to win when you let the no. 1 team make 11 3's

12/17/2011 8:23:51 PM

this game was a good example of how overrated sid was as a recruiter

our bench is painter, vandenberg, harris and alex johnson

12/17/2011 8:24:54 PM

If you really try to be objective, it wasn't that bad of a loss. Actually it was awesome that we came back to tie the game after being down so much. The problem is that the moment they get in a game, they plateau. Really, we aint bad for a first year coach.

Hopefully we play well at the end of the year.

12/17/2011 8:26:30 PM

^ we hit the wall when leslie went down

and

harris and vandy got put into the game, to give CJW a break.


it was tied before that sequence of events

12/17/2011 8:32:37 PM

Leslie's dehydration thing is ridiculous, especially sense it has been identified in previous games and has apparently still not been addressed, how hard is it to fucking hydrate yourself knowing you've had problems with it already.

Also, Vandy is the most spastic freak I've ever seen with the ball, there was a moment where they passed to him in the middle of the zone and I thought he was going to knock himself out with all the fucking flailing he was doing.

And of course, defense.

This game just makes me It's like hey here's what we could be...but here's what we actually are and its shit.

12/17/2011 8:32:56 PM

This is one loss we shouldn't be upset about. Stanford and Indiana were different stories because of the epic collapses to team that are, imo, not superior to ours talent-wise. If we have equal or better talent, coaching should take us over the top.

For this game, we were out-classed in every way.

We lose one player, and it turns in to a blowout from an even game. That's how much depth we lack. I hope Gott can sign another high profile big, cause we need one badly.

12/17/2011 8:37:03 PM

I do agree that Syracuse Has a crazy talented lineup. Seems like their roles players would be stars at other schools. We are close to being an upper tier team talent wise we just gotta solidly our bench. Alex Johnson, De Thaey, Harris, Painter, Vandy have all been busts so far

12/17/2011 8:44:22 PM

The announcers were talking about how Calvin has been having dehydration troubles. It's simple, this is all Powerade's fault. It's just not as good as Gatorade. So contrary to the belief that our Adidas contract is holding us back, it's Powerade that we can blame for all of our athletic troubles.

12/17/2011 8:45:42 PM

i thought we hung in there pretty good...we've got to build some depth over the next couple of years

12/17/2011 8:46:12 PM

For real though, I hope we don't go from Adidas to Under Armor in the coming years as has been rumored. Sure the fan apparel is not bad, but their shoes are God awful. They are an apparel company trying to make shoes. If we switch to them, expect our number of ankle sprains and foot injuries to go up moreso than normal.

12/17/2011 8:52:41 PM

wut

12/17/2011 8:54:26 PM

^^^^^ Painter and AJ are busts since they are upperclassmen and they still suck. TDT and Harris play like the freshmen they are. Front court players take a long time to develop. That's a long-standing rule of college ball. Vandy and Howell are probably busts, as well.

Painter and AJ can still find a groove that will help us in an ACC tourney run.

Harris will be a very good starter, I predict. If we don't have depth and are forced to play TDT, I think he will do well. His job is to rebound and hustle, and he's done that every time he was in today. He could have played more than Painter, Vandy, or Harris as far as I am concerned. Those guys gave us nothing.



[Edited on December 17, 2011 at 8:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/17/2011 8:54:46 PM

skokiaan is giving insightful, optimistic commentary. END TIMES

12/17/2011 8:55:45 PM

painter isnt bad if he's a back up. calvin going down every game and howell chopping it up is overexposing him. same thing with our lack of depth causing harris to get exposed as a raw freshman

12/17/2011 9:01:03 PM

Syracuse won me over

I wasn't sold on them before the game, but after seeing them in person....

so fucking quick and long

12/17/2011 9:02:37 PM

we had 21 assists on 30 baskets

Outrebounded them

shot 57% from the field and 50% from 3pt

Zo had had 13 assists to 3 TOs

What killed us was our depth and 18 fucking TOs

Leslie was a bull in a china shop at the end of the first half. I think all of his 5 TOs were around then

Cuse outplayed us 1 on 1

12/17/2011 9:18:12 PM

When Vandy gets the ball it reminds me of Kramer entering a room.

12/17/2011 9:23:05 PM

25 points on 19 turnovers

to

11 points on 8 turnovers.

12/17/2011 9:24:06 PM

Quote :

"I do agree that Syracuse Has a crazy talented lineup. Seems like their roles players would be stars at other schools. We are close to being an upper tier team talent wise we just gotta solidly our bench. Alex Johnson, De Thaey, Harris, Painter, Vandy have all been busts so far"

"busts" might be a little harsh (especially for the freshmen), but I agree with this for the most part. Our starting 5 was beating Syracuse and brought us back in the 2nd half. We just don't have the depth at this point to win these games. If Harris, TDT, and others can develop as then season progresses (and, obviously, in the offseason) it will help greatly. But right now, there is a huge drop off when CJL and Brown, for example, come off and Harris and Johnson come in. I really like our starting 5, but depth is a big issue. The recruits will definitely help that.

And CJL's cramping issue is puzzling. We really need 30 minutes or more from him...can't have him cramping up after ~20 minutes.

Vandy just couldn't do anything tonight...pretty much 5 on 4 when he's in there. The converged on him so quickly when he got the ball he couldn't pass out. All we really needed him to do offensively was draw the zone in on him and kick it out - he couldn't.

[Edited on December 17, 2011 at 9:31 PM. Reason : ]

12/17/2011 9:30:32 PM

Our games are gonna pretty much depend on our starting five running up a big enough lead that the bench can't blow it, or we will lose. Top half of the acc. Not much more.

12/17/2011 9:35:02 PM

Doesn't Duke play their starters a crazy amount of minutes? We basically need to do that with Lo, Wood, and Leslie. We have to use the time outs better, and we need to get to the line more.

FYI, they have 5 players who get >20 mins, and we have 7


[Edited on December 17, 2011 at 9:39 PM. Reason : The 5 are all McD AAs, I think. I look forward to the day when our roster is similarly stacked]

12/17/2011 9:35:53 PM

Duke didn't have a coach last year that thought xbox counted as drills.

12/17/2011 9:38:50 PM

What's the time limit on blaming Lowe for everything? Probably the same as the limit on blaming Bush for everything.

12/17/2011 9:41:02 PM

Quote :

"We basically need to do that with Lo, Wood, and Leslie."

YES LESLIE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS MORE MINUTES

HIS CONDITIONING IS IMPECCABLE

TWW #1

12/17/2011 9:59:03 PM

has there been any of those "just got back from the game..." posts?

12/17/2011 9:59:43 PM

They murdered our zone

[Edited on December 17, 2011 at 10:01 PM. Reason : I just got back from the game. ]

12/17/2011 10:00:14 PM

I LIKE THAT BRASSMONKEY CAPITALIZED THE G IN GOD-AWFUL

TWW #1

12/17/2011 10:03:40 PM

Just got back from the game.

Fuck selling that many tickets to SU fans.

Also:
Pack.
Prey.
Fail.

12/17/2011 10:07:53 PM

WE HUNGRY!

12/17/2011 10:16:02 PM

you spelled hongry wrong

12/17/2011 10:17:22 PM

Quote :

"When we make a three point shot, put your thumb and index finger together and hold up your 3 other fingers. "

12/17/2011 10:18:13 PM

Quote :

"YES LESLIE OBVIOUSLY NEEDS MORE MINUTES HIS CONDITIONING IS IMPECCABLE "

Guess what the best way to get in better condition is

12/17/2011 10:20:40 PM

too much damn orange in the stands hate being out shouted in my own damn building

12/17/2011 10:26:32 PM

Fuck selling that many seats to cuse fans. Kind of pathetic.

[Edited on December 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : cuse]

12/17/2011 10:26:35 PM

Looking at the results and watching the game, it came down to the turnovers. We were relatively identical in all categories except that we had over twice as many TOs. All in all, I am not entirely unhappy with the results.

12/17/2011 10:30:31 PM

^^ yea, they were in places that should've had season ticket holders

12/17/2011 10:31:08 PM

i fucking hate cuse fans.


that's all i'm gonna say.

12/17/2011 10:34:22 PM

Quote :

"All in all, I am not entirely unhappy with the results."

I said this a lot the last 4 years

12/17/2011 10:36:54 PM

There were quite a few Cuse fans around me in 106 but they weren't really that annoying

12/17/2011 10:46:50 PM

Quote :

"Guess what the best way to get in better condition is"

Practice, conditioning training? Certainly not playing 20 minutes and coming up lame.

12/17/2011 11:00:21 PM

moral victory

12/17/2011 11:06:57 PM