Quote :

"OMG! Let's talk about some people saying some outlandish things at some website!"

that was my claim. people in this thread and other threads are trying to negate the message, demonize all the protesters, and justify the police actions because of the bad behavior of a few in the crowd. there's a few in this thread (no need to call them out by name, most of them are obvious) and there's plenty of others around the web, on the tv and radio, etc.. that's all i was saying. i'm not sure why you're trying to argue that, it's obvious. and i wasn't specifically saying page 1 of this thread, i was talking about this thread as a whole.

8/18/2014 12:39:32 PM

Quote :

"The forensic pathologist said that the gunshot wounds on the arm could have happened in several way, including with his back facing the officer"

source? everywhere else has quoted Dr. Baden as saying all shots were fired at his front.

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 12:49 PM. Reason : I'm thinking the headshots came from Brown looking down at his arm all shot up.]

8/18/2014 12:48:17 PM

Quote :

" tl;dr doesn't really provide much info from what i can see"

Yeah...and I'm certainly no expert, but this doesn't seem to really give a lot of specifics as to what happened.

8/18/2014 12:48:17 PM

the wounds on his arm are on the front because palm forward is front, however that's not how you run. when you run you have your palms towards your body, which means that the wounds on his arms could have come while running away. or while facing. or while he had his hands up.

Quote :

"Parcells says a graze wound on Brown's right arm could have occurred in several ways. He says the teen may have had his back to the shooter, or he could have been facing the shooter with his hands above his head or in a defensive position. Parcells appeared at a press conference Monday, along with fellow pathologist Dr. Michael Baden and the Brown family's three attorneys. The two pathologists said the reason for there appearing to be more than six wounds on Brown's body is that at least two of the bullets apparently caused multiple entry wounds. "

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/preliminary-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-shot-six-times/

8/18/2014 12:51:19 PM

Quote :

"may have"

Quote :

"could have"

Is it that easy to get a job in journalism these days?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 12:53 PM. Reason : oh nvm its cbs]

8/18/2014 12:52:35 PM

Quote :

"several witness say he was shot in the back before he turned around to surrender."

perhaps he was shot at while running away, Officer Wilson missed him, and then upon turning around to surrender he was hit. i recall reading (at some point somewhere) up to 9 shots were fired so if he was hit 6...that's math.

8/18/2014 12:58:01 PM

Quote :

"I'm thinking the headshots came from Brown looking down at his arm all shot up.]"

Or perhaps he was instinctively cowering trying to "block" the shots, and had his head tucked and his arms up.

8/18/2014 12:58:02 PM

Parcells has already been in trouble in the state of Missouri for doing autopsies without a medical license. He's contradicting what the actual coroner has stated that the shots came from the front.

8/18/2014 12:58:47 PM

Marinuana in system? Deserved it just like Trayvon.

- the entire right

8/18/2014 1:05:07 PM

You know dumbass comments like that are the reason the nation cares less and less every time something like this happens?

8/18/2014 1:07:25 PM

Quote :

""may have"... "could have"...Is it that easy to get a job in journalism these days?.. oh nvm its cbs"

actually, it's the guy doing the autopsy who said that. and as of now, they can only speculate. it'd be pretty unprofessional for the doctors to make definitive statements if they're unable to know for sure. so while journalism is declining, this isn't a case of it.

8/18/2014 1:23:30 PM

The Coming Race War Won’t Be About Race by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

8/18/2014 1:27:05 PM

Baden doesn't disagree with Parcells

8/18/2014 1:31:15 PM

So have the police released any information as to what happened? What are we waiting for...a full police report?

Is it normal for it to a week to get them to share their version of the events?

8/18/2014 2:14:57 PM

Saw something that said Brown "bum rushed " the officer.

Seems to be getting more and more rediculous. So after a tussle with an armed officer that shoots at a guy from his vehicle, that guy then decides to bum rush the armed officer? Oh lawd.

8/18/2014 2:19:50 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VdL9dqkyjhM&feature=youtu.be

So in this video you hear a lady

"They shot him for no reason. I heard it when I was in the shower"

You hear the guy videoing say "they said he just Stood over him shooting him"

There is another guy that says he saw it and starts detailing a story that makes sense. Started in truck, foot pursuit, guy turned back towards the officer

8/18/2014 2:55:23 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/justice-department-orders-new-autopsy-of-michael-browns-body/2014/08/18/023a4d12-2694-11e4-958c-268a320a60ce_story.html

Seems like things got pretty bad last night. I guess if you criminalize being out after midnight, only criminals will be out after midnight.

The only thing that can stop a bad guy after dark is a good guy after dark.

8/18/2014 3:05:45 PM

Quote :

" So after a tussle with an armed officer that shoots at a guy from his vehicle"

no one has confirmed this, only that a shot was fired inside the vehicle. Maybe the two struggled over the gun and it went off and shot the floor of the car. Maybe the officer was an imbecile who managed to shoot his own car while drawing his weapon in panic.

8/18/2014 3:19:42 PM

looks like more white ppl are paying attention compared to trayvon.

they should have asked if their view was positive/negative though.

It takes around 50% of white ppl to care about a minority issue for it to gain traction, so maybe this will have some legs.

8/18/2014 3:23:26 PM

it takes a majority of a majority's opinion about a minority to matter

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 3:28 PM. Reason : sincerely, moron]

8/18/2014 3:28:06 PM

Quote :

"Marinuana in system? Deserved it just like Trayvon. - the entire right"

he stole a box of blunts. Was anyone not expecting him to have marijuana in his system?

8/18/2014 3:35:24 PM

Quote :

"white-against-black economically impacts the future of the black community. Black-against-white has almost no measurable social impact"

http://time.com/3132635/ferguson-coming-race-war-class-warfare/

This makes absolutely no sense....

Black-on-white crime is the whole premise of white flight with anxiety ridden soccer moms begging their husbands to take them to their cookie-cutter suburban neighborhoods to be safe from a perceived threat of violent African Americans in the city.

Living in a gentrifying neighborhood, I know first hand of people that raise their brow about the purchase of a home and living in a neighborhood that borders a ghetto area. Black on white crime would only further this doubt of my neighborhoods future and put negative pricing pressure on the economic rebound of the area.

Quote :

" So, it’s crucial that those in the wealthiest One Percent keep the poor fractured by distracting them with emotional issues like immigration, abortion and gun control so they never stop to wonder how they got so screwed over for so long."

This is true lol! Although the author forgets about silly distraction issues like Benghazi, presidents getting blow jobs, faked birth certificates, etc!

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 3:44 PM. Reason : a]

8/18/2014 3:42:02 PM

Quote :

"This makes absolutely no sense.... Black-on-white crime..."

Come onnnnnn buddy. They weren't talking about crime. They were talking about racism.

Quote :

"Then we’ll argue about whether there isn’t just as much black-against-white racism in the U.S. as there is white-against-black. (Yes, there is. But, in general, white-against-black economically impacts the future of the black community. Black-against-white has almost no measurable social impact"

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 3:58 PM. Reason : Nice try though!!!]

8/18/2014 3:57:42 PM

Up until the 70s-ish, it was the blacks that were afraid of whites. They wouldn't go into white neighborhoods at night, or be on certain country roads, but the reverse wasn't necessarily true.

It's only "recently" that the perception is that whites should be afraid of blacks. White flight wasn't the result of any actual crimes by blacks, it was rote racism in response to laws making discrimination based on race illegal (aka desegregation).

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2014 4:22:21 PM

Quote :

"They wouldn't go into white neighborhoods at night, or be on certain country roads, but the reverse wasn't necessarily true."

I know people who still won't stop in Zebulon to get gas at night. LOL

^Also lets not forget that we're only one generation from 'police' hosing down black people in broad daylight for non-violent protests. Times have changed but the imagery and narrative from that time period is still a very strong force in the black community accurate or not.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/18/2014 5:08:05 PM

In the end I have predictions about how this will work out:

1. The shooting will turn out to be justifiable and "not guilty verdict will be handed down"
2. People will riot
3. No action will be taken to make this less of a 'police state'

8/18/2014 5:08:07 PM

Here is my prediction:

Nobody will give a fuck about this in a month.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/18/2014 5:10:23 PM

^ Oh that's not gonna be the case. This thing is going to drag out...probably longer than TM.

8/18/2014 5:12:38 PM

Whatever you know what I mean

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

8/18/2014 5:13:22 PM

Honestly I feel a fair degree of sympathy for the officer in this case. Which is a 180 from Zimmerman. Zimmerman was a wannabe hero douche who went out of his way to be a tough guy and looked for trouble. The fact that he became a cult hero to some conservatives was sheer lunacy. I think this officer was probably just wrong place, wrong time and bad decision or panic.

I'm interested in what happened but I'm far more outraged at the county and polices response AFTER the death than what actually happened.

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 5:39 PM. Reason : typos]

8/18/2014 5:38:39 PM

^ there's something to be said, however, for how cops should approach civilians. If you start off all combative and dickish, you increase the odds of there being a confrontation, which runs entirely counter to the idea of maintaining the peace.


Don't start no shit, won't be no shit.

8/18/2014 5:47:47 PM

Yeah, poor murderer on his paid vacation.

8/18/2014 5:49:07 PM

Eyewitness accounts are a motherfucker. I was involved in a good shoot a few years back. There was a couple or three witnesses who came forward and gave accounts that were almost verbatim of my account. There was only one problem, none of them were remotely near the scene; they just showed up later and let themselves be interviewed.

8/18/2014 6:15:11 PM

Ha that was interesting. Live on CNN cops basically were manhandling people and pushing them back.

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 6:18 PM. Reason : interesting that the New Black Panthers are basically playing peacemaker]

8/18/2014 6:18:11 PM

ALWAYS TRUST THA PO-LICE

http://www.wral.com/fbi-embattled-new-mexico-sheriff-son-arrested/13896272/

8/18/2014 6:29:06 PM

God Damn, stop arresting journalists, it won't end well for you

8/18/2014 6:38:19 PM

Quote :

"Honestly I feel a fair degree of sympathy for the officer in this case."

We have absolutely no idea WTF happened. How could you already feel sympathy for the officer?

Quote :

"there's something to be said, however, for how cops should approach civilians. If you start off all combative and dickish, you increase the odds of there being a confrontation, which runs entirely counter to the idea of maintaining the peace."

That was only the FPD though right? I thought the staties had a softer approach...

Quote :

"Eyewitness accounts are a motherfucker."

Yeah, especially when the eyewitnesses are sympathetic to one party and hate the shit out of the other.

Quote :

" I was involved in a good shoot"

What's a good shoot? (as opposed to bad)

Quote :

"There was only one problem, none of them were remotely near the scene; they just showed up later and let themselves be interviewed."

How did they know what happened or what your account was?

8/18/2014 7:26:16 PM

Quote :

"What's a good shoot? (as opposed to bad)"

SBI investigated (criminal side) and cleared me. My agency investigated (admin) and cleared me. It was not fun, I had miranda rights and garrity rights read to me and was subjected (voluntarily of course) to sveral lengthy interviews (criminal and admin).

Quote :

"How did they know what happened or what your account was?"

They didn't; they just made shit up. They didn't have intimate details, but they said things like I had identified myself as an officer, gave commands and had no choice but to shoot. One of the witnessess was asleep in bed, miles away when it happened.

8/18/2014 7:53:04 PM

And for the record, I was only privy to this information after being cleared and I requested a copy of the internal investigation. I've never seen the SBI stuff, nor care too.

8/18/2014 7:54:06 PM

Quote :

"That was only the FPD though right? I thought the staties had a softer approach..."

I dunno....I'm talking about the original alleged confrontation between the copper and the dead kid. Something had to go horribly wrong for a kid to end up dead for essentially jay walking. My guess is the initial exchange wasn't exactly cordial. If a cops primary responsibility is to keep the peace, then maybe they shouldn't start exchanges in a hostile manner.


Sure, it's possible that the cop rolled down his window, and said, "good afternoon gentlemen, lovely day, is it not?" To which the kid responded by viciously attacking the officer completely unprovoked. I suppose that could have happened. Or maybe the cop got pissed off and escalated the situation just as much or more as the kid, with the only difference being that the officer had a gun, and the kid did not.

8/18/2014 7:54:48 PM

Police officers comprise the baddest gang in the country

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 7:59 PM. Reason : Gang members don't have to be polite, fool]

8/18/2014 7:58:21 PM

Quote :

" Something had to go horribly wrong for a kid to end up dead for essentially jay walking. My guess is the initial exchange wasn't exactly cordial. If a cops primary responsibility is to keep the peace, then maybe they shouldn't start exchanges in a hostile manner. "

Isn't it possible to assume that after having just robbed a store, when he saw a police officer rolling his way, he's not thinking that he's getting stopped for walking in the street. He's probably thinking "oh shit, they found me," which probably didn't help to not escalate the situation. I'm not saying it is the kids fault he got murdered, and I'm not taking the cop's side. I just think that the first thing that went through the kids mind wasn't that he was being stopped for wwb.

8/18/2014 8:08:21 PM

It's more simple to think that he would run or just ignore the cop

^^ cops don't have to be polite either

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 8:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2014 8:14:10 PM

That is what's so confounding about it. Since he didn't run, your only options are to give up, or to fight. Why would you fight a cop if you're not armed?

8/18/2014 8:15:51 PM

I think the only thing that went through the kids head was about 6 bullets.

8/18/2014 8:16:38 PM

They eyewitnesses said that he did run

8/18/2014 8:17:30 PM

More reporters and a holocaust survivor have been arrested. Protest zones from earlier in the day are being closed like a noose around peaceful demonstrators(kettling). CNN reporter pushed and manhandled on live TV.

Humvees are rolling in.

8/18/2014 8:18:02 PM

Quote :

"SBI investigated (criminal side) and cleared me. My agency investigated (admin) and cleared me. It was not fun, I had miranda rights and garrity rights read to me and was subjected (voluntarily of course) to sveral lengthy interviews (criminal and admin). "

Holy shit

Glad to hear everything worked out ok.

What % of shootings have been deemed as "bad" (i realize it's probably not black and white situations...)

Quote :

"they said things like I had identified myself as an officer, gave commands and had no choice but to shoot. One of the witnessess was asleep in bed, miles away when it happened."

Why the fuck did they give interviews if they weren't there? They wanted to be on the news or something?

Quote :

"Something had to go horribly wrong for a kid to end up dead for essentially jay walking."

That's a ridiculous assertion. While I'm betting the cop fucked up in some respect, it wasn't shooting a kid for jaywalking

Quote :

"Or maybe the cop got pissed off and escalated the situation just as much or more as the kid, with the only difference being that the officer had a gun, and the kid did not."

That's probably closer to the truth.

Quote :

"Isn't it possible to assume that after having just robbed a store, when he saw a police officer rolling his way, he's not thinking that he's getting stopped for walking in the street. He's probably thinking "oh shit, they found me," which probably didn't help to not escalate the situation. I'm not saying it is the kids fault he got murdered, and I'm not taking the cop's side. I just think that the first thing that went through the kids mind wasn't that he was being stopped for wwb."

Who the fuck knows. Seems to be a silly thing to speculate about.

Quote :

"I think the only thing that went through the kids head was about 6 bullets."

He didn't get shot 6 times and the head, and it's a stupid statement to begin with.

8/18/2014 8:20:52 PM

Quote :

" That's a ridiculous assertion"

I'm not suggesting he shot him for jaywalking. I'm saying that he's likely a shitty cop more concerned with flexing his nuts than he was about maintaining order. He approached the situation completely wrong to begin with. He's a cop, he should act like agoddamn professional and not a fucking goon concerned about his rep.

Yes, the kid could have totally been a cantankerous little shit. Doesn't mean you have to shoot him in the skull.

[Edited on August 18, 2014 at 8:29 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2014 8:27:23 PM

Amnesty International has dispatched war crime observers to U.S. soil for the first time.

8/18/2014 8:27:35 PM