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"2) It's all Sid's players. You don't see any of his guys being anywhere near the headcase that either Costner or Fells were."

Thank God this is no longer a viable excuse. Regardless, if we are bottom three in ACC again, I think he should go.

4/23/2009 1:30:48 PM

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"Regardless, if we are bottom three in ACC again, I think he should go."

This is a good talking point. What should be expectations of Lowe in his fourth year and when should we say enough is enough. As you all know I reached my breaking point with Lowe at the end of this year.

For a lot of people it's to not be in the bottom 3 of the ACC again, and I've heard others who expect lofty goals such as making the NCAA tournament.

4/23/2009 1:38:24 PM

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"As you all know I reached my breaking point with Lowe at the end of this year."

you sure you didn't reach it when he was hired?

4/23/2009 1:44:19 PM

^ don't take the bait

4/23/2009 1:45:19 PM

at least be honest ohboyee. your first posts in sports talk (way back in the fall) were anti-lowe. maybe you hadn't been "broken" yet, but they were definitely negative.

4/23/2009 2:02:21 PM

I'm pretty sure he was dumping on Lowe with his previous usernames too.

It's like he's a troll or something!

4/23/2009 2:04:14 PM

Yeah I defend Sid through his first full years b/c he was playing with a roster which did not contain all of HIS recruits..

so for the 2009-2010 season Sidney your squad better bring it!! I dont want to hear we dont have a quality PG, big man, yada yada...you want an uptempo, team where even your bigs can handle the ball...well 2009-2010 will be the year where the NCSU and ACC world really see what your credentials are-b/c each guy on our roster will be one of yours.

The 19th ranked incoming class is only as good as the big man leading on the bench and how well the guys use the instruction they are given,

Ill be rooting for you Sid, and hope the guys display the talent I 'think' you posses.

GO PACK!!

4/23/2009 2:13:52 PM

Quote :

"at least be honest ohboyee. your first posts in sports talk (way back in the fall) were anti-lowe. maybe you hadn't been "broken" yet, but they were definitely negative."

well, let's just say I wasn't as optimistic with my posts as some who claim to "know basketball" were through out the year, and my posts became more and more anti-lowe towards the end of the year. Please don't read into this that I don't want Lowe to succeed, because I really do. I'm just calling a spade a spade, and hopefully I'll be proven wrong.

And what the hell are you babbling about Ernie, what were my other screen names that I was using to dump on Lowe? I'll go ahead and tell you, there were no other "aliases" of me dumping on Lowe, so please take your baseless conjecture else where.

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 2:20 PM. Reason : []

4/23/2009 2:19:04 PM

Oh fuck sake give it rest guys. Nobody cares when OhBoyee started hating on Lowe. And if you do, then you seriously need to get a freakin' life. Like now. Seriously. Shut the computer down, stand up, and go somewhere without an internet connection. Stay there until you've come up with 3 or more other things to do that don't involve lame pwn attempts on TWW. You will thank me, I guarantee it.


The upcoming bball season is critical. Lowe has used up almost all of the goodwill from State's fanbase. Even he admits that he's had a rough go of it so far. Some of it is explainable, rationalizations and optimism only go so far. Lowe has no choice but to get results on the court, and get them NOW.

What concerns me is the current recruiting class. This is a very solid group, but with Lowe in hot water they're going to have to produce immediately. Brown needs to be the playmaker. Howell has to be that 2nd post presence to ease the burden on Smith. Wood has to be the dead-eye shooter he's billed to be.

Given time, I'm have very high expectations for this group. But can they produce in year 1? That's a tougher question to ask. At this point I just hope they all live up to the hype. I honestly like Lowe and believe he could be the guy that down the road leads State back into the national conversation... but next year is put up or shutup time.

God willing Lowe will find a way.

4/23/2009 5:32:02 PM

^ thank you.. in some weird way. I mean the obsession people have with me supposedly trolling is ridiculous. At least you and a select few other will talk about the issues.

And to your point, you likely don't have to worry. I think Lowe will get next year and likely a 5th year as well. We all know how Fowler stood by Amato and Sendek during their worst days. It'd take a big donor to call for Lowe's head, and I don't think it'll come to blows like that.

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 5:52 PM. Reason : []

4/23/2009 5:52:39 PM

Quote :

"And what the hell are you babbling about Ernie, what were my other screen names that I was using to dump on Lowe? I'll go ahead and tell you, there were no other "aliases" of me dumping on Lowe, so please take your baseless conjecture else where."

There's a gunzz post in here somewhere about your previous usernames.

I'll believe the guy with access to the session list.

4/23/2009 5:53:19 PM

^ yeah I've had previous names, but I don't believe I posted under sports talk. If so it wasn't to deceive, but the name I was posting with at that time. So chill out and quit crying foul.

4/23/2009 5:59:01 PM

I can't imagine what could have happened to those other names... could they have been suspended?

BUT WHY?!

4/23/2009 6:00:37 PM

Ernie, get back to me when you grow up or sober up. In the mean time I think everyone with a Golo account should post comments directly to John Wall on this article as I don't think it could hurt. Those GOLO message boards are infested with Carolina fans, probably due to their recent success. They disappeared for a week after the UNC/State game last fall though.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/college_basketball/story/5013110/

4/23/2009 6:20:09 PM

How has this not been posted

Quote :

"Lowe staying put at NC State Thursday, April 23, 2009 | Print Entry NC State coach Sidney Lowe said he expects he'll get a phone call from new Washington Wizards head coach and good friend Flip Saunders about being an assistant on his staff. He said he has already heard from another team, offering a similar position. It makes sense, given Lowe's background in the NBA. He was an assistant in the NBA for the Minnesota Timberwolves three different times, twice for Saunders. He was also an assistant with Saunders in his last season in the NBA in Detroit in 2005-06. Lowe also served as an assistant with the Cleveland Cavaliers and was the head coach of the Vancouver/Memphis Grizzlies during 2001-03 and did a one-season stint as head coach of Minnesota in 1993-94. But that may be where the flirtation ends as far as returning to the NBA is concerned for Lowe, who is entering his fourth year as NC State's head coach. At least that's certainly the perception Lowe is giving at this juncture. He's passionate about turning his alma mater back into an elite NCAA program and competing with nearby ACC rivals North Carolina, Duke and Wake Forest. "I know I'm going to get the phone call," Lowe said. "But this is where I am. [Saunders] is not the only one who is going to call. One has already called. But there's so much here. I love working with young men, teaching them and preparing them for the world." Lowe said he received another year on his contract so that means he has four years left on the original six-year contract with the Wolfpack. "Flip is my guy but I've got a contract here and this is my first time really starting over here," Lowe said. "We've got a great opportunity now and we're moving in the right direction." Lowe said he has found gratification in hearing from former Wolfpack players, including going up to Philadelphia to see former NC State forward J.J. Hickson play with the Cavaliers on April 15. Hickson didn't play but Lowe enjoyed being there for him. "I surprised him that I was there," Lowe said, "That's rewarding for me, to see him go on and do well." Lowe was a fan favorite to replace Herb Sendek four seasons ago because of his ties to the Wolfpack's dream run to the NCAA tournament title in 1983. His first season started out with a 5-11 record in the ACC that ended with a run to the ACC tournament title with wins over then-ranked teams Duke and Virginia before losing in the title game to North Carolina. That run got the Wolfpack an NIT berth and they reached the quarterfinals before finishing with a 20-16 record. NC State has struggled since with injuries to its rotation of point guards and then the odd chemistry mix two seasons ago with a star in Hickson and returning players Brandon Costner and Ben McCauley. The Wolfpack finished 4-12 in the ACC, 15-16 overall, losing in the first round of the ACC tournament in Lowe's second year. This past season, NC State ended 6-10 in the ACC, 16-14 overall before losing in the first round of the ACC tournament to Maryland. McCauley and Courtney Fells were seniors and are gone. Costner has another year of eligibility but graduated. He declared for the NBA draft and Lowe said Costner isn't returning. "He said he doesn't want to stay around since he graduated," Lowe said. "He told me he wants to get on with his life." The Wolfpack now have one player, rising senior forward Dennis Horner, who wasn't recruited by Lowe's staff. Returnees Julius Mays, Kendall Smith, C.J. Williams, Johnny Thomas and Javier Gonzalez were Lowe's players. The Wolfpack knocked off Miami in overtime at home last season on Mays' 3-pointer with 2.6 seconds left. The freshman guard ended averaging 4.7 points a game, but had 18 points in the loss to Maryland in the ACC tourney in Atlanta. NC State also beat Wake Forest and Boston College at home later in the season. Lowe is expecting newcomers Lorenzo Brown (ninth-ranked shooting guard on ESPN's Scouts Inc.), Scott Wood (34th-ranked shooting guard) and Richard Howell (20th-ranked power forward) to contribute immediately. "I'm excited to get these young guys in here and see how much better we're going to be, see how more mature Mays will be who led us in the ACC tournament game," Lowe said. "We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Julius, C.J. [10 points in Wake win; 16 in a win over Virginia] and Dennis [11 points in BC win]." Lowe said in practice the reserves consistently beat the starters toward the end of last season. "I feel good about that," he said. NC State is still in the John Wall sweepstakes, too. The Raleigh point guard out of Word of God Christian Academy is a program-changer and consistently lists the Wolfpack in the group of schools he is considering. "We're going in the right direction to compete at the level with the schools down the road from here," Lowe said. "To do that you have to have multiple players who can put the ball on the floor and we're getting that. In our conference, Duke and North Carolina have at least three guys on the floor who can handle the basketball without turning it over. You've got to have that." Lowe is trying to upgrade the schedule. The Wolfpack host Florida in a return of a home-and-home series and do return a game at rebuilding Marquette and start a series at Arizona, which is going through a makeover project. Even though two of these three schools likely aren't headed for the NCAA tournament, the Pack need confidence early before ACC play begins. Lowe said he is also committing to the inaugural Diamond Head Classic in Honolulu in December with headline teams USC and UNLV. "

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4092120&name=katz_andy

4/23/2009 11:11:14 PM

^that's fair. Right?

4/23/2009 11:20:22 PM

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"start a series at Arizona"

interesting sub-plot...

4/23/2009 11:22:38 PM

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"Lowe was a fan favorite to replace Herb Sendek four seasons ago because of his ties to the Wolfpack's dream run to the NCAA tournament title in 1983. "

He was? Most people thought he was the only one who would actually take the job and thought it was risky as hell.

4/24/2009 10:51:06 AM

What Ernie posted is just funny to me.

I know he is highly respected as an NBA assistant and rightfully so... but still funny.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 2:03 PM. Reason : sort of like the Herb to Kentucky worries when Pitino left...]

4/24/2009 2:02:46 PM

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"Lowe said he is also committing to the inaugural Diamond Head Classic in Honolulu in December with headline teams USC and UNLV."

Fowler told the N&O that we are not actually playing in Honolulu
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/no-hawaii-for-wolfpack

weird.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM. Reason : . ]

4/24/2009 2:15:22 PM

Does anyone think we have a chance to be in the top 25 polls come next season? And if you say no, then FUCK YOU because we have a 7 foot Australian coming in to play, and you obviously don't know shit about basketball.

4/26/2009 7:29:03 PM

^seriously guy, why?

4/26/2009 7:58:37 PM

Suspend.

4/27/2009 12:05:06 AM

No, OhBoyeee is just portraying nonbiased arguments in appropriate context!

you people

4/27/2009 12:19:50 AM

Pulse of a Fanbase - NC State (by ACCSports.com)

http://www.accsports.com/articles/200905045272/pulse-of-the-fan-base-nc-state.php

They did an interview with a rep from StateFansNation, figured it'd be an interesting read. Here's a few tidbits:

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"ACCSports.com: What’s the general feeling among fans about Sidney Lowe? How much more time do they think he needs/deserves to put his stamp on the program? Are some fans itching to make a change now? State Fans Nation: All fans WANT Coach Lowe to succeed. Some fans have come to the conclusion that he will not be successful. Most fans recognize the need to provide him at least one more season to try. The results of that season could easily merit justification of another season. I truly believe that even the fans that have chosen to conclude that Sidney will not be successful are in support of providing him another season; and anyone who wanted to make a change after this season has surely tabled their ‘itch’ in favor of a more pragmatic approach based on the calendar (early May) and the cycle of the coaching carousel and recruiting season. During a broadcast of a quarterfinal game in the 2005 ACC Tournament, Dick Vitale and Mike Patrick emphatically stated that major programs use a three year standard to judge their coaches. (But, of course, those mean and nasty N.C. State fans are perpetually impatient…right?) The length of the coaching search that finally brought Coach Lowe to Raleigh and the manner in which Mr. Fowler bumbled the transition also had a significant negative impact on the program and disproportionately set Sidney back at least a year. Add to this that Coach Sendek had obvious reasons to choose that particular year to finally jettison himself – his cupboard was bare – and I think it becomes obvious that Vitale’s and major college basketball’s three-year-standard would be too punitive. This is not an excuse nor is it a justification for giving coaches unfairly long opportunities, but all of these issues converge and create a situation where most people recognize that a fourth (and potentially fifth) year is certainly warranted in Coach Lowe’s situation"

Well shit that sounds pretty freakin' familiar. It's almost like it was EXACTLY what I've been saying month and month on this God forsaken thread

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 8:26 AM. Reason : ed]

5/5/2009 8:25:26 AM

two quotes that stick out to me...

Quote :

""Flip is my guy but I've got a contract here and this is my first time really starting over here," Lowe said. "We've got a great opportunity now and we're moving in the right direction." "

(ok...so he acknowledges that this is really his first year with his players and he realizes the expectations that will come with that)

and

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"Costner has another year of eligibility but graduated. He declared for the NBA draft and Lowe said Costner isn't returning. "He said he doesn't want to stay around since he graduated," Lowe said. "He told me he wants to get on with his life." "

that sounds like their relationship was about as dysfunctional as anything...

5/5/2009 8:40:29 AM

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""We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Julius, C.J. [10 points in Wake win; 16 in a win over Virginia] and Dennis [11 points in BC win].""

2/11 W Forest W 82-76  Did Not Play 
2/14 @Ga Tech W 86-65  1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 
2/18 @UNC L 89-80  Did Not Play 
2/21 Virginia W 72-67  Did Not Play 
2/26 @W Forest L 85-78  Did Not Play 
3/1 Maryland L 71-60  Did Not Play 
3/4 BC W 74-69  Did Not Play 
3/7 @Miami L 72-64  Did Not Play 
3/12 @Maryland L 74-69  24 7 15 1 2 3 9 18 2 0 2 2 0 1 0 2 

5/5/2009 9:37:18 AM

^ you're a fucking moron for being so nit picky over one little quote . The gist of what he was saying is true, Mays showed some great potential in that last game and the other two were playing really well in several games down the stretch. He probably just wanted to drop Julius' name to give him some credit for the way he played in the last game.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 10:11:30 AM

Nitpicky?

There wasn't a single thing in the first part of that statement that was even remotely close to being true.

He might as well have been talking about Julius Hodge.

5/5/2009 11:09:13 AM

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"He probably just wanted to drop Julius' name to give him some credit for the way he played in the last game."

Then again, he is probably a liar piece of shit. You are right guys, i have seen the light.

5/5/2009 11:13:47 AM

^^^^Who's stats did you post there? Julius, CJ, or Horner. That quote references all three, not just one player.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM. Reason : *]

I assume Julius. He played in a couple down the strech, the other two CJ/Horner played in more, but that doesnt make the bolded part untrue.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 11:25 AM. Reason : **]

5/5/2009 11:23:53 AM

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"Nitpicky? There wasn't a single thing in the first part of that statement that was even remotely close to being true."

yes you're being a nitpicky faggot.

as ^ pointed out, the quote was referring to three players. Mays did only play in one game at the end of the season, but he played lights out, and Sid was just giving him credit for that. Please remove your head from your ass and go find a dreidel to play with or some shit.

5/5/2009 11:31:10 AM

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"Add to this that Coach Sendek had obvious reasons to choose that particular year to finally jettison himself – his cupboard was bare – and I think it becomes obvious that Vitale’s and major college basketball’s three-year-standard would be too punitive."

Sigh. Still have to bash Herb. I am sure he left because he thought he didn't have any talent coming back.

5/5/2009 11:55:16 AM

Sigh. Still have to defend Herb.

At what point do you just say it's not worth your time anymore?

5/5/2009 11:58:32 AM

I guess at the point the pointless bashing stops?

I mean really. Herb had a decent class coming in, not to mention a big time PG for the following year. He didn't leave because of lack of talent.

5/5/2009 11:59:47 AM

We probably would have been a border line NCAA type team which would have done nothing to quell the anger at Sendek that year...

I'd say 7-9 is the absolute best case scenario this coming year and a NIT bid... So I can't justify riding him as hard as the OhBoyee types will this year.

I fully expect to be a lock in the NCAA Tourney in two years though, should things continue the way they have on the recruiting trail (this is with the expectation that Lowe is even a passable college coach -- which the jury is still out on).

5/5/2009 12:14:40 PM

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"I assume Julius. He played in a couple down the strech, the other two CJ/Horner played in more, but that doesnt make the bolded part untrue."

Yes, they're Mays' stats. He played in two of the final 9 games; the only one that the team actually won was when he "played" 1 minute. Meaning that saying we "won games down the stretch with great play from him" would be completely and utterly untrue.

Let me break this down for you: Down the "stretch", where we won games, he didn't play at all.

Quote :

"as ^ pointed out, the quote was referring to three players. Mays did only play in one game at the end of the season, but he played lights out, and Sid was just giving him credit for that. Please remove your head from your ass and go find a dreidel to play with or some shit."

No, he wasn't giving him credit for that. If he was, he would've said "Julius played great when I actually decided to let him play" (which he actually did the sentence beforehand!). Instead, he gave him credit for things he did not do. He specifically mentions "playing down the stretch in wins" which, again, Mays did not do. Maybe while I'm playing with my dreidel you could learn to read.

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 12:22:57 PM

^his contributions to the team in practices down the stretch is most certainly valuable and helps the teams success.

5/5/2009 2:15:15 PM

Quote :

"^his contributions to the team in practices down the stretch is most certainly valuable and helps the teams success."

Did you fail reading comprehension too? Lets try this again:

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"We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Julius"

On what planet does "play in games" equal "contributions in practice"?

5/5/2009 2:20:59 PM

looks like you failed. you're reading into things

julius makes the team better wether he's on the court or not. his contributions to the team in practice help the team get better and win games. he played well for us in the tournament too. that's "in a game".

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : have fun]

5/5/2009 2:22:30 PM

Wait, did you say that HE is reading in to things after YOU said this:

Quote :

"^his contributions to the team in practices down the stretch is most certainly valuable and helps the teams success."

I'm confused.

*** It was an odd quote. I mean Julius played great the last game so he probably just lumped him in with the other two, but still...

5/5/2009 2:27:41 PM

^^

I'm reading the words that are on the screen.

The exact words that do not, in any way, match up to any sort of fact.

Imagine if that sentence was:

Quote :

"We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Kaycee Obi-Gwacham"

Quote :

"We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Spencer Greenway"

Quote :

"We were winning games down the stretch with great play from Enrico Kufuor"

Because they'd be exactly as factual.

5/5/2009 2:30:49 PM

either way it's ridiculous to over analyze it.

it can mean many things. i think it's fair to mention julius because he did bring a lot to the team whether he got minutes in those games or not.

5/5/2009 2:31:10 PM

Kent Copeland was the secret weapon in UNC's title run didn't you know that?

5/5/2009 2:32:20 PM

Stein, you seem to be a little angry. Please, take a deep breath, relax, and reflect for a minute. Perhaps then you will realize how completely trivial this argument truly is. Lowe was trying to give credit to three players for stepping up down the stretch. That's all. Yes, Mays arguably contributed the least of the three. Does that mean Lowe was wrong to praise him? No.

Here's what happened. You read the quote, saw May's name listed first, and took the opportunity to bash Lowe for saying something "stupid." You completely forgot or neglected the fact that two other players were mentioned. When you got called out on it, you refused to admit the slip have (as a result) starting such an inane flame war that none of can enjoy OhBoyeee's suspension.

In other words:

1) Who the fuck cares
2) Chill the fuck out

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 2:34 PM. Reason : e]

5/5/2009 2:33:59 PM

it's fun to look for little things to complain about isn't it

5/5/2009 2:36:29 PM

Quote :

"You read the quote, saw May's name listed first, and took the opportunity to bash Lowe for saying something "stupid." You completely forgot or neglected the fact that two other players were mentioned. When you got called out on it"

Completely forgot the fact? Dumbass, I went in and purposefully bolded the part that I found amusing because it was so completely and utterly incorrect. It was supposed to be a joke, but somehow Team "Lowe Isn't A Shit Coach" decided that he had to be defended at any and all costs.

How you can have your head so far up his ass that you can't even admit he made a statement that was completely and utterly incorrect is befuckingwildering.

I forgot that the general tone of this thread is that whenever we haven't lost a game in a while the Lowe circlejerk resumes. Good thing it's the offseason, I guess.

5/5/2009 2:44:29 PM

I don't think he was looking for anything. I think he saw a quote from a head coach, crediting a non-contributer with helping us win games, and thought that was a pretty silly thing to say. The one game Mays played in at the end of the season, we lost! He didn't help us win shit "down the stretch", he didn't even fucking play

5/5/2009 2:44:53 PM

Quote :

"it's fun to look for little things to complain about isn't it"

5/5/2009 2:50:26 PM

set em up

5/5/2009 2:51:16 PM