Ultimate Bet is offering a 100% redeposit bonus through the 18th.

10/15/2006 5:39:37 PM

Yeah. I did my reload just for the hell of it, but the bonus dollars take fucking forever to convert.

10/15/2006 5:49:00 PM

Yeah, but I love how they get released at any incriment though.

10/15/2006 5:52:28 PM

Full Tilt bonus is better.. they have 50% up to $500 right now

10/15/2006 8:35:41 PM

Do you think UBs is easier to clear? Ive played on FT alot, but havent had a bonus on there in awhile, I just remember it being a bitch to clear.

10/15/2006 8:55:24 PM

i hated clearing Full Tilt's bonus

10/15/2006 9:07:07 PM

Yeah, me too. Like I posted, I just love UBs because it gets released every time you leave the table, and its easy as hell to track while you are at the table.

10/15/2006 9:22:11 PM

Yeah, I've heard ft's bonus is even worse. Fucking based on total rake taken.

10/15/2006 10:17:26 PM

ub and ft both sucked bonus weise

10/15/2006 11:09:44 PM

You can make $10 or $15 per hour in FT bonus if you can 4-table .5/1nl or 1/2nl respectively, more if you play 6-max.. UB clears considerably slower at $6 or $10 per hour at the same limits.


Unfortunately, given the current state of affairs, FT bonus is looking pretty good. I hope to move up to 2/4nl within 3 or 4 months and get on the rakeback train, cause bonus whoring has taken a serious hit with the loss of ongame and others.

10/15/2006 11:32:05 PM

7, 7, 10 on the flop.

Im holding a 10, 8 Offsuit.

I bet 500 (10 & 20 blinds)
Fold
FOld
Fold
Call. (1 caller)

turn comes around, its another 7.

I check, he Raises like 1000.

I call thinking im suckering him in...

River is a 3.

So im sitting on a full house.. And i raise 2k, and he puts me all in.

Quad fucking 7s.

10/16/2006 12:49:29 AM

gotta pay off quads every time in a situation like that online.

10/16/2006 12:52:04 AM

Quote :

"7, 7, 10 on the flop. Im holding a 10, 8 Offsuit. I bet 500 (10 & 20 blinds) Fold FOld Fold Call. (1 caller) turn comes around, its another 7. I check, he Raises like 1000. I call thinking im suckering him in... River is a 3. So im sitting on a full house.. And i raise 2k, and he puts me all in. Quad fucking 7s."

What in the world do you think he has here? Put yourself in his shoes. What would make you bet that way? He calls on the flop, which should have sent warning signals right away. Why would he call? I can think of about 7 reasons for a call here:
1. He has the 7 and he is slow-playing the shit out of you.
2. He has the 7 but he is nervous about his kicker.
3. He has a 10 but he is afraid of the 7.
4. He limped in with an overpair and is afraid of the 7.
5. He limped in with an underpair.
6. He is calling with overs, or on some kind of draw (89, maybe a flush draw?)
7. He is setting up a bluff.

OK, he bets about the pot on the turn, what can we eliminate?
1-2. You're obviously fucked.
3. You're now calling for half the pot. Always a bad play.
4. Once again, you're fucked.
5. You win. Yay!
6. You're way ahead (if he's on a flush or a straight draw, he's done.) Yay!
7. You're obviously not errr... seasoned enough to lay down this "monster", so once again, if he's bluffing, you win. Yay!
I can see leading out with 1000 in ANY of the above scenarios, basically to either sucker some chips out or to see where he stands, so IMO, your (weak) call here tells me nothing about his hand. Thus we eliminate nothing.

The river. Seriously. I don't mind the stab at the pot, but after his reraise, you HAVE to be able to know that at the very best, you're splitting the pot with this guy, and odds are, you're probably losing the hand.

So, you ask, what could you have done differently? First of all, you WAY overbet the pot to start out. For 10/20 blinds (and I am assuming no raises, because if there were raises and you're playing 10/8 offsuit, you really are a douche) then throw out a small feeler bet.... like maybe 125 or so. Don't commit yourself to an unraised, pointless pot with a marginal hand. Secondly, after the call of this enourmous overbet, alarms and sirens have to be going off. If not, you need a new security system. A good poker player does not call a bet like 5 times the size of the pot with a flop of 10/7/7 without a strong hand. After he bet on the turn, you're play is to fold. You made a stupid bet on the flop, but seriously, you gotta bail out there. Even if he is bluffing with 2/3 offsuit, it's not worth it, because 90% of the time here, you're in trouble. He suckered you in hook/line/sinker. Don't be "that guy" who won't fold top pair, or who plays 10/8 offsuit to the grave. That guy is a douche, and will likely go home broke every night.

10/16/2006 2:23:26 AM

Yeah... what he said.

10/16/2006 6:09:32 AM

Ditto. Especially bad play on the river. Reminds me of those people who raise when they have a 2 and the board is 3456. The only thing they are thinking is whooopededoooooooo I have a straight.

10/16/2006 7:41:18 AM

i didnt read the hand

all i saw was quad 7s on the river


what they said

10/16/2006 8:58:59 AM

Quote :

"Don't be "that guy" who won't fold top pair"

Shhhhhhhhhhh! Quiet Jim! I've got bills to pay....

10/16/2006 9:43:59 AM

Lol
I guess assumed i was going to be splitting the pot, so since he was big stack, i figured i would at least make a few more chips on calling him... even after he initialy called me.

When the 7 came around, i was thinking (There's no way he has quad sevens) so i assumed once again that i had a decent chance at splitting the pot.
when he put me all in, i thought he was holding a 10.. in which case i was looking forward to getting more chips, there were no flush draws on the board.
i guess i should have just been more attentive.

10/16/2006 9:55:47 AM

Quote :

"I guess assumed i was going to be splitting the pot, so since he was big stack, i figured i would at least make a few more chips on calling him"

Quote :

"i thought he was holding a 10.. in which case i was looking forward to getting more chips"

Please explain.

[Edited on October 16, 2006 at 10:22 AM. Reason : quote]

10/16/2006 10:21:33 AM

^i'd like the explanation as well.

^^the only chips you would actually gain, would be 30, a split of the 60 chips put in by those who folded

10/16/2006 10:48:11 AM

when does pkr usually start on mondays, ive never been there early

10/16/2006 5:50:44 PM

used to try to start up around 7

10/16/2006 6:27:42 PM

Are there any more TWW online games in the works? I finally have a funded Full Tilt account now.

10/16/2006 6:30:16 PM

nothing is planned as of yet that i know of.

they never really worked out, never gathered more than like 7 people.

meh

10/16/2006 6:33:50 PM

Had the biggest day of poker in my life today, +$1205 at the 1/2nl tables

10/17/2006 12:33:06 AM

gg

10/17/2006 12:35:41 AM

one would think it would be more than that considering all the poker I play, but I'm a grinder and my biggest mtt cash is only 770





[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 12:46 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2006 12:36:41 AM

gj justin.

10/17/2006 8:59:35 AM

oO


i thought about something that happened last weekend that I'd like to bring to the table here.

2/5 NL (dont ask why im playing this, i hate hate hate no limit seeing as how i blow so much ass at it, but needed a change and the only limit games were too tough at the time.. like 5am)

It's a good table. In the last hour ive been stuck in a situation with top full vs. quads, and still am up over $500. lots of action, a guy on mega tilt (who coincidentally keeps overbuying the maximum, but noone says a word, lol), and a resident addrenaline monkey who loves to put his stack in with OESDs and FDs.

UTG folds

Gramps (a 5/10 nl regular, have no real reads, just seen him playing a lot) sits in and posts UTG+1, fresh rack of 100 $5 chips.

tiltometer limps behind gramps.

tighty folds.

ultratalkative nerd beside me who was telling me about how he names his cats after star trek characters limps (one time worf brought home a squirrel.. blha blah blah shut up)

i limp with 77 OTB

Sb completes, BB checks,

flop Kd Qh 7s

bing. check, check gramps bets $35, folds to me, i make it $135

folds to him, he calls.

turn is a 2c

he check calls $200

river is a 6d

he checks, i turn to the dealer and say "all in"

The dealer acknowledges it, and turns to gramps

(a bit of background, gramps is in hte 8 seat, quite a ways fromt he dealer)

gramps makes no sound, no motion to his chips, opens up his hand and tosses it face up. he tosses them towards the dealer, towards the board. one of the cards is touching on of the board cards. keep in mind he never signalled an action in any ways. never said "call, fold" anything. never touched his chips, never waved an all in motion, nothing.

now seeing as how im beat, i mucked.

josh, the dealer i kinda know, shot me this really really strange look...

after dealing the next hand he said: "that pot was yours if you wouldnt have mucked"

from talking to him later, he basically said that it was his interpretation that since no action was announced, and the hand was thrown towards him, that constituted a fold, and therefore the hand was dead. but me mucking my hand killed my hand legitmately, not on a technicality. if i had only held on to my hand, his actions would have been considered folding since he never announced or motioned an action, and tossed his cards "to within my reach, and near the muck and board, similar to a standard fold"

now i realize no one is folding 2nd set there, but it got me thinking

about an hour later i went and talked to the floor to see what his take on it was.

his take was that if he was dealing, the act of exposign your hand does not kill your hand in a cash game (at borgata), but the action of tossing them in was deemed questionable. he would have given the player the option as to what to do, call or fold, saying that the hand was not over since the cards were only exposed, so his action was still open, despite the fact there was a distinct folding action that had transpired.

what's your take? (bgmimms esp.)

10/17/2006 9:15:44 AM

I was under the impression if your cards come into contact with any other cards then your hand is dead. I remember when Rooper would always try to muck his hand into mine so it would be dead too. Probably different at every casino though.

10/17/2006 9:22:56 AM

forgot to mention it was QQ he exposed.

^that was my impression too, but apparently its not always the case at the borgata hotel casino resort spa night club and light show extravaganza

id like to see an official passage from robert's


and david, by it touching the board, by like a corner.

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 9:28 AM. Reason : e]

10/17/2006 9:27:57 AM

Quote :

"I was under the impression if your cards come into contact with any other cards then your hand is dead. I remember when Rooper would always try to muck his hand into mine so it would be dead too. Probably different at every casino though."

Haha!!! I remember that. If you weren't paying attention he would zip his cards across the table... that shit made me laugh. Man those were the days.

10/17/2006 9:40:40 AM

Quote :

"and david, by it touching the board, by like a corner"

I've only seen this happen once during an all in and the player had had a card touching lost so it didn't really matter. If it was just a corner they would have to be really anal to enforce it, or the player could just pull their card back an inch and dispute it once the floorman got there. I wish casinos had all the rules posted somewhere so I would know this shit before it happened.

10/17/2006 10:55:10 AM

Quote :

"I wish casinos had all the rules posted somewhere so I would know this shit before it happened. "

exactly.

by talking to josh, it sounded like i could have disputed it at the time, and been awarded the pot by him. (it was ~ $1k)

but, im sure a dispute would have broken out, and the floor at the time was the one i talked to about it, and im sure that i would not be awarded the pot if the floor got involved.

gray areas suck

10/17/2006 11:03:24 AM

Pilgrim, it makes me that you asked for my take

Quote :

"his take was that if he was dealing, the act of exposign your hand does not kill your hand in a cash game (at borgata), but the action of tossing them in was deemed questionable. he would have given the player the option as to what to do, call or fold, saying that the hand was not over since the cards were only exposed, so his action was still open, despite the fact there was a distinct folding action that had transpired. "

This is a cardroom specific choice. Apparantly at the Borgata (nice place I hear) he can expose his cards without constituting a fold. If that's the case, him flipping his cards makes no difference in this situation (as you have already noted). The problem here is the movement of the cards towards the dealer. I mean, the cards went forward enough that they came into contact with the community cards, so even though he was in seat 8, they came forward at least 5 or 6 inches.

If I were dealing that hand, his would be dead. I might have asked "Sir, what's your action?" but I would only give him a few seconds before declaring his hand dead.

Here's what Robert would tell you:

Section 2-1: 1. Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strictinterpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling.

So even given what I'm about to say, the dealer/floor could have made the opposite ruling.

Section 3: Dead Hands 1(b): You throw your hand away in a forward motion causing another player to actbehind you (even if not facing a bet).

That's the ruling I would have stuck with as the management/floor. That hand is dead because it caused you to act and it was in a forward motion.

Either way, the ruling would have been acceptable, but you have to ask before the cards rifle for the next deal. You should have asked for a decision in this case, but in the spirit of the game you may have let it go and taken the loss.

10/17/2006 11:19:54 AM

thanks mims

i just dumped all my stars fpps on 5 books, 6 mugs, and 2 jackets.

10/17/2006 6:03:33 PM

Their coffee mugs are the nuts


And I seriously doubt you would have been awarded that pot by the floor against a old 5/10 regular, unless they really hate him

10/17/2006 6:10:14 PM

ell

ohh

elll


im gonna either ebay these bitches or rock it hard.

ahah

10/17/2006 7:19:32 PM

What poker network is WSEX part of? It looks like another Prima skin.

10/17/2006 7:20:35 PM

wtf was this?

dickin' around in this tournament with hish...


Table '33918743 5' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: crook04 (1145 in chips)
Seat 2: nosdoog (1895 in chips)
Seat 3: chukkieblack (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: pilgrimshoes (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: amforce (1745 in chips)
Seat 6: SundropMan (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: TEDDYRUXPEN (940 in chips)
Seat 8: rubino_nick (695 in chips)
Seat 9: JinxHexWhamy (4805 in chips)
rubino_nick: posts small blind 25
JinxHexWhamy: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [7d 9c]
crook04: folds
nosdoog: folds
chukkieblack: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises 100 to 150
amforce: calls 150
SundropMan: folds
TEDDYRUXPEN: folds
rubino_nick: folds
JinxHexWhamy: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [9h Kc 7h]
JinxHexWhamy: checks
pilgrimshoes: bets 250
amforce: raises 250 to 500
JinxHexWhamy: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises 2130 to 2630 and is all-in
amforce: calls 1095 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9h Kc 7h] [6s]
pilgrimshoes said, "awesome"
*** RIVER *** [9h Kc 7h 6s] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [7d 9c] (two pair, Nines and Sevens)
amforce: shows [7s 2s] (a pair of Sevens)
amforce is sitting out
pilgrimshoes collected 3665 from pot

10/17/2006 8:28:33 PM

Quote :

"Ticks 10475029-81204 Holdem No Limit $0.25/$0.50 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Hand Start. [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Seat 1 : mahendra has $35.08 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Seat 2 : OSULU has $63.81 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Seat 4 : diablo31x has $19 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Seat 5 : stokedgecko has $116.99 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : Seat 6 : lancer123 has $37.01 [Oct 18 00:55:50] : mahendra is the dealer. [Oct 18 00:55:51] : OSULU posted small blind. [Oct 18 00:55:51] : diablo31x posted big blind. [Oct 18 00:55:51] : Game [81204] started with 5 players. [Oct 18 00:55:51] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Oct 18 00:55:51] : Seat 5 : stokedgecko has Jh Kh [Oct 18 00:55:53] : stokedgecko called $0.50 [Oct 18 00:55:56] : lancer123 called $0.50 [Oct 18 00:55:59] : mahendra folded. [Oct 18 00:56:02] : OSULU called $0.25 and raised $0.50 [Oct 18 00:56:07] : diablo31x called $0.50 [Oct 18 00:56:10] : stokedgecko called $0.50 [Oct 18 00:56:12] : lancer123 called $0.50 [Oct 18 00:56:12] : Dealing flop. [Oct 18 00:56:12] : Board cards [9c 6d 7s] [Oct 18 00:56:19] : OSULU bet $1 [Oct 18 00:56:20] : diablo31x folded. [Oct 18 00:56:22] : stokedgecko called $1 [Oct 18 00:56:25] : lancer123 called $1 [Oct 18 00:56:26] : Dealing turn. [Oct 18 00:56:26] : Board cards [9c 6d 7s Kd] [Oct 18 00:56:29] : OSULU bet $1 [Oct 18 00:56:34] : stokedgecko called $1 and raised $2 [Oct 18 00:56:39] : lancer123 called $3 [Oct 18 00:56:46] : OSULU called $2 [Oct 18 00:56:46] : Dealing river. [Oct 18 00:56:46] : Board cards [9c 6d 7s Kd Jc] [Oct 18 00:56:48] : OSULU checked. [Oct 18 00:57:00] : stokedgecko checked. [Oct 18 00:57:05] : lancer123 checked. [Oct 18 00:57:05] : Showdown! [Oct 18 00:57:05] : Seat 5 : stokedgecko has Jh Kh [Oct 18 00:57:06] : Seat 2 : OSULU has Ad 8c [Oct 18 00:57:06] : OSULU has High Card : Ace [Oct 18 00:57:06] : Seat 5 : stokedgecko has Jh Kh [Oct 18 00:57:06] : stokedgecko has Two Pair: Kings and Jacks [Oct 18 00:57:08] : Seat 6 : lancer123 has 8d 9h [Oct 18 00:57:08] : lancer123 has Pair: 9s [Oct 18 00:57:08] : stokedgecko wins $15.20 with Two Pair: Kings and Jacks [Oct 18 00:57:17] : Hand is over. "

Did I misplay the river? Should I have bet?

10/17/2006 9:00:58 PM

heres how this will go

karim will advocate a bet
noidroid's new found alter ego will advocate a bet
david will say you're fine


ill say,

either one is right.



dont worry about missing a bet in this situation, you played the hand fine.


(but in limit, its a clear raise, lol)

[Edited on October 17, 2006 at 9:50 PM. Reason : e]

10/17/2006 9:49:51 PM

Quote :

"(one time worf brought home a squirrel.. blha blah blah shut up)"

Holy hell I almost cried laughing at that one.

10/17/2006 10:14:32 PM

so the tournament hish got me to play in

We both just final tabled it.

lol.

10/17/2006 10:29:13 PM

JINX!

10/17/2006 10:34:18 PM

just got 1st place at champions out of 40 people. got 2nd and 3rd a few times but never first.

i went in heads up with 1/4 of the chips.... thats pretty damn low for heads up. not gonna lie, luck was on my side heads up, but i played it smart.

i took out 9 people too.

i feel accomplished

10/17/2006 10:48:16 PM

and your prize, good sir?

10/17/2006 11:16:41 PM

pilgrim is sick nasty.....ben post that hand...

10/17/2006 11:23:28 PM

Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (1500/3000) - 2006/10/17 - 23:21:37 (ET)
Table '33918743 2' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pilgrimshoes (194788 in chips)
Seat 9: sentenced222 (75212 in chips)
pilgrimshoes: posts the ante 150
sentenced222: posts the ante 150
pilgrimshoes: posts small blind 1500
sentenced222: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [5c Jc]
pilgrimshoes: calls 1500
sentenced222: raises 9000 to 12000
pilgrimshoes: calls 9000
*** FLOP *** [8s 5h 4d]
sentenced222: bets 25000


********

rOwdychOwdah (11:20:22 PM): shhh
rOwdychOwdah (11:20:57 PM): this is gay
The Hish 24 (11:21:03 PM): start button raising
The Hish 24 (11:21:08 PM): both of you are tight as hell
The Hish 24 (11:21:12 PM): outplay him
The Hish 24 (11:21:15 PM): like you outplay me
rOwdychOwdah (11:21:55 PM): . . .

The Hish 24 (11:22:03 PM): ?
The Hish 24 (11:22:03 PM): 67?
The Hish 24 (11:22:03 PM): 888?
The Hish 24 (11:22:06 PM): 444?
rOwdychOwdah (11:22:06 PM): i dont think he has it
The Hish 24 (11:22:10 PM): yea
The Hish 24 (11:22:11 PM): he does
rOwdychOwdah (11:22:13 PM): ive got a 5
rOwdychOwdah (11:22:16 PM): i think thats good
The Hish 24 (11:22:20 PM): do what u gotta do


************





pilgrimshoes: raises 25000 to 50000
sentenced222: raises 13062 to 63062 and is all-in
pilgrimshoes: calls 13062
*** TURN *** [8s 5h 4d] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8s 5h 4d 9d] [4h]
sentenced222 said, "gg"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sentenced222: shows [Qc As] (a pair of Fours)
pilgrimshoes: shows [5c Jc] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
pilgrimshoes collected 150424 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 150424 | Rake 0
Board [8s 5h 4d 9d 4h]
Seat 1: pilgrimshoes (button) (small blind) showed [5c Jc] and won (150424) with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 9: sentenced222 (big blind) showed [Qc As] and lost with a pair of Fours


bong

10/17/2006 11:26:32 PM

Damn, I want in on this.

10/17/2006 11:37:35 PM