\/Wonder if they took into account the value of getting paid trips to miami, $1 car leases, diamond watches, and houses for your family?

[Edited on January 4, 2011 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 4, 2011 at 1:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2011 1:47:01 PM

UNC-CH tops 'best value' list for public universities

http://www.wral.com/business/briefs/story/8876107/

1/4/2011 1:50:46 PM

GTFO of here with that pro UNC shit

1/4/2011 2:05:24 PM

^^free tutoring and free grade inflation is a great value....

1/4/2011 2:55:28 PM

^ priceless really

1/4/2011 3:09:29 PM

i wonder if they took into account that most of their degrees don't make any money.

seriously. it's a good name, but right now that doesn't mean a lot.

1/4/2011 3:33:02 PM

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"Evaluation criteria include academic quality, student-to-faculty ratio, admission rate, four-year graduation rate, and affordability."

1/4/2011 4:53:29 PM

so they did not. good to know, not that it was really in question.

1/4/2011 6:13:24 PM

I always thought student-to-faculty ratios were terribly overrated. You'll learn so much more in a class of 300 people with a well-trained and/or talented teacher than you will in a class of 10 people with some stuttering research prodigy.

1/4/2011 7:04:59 PM

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"academic quality"

well that's completely objective.

1/4/2011 7:08:05 PM

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Quote :

"I always thought student-to-faculty ratios were terribly overrated. You'll learn so much more in a class of 300 people with a well-trained and/or talented teacher than you will in a class of 10 people with some stuttering research prodigy."

There is something to be said for the opportunity for individual attention from a teacher. With that said, I have had small classes with a completely worthless professor and large classes with a grad student who was a very good teacher.

Same for four year graduation rate. It could mean that your school doesn't have a bunch of kids failing out because they aren't being taught well. Or it could mean that your school has easy degrees and horrible grade inflation that just pushes them through.

[Edited on January 4, 2011 at 7:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2011 7:16:08 PM

Quote :

"I always thought student-to-faculty ratios were terribly overrated. You'll learn so much more in a class of 300 people with a well-trained and/or talented teacher than you will in a class of 10 people with some stuttering research prodigy."

In my experience, normally it's the larger classes that have the unqualified grad student teaching it, while the smaller ones have experienced teachers.

[Edited on January 4, 2011 at 7:23 PM. Reason : ^what he said]

1/4/2011 7:23:15 PM

Quote :

""Evaluation criteria include academic quality, student-to-faculty ratio, admission rate, four-year graduation rate, and affordability.""

I have issues with both of these criteria.

Admission rate is based on the number of applicants admitted vs. the number of applicants. So if a school is bound and determined to keep each class relatively small, they're always going to have a lower admission rate (viewed more favorably) than a school with the same number of applicants who is trying to grow and thus admits more students. It has nothing to do with the desirability of the applicants admitted/what they will contribute to the school itself.

And I'm sorry, but IMO graduating in 4 years with a degree in some bullshit discipline (something UNC students excel at) is far less impressive than graduating with an engineering degree in 5.

1/4/2011 9:25:09 PM

Quote :

" And I'm sorry, but IMO graduating in 4 years with a degree in some bullshit discipline (something UNC students excel at) "

This. Just because a school is easy to graduate from shouldn't be a qualification of whether its a good school or not.

1/4/2011 9:51:03 PM

Quote :

"North Carolina State University ranks 15th. Other schools in the top 60 include: UNC-Wilmington, 27 Appalachian State, 35 UNC School of the Arts, 48 UNC-Asheville, 58"

Lol, I like how they extended it to "top 60" instead of a standard 50 just to include Asheville.

1/5/2011 2:09:46 PM

Yeah, cause I definitely want to be in the same company with those universities (App... really?)

1/5/2011 2:11:45 PM

Quote :

"In my experience, normally it's the larger classes that have the unqualified grad student teaching it, while the smaller ones have experienced teachers."

That was true in my CHASS classes but in my science classes (a bunch of chemistry and a couple physics on top of all of the core zoology classes for my B.S. Zoology/ minor Botany) the big classes often had the better professors.

1/5/2011 2:14:52 PM

the only really large class i took was at uncw - it was a creative writing class that was broken down into about 10-20 TAs. I thoroughly enjoyed my TA and learned a lot.

1/5/2011 2:22:55 PM

boring.

1/5/2011 2:35:28 PM

Per jeff gravely on 99.9 dick baddour said he does not expect "severe sanctions" from his discussions with the NCAA.


Fuck that.

1/5/2011 4:58:28 PM

one of the tarheelblue.com guys said that last week on 620 morning show.

If true what is to stop a team from tell a coach or recruiting coach whatever you do "DON'T TALK TO AGENTS AND SET UP FUTURE RECRUITS IN A UNTRACEABLE WAY" . If they get caught, then the school and head coach say i know nothing and fire said coach.

similar to Cam Newton (even tho they are still trying trace down money).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzYpADZiv00

1/5/2011 5:16:06 PM

I wouldnt expect him to say anything different honestly

1/5/2011 5:16:29 PM

Quote :

"UNC AD Baddour: We are in the healing process By Erin Summers Updated 5 minutes ago With the 2010 football season over for the Tar Heels, the University awaits sanctions from the NCAA on the investigations into improper academic and agent-related benefits within the program. In an exclusive interview with WRAL’s Jeff Gravley Wednesday, North Carolina athletic director Dick Baddour said he does not expect the NCAA sanctions to be severe. “What we know is that we’ve completed our work. It is out of our hands,” Baddour said. “What we don’t know is when they will respond and what that response will be.” Baddour said he wished he could say when a decision is expected, but he does not know and all the university can do is wait. Baddour acknowledged that the Carolina brand has been damaged but feels the university has gained some credibility in the way they have handled the investigation. “People know the NCAA values that, and now I think we are all waiting for the outcome,” said Baddour. “I do feel however the worst part is behind us and in a large way I already feel we are in the healing process.” Baddour reiterated that he does not feel the university has an institutional control issue and regardless of the outcome of the NCAA’s ruling, he will stand behind head coach Butch Davis. “My stance with Coach Davis has been consistent from day one,” Baddour said. “I believe he is the right fit for the University of North Carolina. I believed it when we hired him. I've believed it through this investigation and I believe it now.” The football program is still waiting to hear the outcome of two NCAA appeals filed on behalf of football players Michael McAdoo and Devon Ramsay after both were ruled permanently ineligible on Nov. 15 by the NCAA due to their involvement in alleged academic misconduct and improper agent-player relations. The NCAA heard the appeal of McAdoo on Dec. 14. Baddour said the university is still working on the appeal for Ramsay, as they want to present his case to the best of his advantage and are continuing to sort that out with the NCAA. Baddour said he has never had to deal with a situation that has been more “challenging, intense, anxious and confusing” as the dual NCAA and school investigations into the football program. And though this has been challenging he plans to continue to meet those challenges everyday to provide for the university in the best way that he can. Baddour praised the 2010 team for their performance throughout the year and the way they ended with a win over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl on December 30. “I want to give tremendous credit to the student athletes in that football program because every day for the longest time there was a new surprise, and they didn’t always know who was going to be on the field,” Baddour said. “They competed at every game and they competed at the highest level. They competed with class and they represented the university well.” It is expected that they will announce the hiring of former Panthers defensive line coach Brian Baker to fill the North Carolina defensive line coaching position. Baddour could not confirm the hire but did say the university is administering the changes in their hiring process. They university is implementing extensive background checks and inquiring directly about relationships with agents and financial opportunities as well as letting the candidates know their expectations to continue yearly checks into these areas."

1/5/2011 7:55:59 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/01/05/ohio-state-won-bowl-losing-respect/

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"But the real suspense ended with Ohio State's first offensive series, when current coach Jim Tressel proved no more willing to do what's right than his university, school president Gordon Gee, conference commissioner Jim Delany, Sugar Bowl CEO Paul Hoolahan, the NCAA and the suits in charge at the Bowl Championship Series. Thanks to a ruling so favorable it should have made all of them blush redder than one of Tressel's sweater vests, the Buckeyes were allowed to use five players who should have been suspended for Tuesday night's game, but won't have to start serving their punishment until next season instead. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/01/05/ohio-state-won-bowl-losing-respect/#ixzz1AGBwvUo2"

pressure is mounting on the NCAA. Especially after this. Expect full sanctions.

1/6/2011 8:07:50 AM

Or you could just use that to say that the NCAA plays favorites, follows the money, and is a joke. You're looking at it from the standpoint of the NCAA trying to send a message that the rules still matter, but I'm starting to think they have to let UNC slide just to avoid heat from people that would be up in arms about how they let OSU and Cam slide.

IMO Carolina already got away with one. They played ineligible players in the beginning of the season, two of their wins came with ineligible players, and yet they are still allowed to sneak into a bowl game. They've already got their money and recruiting boost from that.

I'm with Baddour. I doubt anything really comes from all this. That's why I say let UNC, Wake Forest, and NCSU start making these practices (cheating and paying players) the norm and, if caught, dare the NCAA, the Attorney General, and the Board of Governors to do anything about it.


[Edited on January 6, 2011 at 8:28 AM. Reason : -]

1/6/2011 8:23:19 AM

1 of 2 things are going to happen:

1) a slap on the wrist. If this happens, the NCAA can no longer punish anyone for anything.

2) They sanction the hell out of them. I think this will happen for a few reasons:
a) they are receiving a lot of flack about upholding their rules and need to punish someone
b) big programs usually get away with stuff so they take it out on a program that doesn't matter--UNC football means nothing to the NCAA
c) If they were to find nothing and give them a slap on the wrist, it certainly would have happened by now, looking at how quickly they have ruled on everything else.
d) too many prongs, too many students involved, too many ruled permanently ineligible for something not to happen.

1/6/2011 9:45:28 AM

Quote :

"c) If they were to find nothing and give them a slap on the wrist, it certainly would have happened by now, looking at how quickly they have ruled on everything else. d) too many prongs, too many students involved, too many ruled permanently ineligible for something not to happen."

That's what I'm thinking. This whole ordeal has so many levels and infractions that I hope the NCAA is taking their time to wade through all of it to make sure they get everything. The other big events, like Newton and tOSU, were (from what I can tell) one shot offenses.

1/6/2011 9:49:18 AM

Quote :

"“What we know is that we’ve completed our work. It is out of our hands,” Baddour said. “What we don’t know is when they will respond and what that response will be."

Obvious PR move is obvious.

the guys on 99.9 the fan were talking about make-up calls yesterday, and were expecting that UNC sanctions would be a make-up call for all the players they've let slide over the last few weeks.

One can only hope...

1/6/2011 11:30:58 AM

i watched that interview too and i saw a dude who looked like right after that interview he was going back to praying, witchcraft, voodoo and shamanism to fend off "severe sanctions." Chapel Hill organic-free-range chicken farmers are probably making bank with all the voodoo services going on NO DOUBT.

When you AD says "its all how you define severe" and then he stops and pauses and the look on his face is like he just took a painful shit.. its gonna be sick burn, i can feel it.

1/6/2011 11:37:23 AM

my favorite line of this entire thread:

Quote :

"Baddour acknowledged that the Carolina brand has been damaged but feels the university has gained some credibility in the way they have handled the investigation."

1/6/2011 9:04:35 PM

WE SHOULD GET A GOLD STAR BECAUSE WE DID THE RIGHT THING AFTER WE GOT CAUGHT.

1/6/2011 9:11:35 PM

shit, it's clear they didn't even do that.

deny deny deny
spin spin spin

we didn't know so it's not our fault

blah blah blah

1/7/2011 12:02:23 AM

any of this shit translated to nc state basketball wins yet?

1/8/2011 12:23:52 PM

Apparently Marvin "tit$' Austin has been invited to play in the East vs. West All Star game.

after a terrific senior year that he played and being ruled ineligible by the NCAA, he in fact will wear a UNC helmet during the game.

talk about ridiculous.

1/12/2011 3:59:17 PM

Well, he is the ideal representative for the tarheels.


I'm really more surprised that UNC would allow it from a PR standpoint. Given what's come out about MA, you'd think they'd want to separate from MA as much as possible.

1/12/2011 4:10:14 PM

haha yea, i'd be screaming as an alumni. doesn't really deserve to wear school colors.

1/12/2011 4:12:10 PM

I really really really hope MA plays in the E/W game with a unc-ch helmet.

1/12/2011 4:15:04 PM

Marvin Austin wearing a UNC helmet in an all-star game is great from an anti-UNC POV

I hope he's on the field for every snap, makes every tackle, I hope he plays both ways. Every time he's on camera they'll be discussing the UNC situation. It can't get any better than that.

1/12/2011 4:17:20 PM

yeah I want to see him get like 11 tackles, 3 for loss, a sack and 2 forced fumbles and be named player of the game

Just so UNC fans can spend more time talking about "what could've been"

1/12/2011 4:20:26 PM

Pretty big insult to every other senior DT in the country to have a cheating douchebag player like Austin get a spot after not playing a single snap this season. I'm honestly baffled by whoever made that decision.

1/12/2011 5:08:20 PM

^^ sick burn, hahah

A pic-6 would be sweet too, collective IC pants jizzing right there

1/12/2011 5:09:55 PM

Do they seriously not have a PR person over there?

1/12/2011 6:02:54 PM

sorry for the double post but i thought MA was "dismissed."

1/12/2011 6:37:53 PM

Quote :

"Pretty big insult to every other senior DT in the country to have a cheating douchebag player like Austin get a spot after not playing a single snap this season. I'm honestly baffled by whoever made that decision."

seriously


it's beyond belief

1/13/2011 12:39:11 AM

I love seeing this thread bumped....

Can we look into this? Who makes the all star game invitations?

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 12:43 AM. Reason : I'd like to send them some flowers or a thank you card or something]

1/13/2011 12:42:56 AM

Im not sure that unx has a lot to do with who wears their helmets to represent their school.

It fits that marv is repping their program, they are either too stupid to care or they are protecting his black ass because he knows too much. Either way, they can suck a fat dick.

1/13/2011 1:49:38 AM

http://www.shrinegame.com/en/News/Thirtytwoplayersacceptinvitations.aspx

1/13/2011 3:50:23 AM

from^

Quote :

"Former NFL coaches Wade Phillips and Dan Reeves will coach opposite each other in the East-West Shrine Game."

Even though its been awhile since his departure, but I got a chuckle out of seeing him referred to that way. My cowboys fan roommate bowed to his alter.

1/13/2011 4:35:28 AM

Unrelated - So, I'm pretty ignorant of this All-Star game. How can they make two teams out of 32 players?

22 starters total between offense and defense, two teams is 44...I guess some linemen have to play both sides of the ball? Have WR playing corner too? Let the QB get some linebacker action?

1/13/2011 9:15:51 AM

maybe 12 players were like "hell naw I'm not playing in that"

or 8v8?

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 9:30 AM. Reason : 3333]

1/13/2011 9:30:08 AM