TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
We'll see. Cleveland is a one-man team though, Kevin Loverated is gimpy and Kyrie is inconsistent. Meanwhile OKC has 2 of the best players in the league. I mean, this OKC team is on the verge of beating 2 of the best 3 regular season (record) teams in NBA history. Detroit, Atlanta, Toronto is not gonna prepare the Cavs for that.
[Edited on May 25, 2016 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .] 5/25/2016 7:16:21 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
the way OKC is playing, I don't see them losing to CLE either. they are on another level right now... 5/25/2016 7:17:44 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Oh yeah, well FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Nah, I mean I can see why you'd think that. It's a distinct possibility. OKC has never looked this good before. I think the biggest difference is Adams. He's been amazing for them and Ibaka looks like the Ibaka from a couple of years ago instead of looking like a homeless man's Kevin Love like he did for the bulk of the season.
I do think there will be some regression on their shooting. No way Westbrook, Waiters, and Roberson all keep shooting the 3 at the percentages they have been this series.
Assuming it is Cavs vs. Thunder it isn't an easy one to call and you can certainly envision scenarios for a hard fought series or runaways either direction. 5/25/2016 7:20:04 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
I like OKC in that Clev-OKC matchup. Lol at the idea of Irving even remotely slowing down Westbrook with his shit defense. Plus the Cavs bigs have been owned by Bismack. Good luck with Ibaka/Adams/Kanter.
Yeah LeBron may be able to shut down Durant, but that would be about it. Plus OKC is playing active, high energy defense whereas the Cavs can't defend a fucking pick and roll between Lowry and Patrick Patterson to save their damn lives. 5/25/2016 7:23:14 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Kerr just hasnt shown up. They are probably sitting back after these blowouts like "playing this way got us 73 wins so we will just keep doing it" and the games are over in the 1st qtr. 5/25/2016 7:24:30 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
This biggest difference is that they're playing defense. I mean...Adams is great. He's definitely an upgrade over Perkins and Nick Collison (who was solid and is still on the team). But it's not like he's putting up 20 and 10 every game.
It's just that their execution and effort on D has been top notch. And there are no weak links before you get to Kanter. Westbrook/Durant/Ibaka/Adams/Roberson and even Waiters has taken it up a level. The Warriors just can't handle this length and athleticism. 5/25/2016 7:26:44 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Cavs will win by 12+ tonight. LeBron probably has a triple double at home. 5/25/2016 8:46:42 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Gsw has to slow down the pace. You don't wanna try to run with okc 5/25/2016 8:59:21 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Probably true, which would have been a crazy thing to say at the beginning of this series.
Problem is that they have a real problem against OKC's half court defense. Again, not something you would have thought at the beginning of the series.
Bottom line, GSW have to find a way to be semi competitive on the boards ans/or shoot like normal from 3. 5/25/2016 9:05:12 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
most of these playoff games are over in the 1st qtr 5/25/2016 9:17:26 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Adams might be the best all around big man in the game right now... just a monster. He is getting awfully banged up though. That could kill them against cleveland. What a great job he's done guarding curry.
You gotta remember cleveland doesn't have a lot of worthless offensive players like bogut and barnes. Though they may be forced to play Shumpert some
Gsw defense has not been good. Kyrie will not guard rwb they will hide him on roberson. They will either use Delly, shump, or lebron at times on westbrook possibly.
Okc kinda looks like the favorites because they can defend the perimeter but lebron can get penetration that the warriors haven't been able to thus far. Also you can't leave Frye or love wide open like you can bogut and green.
Durant shot has been kinda off for most of the postseason and he hasn't done well with lebron checking him historically. Thompson can bang with adams.
And lol at westbrook telling Donovan to get kanter donkey ass out of the game last night 5/25/2016 9:19:55 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
Lebron might have a quadruple double if they count each time he complains about not being fouled 5/25/2016 9:35:21 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Toronto is playing like they are in a foreign country. 5/25/2016 9:44:28 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
^^hate hate hate hate 5/25/2016 9:45:32 PM |
Kickstand All American 11596 Posts user info edit post |
^^ where did you copy that from? 5/25/2016 9:51:52 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
^^I mean, it's true 5/25/2016 10:02:44 PM |
Kickstand All American 11596 Posts user info edit post |
^ he does complain an awful lot for a big dude 5/25/2016 10:11:30 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
I can't remember a more boring playoffs in any other year, in any other sport. Every game is a blow out. The most exciting player in the league has been unremarkable. And the amount of complaining after every call is at an all time high. SAD!! 5/25/2016 10:26:07 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
It is weird. Competitive series, blowout games. 5/25/2016 10:35:44 PM |
dyne All American 7323 Posts user info edit post |
i think everyone was hoping for a heat/cavs playoffs though. with whiteside going down and valaniutas also (sp.) that skewed the heat/raptors series. realistically we assumed GS would run the table.
however, i think russell westbrook had a case for being MVP. guy is a monster and decimater. he's stephen curry with the added ability to drive the lane and make plays. i'd hoped that anyone who follows NBA would have guessed OKC had a realistic shot at a title this year.
Cleveland looks good, real good. they have some hot shooters and with a healthy irving/love i think they have a realistic shot. i think an OKC/Cleveland series will be the best finals we've seen since the miami/spurs back in 2013.
I'm honestly surprised westbrook didn't even get 1 vote for the MVP. watching him play in the western conference finals, he looks like a transcendent.
[Edited on May 25, 2016 at 10:38 PM. Reason : .] 5/25/2016 10:36:12 PM |
shoot All American 7611 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " I actually think it will be about the same as when the Heat beat OKC." |
I think so too. CLE has a new big 3 leading by the same guy. 4 yrs already!5/25/2016 10:40:57 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
lol at those raptors fans dancing and cheering outside the arena watching the game on tv, down 40 points 5/25/2016 10:47:09 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "he's stephen curry with the added ability to drive the lane and make plays" |
they are not even close to being alike
their games could not be any more different5/25/2016 10:52:22 PM |
dyne All American 7323 Posts user info edit post |
^ really? curry is literally a shooter, while westbrook is more of a lane driver. i've seen curry drive the lane a few times but he's weaker at making 2-pointers than westbrook is. if it were up to me, i'd say westbrook is the better athlete overall. 5/25/2016 10:59:32 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Well no shit westbrook is the most athletic guard of all time and there isnt a close 2nd 5/26/2016 12:16:17 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
what an ignorant comment
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 12:52 AM. Reason : i mean is he any more athletic than john wall for example] 5/26/2016 12:51:42 AM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
He probably is the most ahtletic PG ever. If you include SGs he moves down the list, but he's still top 10, maybe top 5. He's a much better athlete than Wall, and I love John Wall. However, he's probably as fast with the ball but he's much stronger and explosive by a wide margin.
Yeah, comparing him to Steph is crazy, they almost couldn't be more different. As several people in the media have pointed out this week, if Steph isn't shooting well he's not that useful. He's not a great defender, he's not a real drive and kick threat, and he isn't a pass first creator (he's not bad at it, but he's not great at it). When he is shooting well Golden State is a transcendent team because of everything his shooting opens up.
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 1:16 AM. Reason : sdfsf] 5/26/2016 1:14:04 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
Curry is Federer, Westbook is Nadal
Curry is as fluid as anyone has ever been. Westbrook is as athletic/aggressive as anyone has ever been.
Curry finds insane ways/angles to get by, whereas Westbrook is ecstatic to run you the fuck over
etc... 5/26/2016 1:41:08 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Curry led the league in field goal percentage around the basket he's like 67%.
As amazing as westbrook is as a driver a lot of times he falls down and it leads to a basket st the other end.
Curry is hurt you could obviously tell he can't finish in this series that's why they keep switching on him.
He had 1 three pointer blocked in 2 years and he had 2 this series 5/26/2016 3:38:28 AM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Curry led the league in field goal percentage around the basket he's like 67%. " |
Yes, that's true, and he can finish in traffic, but Westbrook is a much better driver. Westbrook averages 10 drives per game compared to Steph doing 6.5 per game. Westbrook scores 6.1 pts/game on drives and scores on 61% of his drives compared to Steph scoring 3.3 pts/game and scoring on 50% of his drives.
Steph gets a lot of easy layups off of back cuts, picknrolls, etc. Westbrook attacks more.
http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1
I agree about his health, he's still not at 100%, but that's sort of a "who gives a shit" to me. It's the playoffs, almost no one is totally healthy.
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 5:02 AM. Reason : safsfd]5/26/2016 5:00:27 AM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
that video of Kyle Lowry looking at the box score brings the lulz
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/kyle-lowry-toronto-raptors-box-score-052616 5/26/2016 1:47:36 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
That looks like a 2girls1cup reaction. 5/26/2016 1:48:57 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Clearly westbrook is the better athlete but curry isn't just a shooter. He scores in a lot of ways and He's also a good rebounder.
Westbrook also has huge lapses on defense when he gambles or just forgets what he's doing. Or stretches where he throws up bricks...
I'd rather have curry obviously if both are healthy.
Golden states supporting cast is highly overrated. And Kerr has done a bad job in this series.
They got to stop that gimmicky defense, roberson killed them last game.
Also they need to start ezeli. Bogut is hurting them this series. Green is getting absolutely destroyed by okc size.
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 5:17 PM. Reason : A] 5/26/2016 5:02:08 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
Curry is a wizard and Westbrook plays like a bull in a China shop. 5/26/2016 5:10:29 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148440 Posts user info edit post |
So how much more athletic is Westbrook than Zach LaVine? 10x more athletic? 50x more athletic? Since RW is apparently the best athlete ever to play the guard position. 5/26/2016 5:48:56 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Btw those stats you listed were all playoff stats. Steph got hurt in two games. 5/26/2016 5:57:17 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah, you're right. Regular season it was 10.1drives/50.6%/7.1pts for Russ, 6.3/56.5%/5.2pts.
Still, pretty big disparity. Russ is finishing better in the postseason, Steph is doing a worse job finishing. 5/26/2016 6:10:19 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Well yeah he's hurt. He's doing little flips and shit over durant and adams while they clutch and grab him off the ball.
I think a setback in the postseason is just gonna make him stronger for next year. But they need to get him some more help in the offseason
Thunder have a tough decision with waiters and they need to dump kanter somehow before adams is eligible for his max deal
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 6:57 PM. Reason : A] 5/26/2016 6:46:55 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Derozan or batum will be a huge upgrade from barnes but i think they should go after jefferson 5/26/2016 6:59:17 PM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
I'm sure you're kidding about jefferson he can't shoot threes, defend or rebound. Doesn't add anything.
Batum is resigning in charlotte and derozan is not a 3 pt shooter. They don't need batums playmaking or bad defense.
They need a more mobile big man. Ezeli is perfect if he could just stay healthy. Too risky for the money though in my opinion.
As crazy as it sounds to rebuild a 73 win team i would do it. I wouldn't want to lock guys like barnes up to big deals and risk ruining curry/thompson prime title contending years. 5/26/2016 7:28:50 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
They dont really need more shooters. They need someone who can draw two defenders to the paint so they can cut down the turnovers. 5/26/2016 8:26:53 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
this shit is crazy. how can these teams be so different from game to game. gsw are kinda wasting it by not rebounding though. 5/26/2016 9:17:46 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
lol draymond gives 0 fucks
gsw gave up 9 extra shots in the first qtr. you don't really stand a chance of winning a game where a team gets 3 possessions for every 2 of yours.
[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 9:30 PM. Reason : they should be up a lot more] 5/26/2016 9:25:57 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
curry has been out for a long time they must be lying about him being 100 with barbosa getting some of his minutes. 5/26/2016 9:36:27 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
Lol @ Speights keeping the Ws alive 5/26/2016 9:42:30 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
i told you they should have been playing speights all along. 5/26/2016 9:46:17 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
historically, he's played well against OKC
he's terrible on defense though
looks like Curry is starting to roll, so we will see what happens. 5/26/2016 9:49:04 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
whelp, now they're done
bullshit tech ruins any chance they had to win a game in OKC 5/26/2016 10:22:19 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
what? 5/26/2016 10:30:01 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
DG got a tech for fouling Durant on a 3 pointer, so he will be suspended IF there's a game six. I mean I guess he had it coming, but I saw zero reason for a tech. 5/26/2016 10:32:20 PM |