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"Or is their evidence that suggests State turned Shaka down?"

is there even evidence that we ever gave him an offer? kingston says no offer took place.

4/4/2011 8:07:29 PM

Billy Donovan is absolutely an option.

Has he been released from the search yet officially? No.

Has he said he's returning to Florida yet officially? No.

He's out there.

We know that whoever it is down to is higher profile than Shaka, Cronin, and Marshall.

How many coaches that realistically could move are higher than those three? 5? 10? 15?

Now how many have been in our coaching search the whole way? 3. Barnes, Miller, Donovan.

If its not Donovan then its someone that sure as hell hasnt had their name floated around at all and in this day and age thats rare.

Again, I think its 50-50 we get Donovan, but its 95% we've got a top notch coach locked up theres no other reason for us to throw out 3 coaches who were on our list to this point that would all arguably be good hires.

4/4/2011 8:08:14 PM

L O L

In before ^ tries to save Face by claiming Yow had Donovan on the hook and she fucked it up.

[Edited on April 4, 2011 at 8:10 PM. Reason : .]

4/4/2011 8:09:23 PM

How hard is it to give specifics of where your friend spotted Donovan?

4/4/2011 8:10:31 PM

This thread is like the Brad Cooper trial. No real evidence and a lot of gossip and finger pointing.

4/4/2011 8:10:40 PM

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"Has he been released from the search yet officially? No. Has he said he's returning to Florida yet officially? No. He's out there. We know that whoever it is down to is higher profile than Shaka, Cronin, and Marshall. How many coaches that realistically could move are higher than those three? 5? 10? 15?"

Using this logic, you are also indicating that Phil Jackson, Coach K, and Gregg Popovich are all prominent names for our coaching vacancy also.

Allow me to restate:

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"Billy Donovan is not an option."

4/4/2011 8:11:56 PM

Obviously we're waiting on the Western Conf finals. If Lakers win, we get Pop. If the Spurs win, we get Phil.

4/4/2011 8:14:06 PM

I'll put it this way with a simply analogy because I dont want to type it all out

Billy Donovan : NCSU basketball coach :: Bill Cowher : NCSU football coach

4/4/2011 8:14:22 PM

face, please explain both a) what evidence you have that Smart was "released" from the State coaching search instead of Shaka simply turning NC State down, and b) Where, specifically, your friend saw Donovan.

Also, didn't the VCU AD (I know he's public enemy #1 right now, but still) explicitly state that State made Smart an offer? What incentive would he have to say that unless it were true?

4/4/2011 8:16:00 PM

^^Except the odds of the ladder were about 100,000,000 times more likely than the former.

[Edited on April 4, 2011 at 8:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/4/2011 8:17:12 PM

^face is a troll

4/4/2011 8:17:23 PM

i thought we got passed the BD rumors like 40 pages ago

4/4/2011 8:17:30 PM

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"Also, didn't the VCU AD (I know he's public enemy #1 right now, but still) explicitly state that State made Smart an offer? What incentive would he have to say that unless it were true? "

Only reason I can think of is to justify breaking the bank to keep Smart around. VCU isnt exactly rolling in the dough I'd imagine.

4/4/2011 8:18:36 PM

VCU AD is a UNC alum...he looks cool if he says he was able to beat out State's "offer"

4/4/2011 8:20:15 PM

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"Also, didn't the VCU AD (I know he's public enemy #1 right now, but still) explicitly state that State made Smart an offer? What incentive would he have to say that unless it were true? "

To justify the salary increase? To build up hype. Don't get me wrong I think he received an offer and we are FUCKED but I think these are possible excuses.

However I am very very happy that we will not be getting that piece of shit gregggggg and I fully believe that Yow turned him down no matter how he and his AD spin it. Fuck that dude.

[Edited on April 4, 2011 at 8:23 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/4/2011 8:21:23 PM

wow face just baffles me sometimes, is it that he just gets wasted sometimes and then posts? and the rest of the time he's pretty good

anyhow my opinion is if yow really didn't give marshall serious consideration she BETTER have someone good up her sleeve or she is just as bad if not worse than fowler



[Edited on April 4, 2011 at 8:23 PM. Reason : k]

4/4/2011 8:21:27 PM

holy shit face is out of control

4/4/2011 8:22:17 PM

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"the rest of the time he's pretty good "

I must be elsewhere when this happens.

4/4/2011 8:24:02 PM

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"^^Except the odds of the ladder were about 100,000,000 times more likely than the former."

i know the cowhers, he talked about it with the university and discussed it with his wife. i don't know how series he ever thought of it, but your odds comparison seems right.

4/4/2011 8:24:20 PM

^^well he was good predicting what a fraud carmello is

4/4/2011 8:24:48 PM

the TWW Gods have determined this belongs here and only here.

so, here it is.

4/4/2011 8:25:01 PM

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"Only reason I can think of is to justify breaking the bank to keep Smart around. VCU isnt exactly rolling in the dough I'd imagine."

True. But I feel like nobody from VCU is going to complain about Smart getting a big raise after getting the team to the Final Four (other than maybe alumni who don't care about basketball/sports at all). I definitely see your point, though.

4/4/2011 8:25:28 PM

actually i just opened a bottle of Green Label because it felt like a reason to celebrate because we are so close to making a splash.

Im going to switch to red label after this glass though saving the real party for when we announce our hire.

All i know is we turned down three solid candidates today. Debbie is not an idiot she would not tell them they were off the list if we didnt have SOMEONE lined up. You dont eliminate guys until you are ready to make a hire or you know you decide they are not viable candidates. There is no fucking way all three of those were not viable candidates.

4/4/2011 8:25:58 PM

^^^^ ahh, see I don't venture into the NBA threads.

4/4/2011 8:26:50 PM

you need to open a bottle of floor wax

4/4/2011 8:27:18 PM

All of you just shut the fuck up with this speculation until a coach is hired. Nobody knows shit. Including the media. Billy D was already gone to the magic according to them. Just wait until things are final, then talk.

4/4/2011 8:28:55 PM

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"actually i just opened a bottle of Green Label because it felt like a reason to celebrate because we are so close to making a splash. Im going to switch to red label after this glass though saving the real party for when we announce our hire"

You can't make a hard switch from Green label to Red label like that. You have to at least throw a Black label in the middle to ease the transition.

4/4/2011 8:29:44 PM

4/4/2011 8:29:53 PM

GUYS stop talking about the coaching search in the coaching search thread

4/4/2011 8:30:04 PM

well I guess I'm on the blaine taylor bandwagon now, I'm assuming yow already went after turgeon and he wasn't interested, so blaine and brey are the only people left on my list, maybe brey said no too, I forgot that supposed report about three coaches turning us down previously, so yea go for blaine

4/4/2011 8:30:26 PM

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"There is no fucking way all three of those were not viable candidates. "

The other possibility is Yow basically decided we aren't overpaying for a mid major coach who hasn't proven they can win at a top level yet other than a magical tourney run. These three thought we were desperate and willing to overpay and Yow pretty much said fuck you.

4/4/2011 8:30:37 PM

#1 our athletics dept said shaka was not offered. I believe this because hes too unproven and young and doesnt have the experience. He was a huge leap of faith really. Just not ready for this level. We're talking about a middle to upper tier Colonial team for gods sake.

#2 i have a text to buddy right now. he said campus and that was good enough for me, i am trying to clarify now. Does anyone really believe Donovan wasnt a candidate from the get-go? Im not saying its a done deal im saying someone is all but a done deal and Donovan is definitely a possibility.

4/4/2011 8:31:33 PM

^^ i hadnt considered that possibility. That is a possibility i guess but i have to believe she wouldnt have told them all three they were out until she found someone willing to say yes for significantly less money.


Look at it from Yows perspective would she rather overpay for a coach she believes in or pay fair value for a coach she might deem acceptable? I think shed overpay. She wants to make her mark.

4/4/2011 8:33:42 PM

A new girl at works cousin is an assistant on the VCU staff. She told me today that her cousin didn't want to move to Raleigh so Shaka is going to stay in Richmond.

4/4/2011 8:34:34 PM

Where's fabalus when you need him?

4/4/2011 8:36:09 PM

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"She wants to make her mark. "

I agree but she also wants to make sure its not the same mark the AD at Georgia Tech made with the Hewitt contract.

4/4/2011 8:36:18 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/in-praise-of-blaine-taylors-mustache/2011/03/16/ABRDs3e_blog.html

4/4/2011 8:37:03 PM

I don't think she's nearly dumb enough to write a contract that will cost us $7mil to get out of.

4/4/2011 8:37:11 PM

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"Billy D was already gone to the magic according to them."

you realize he actually signed a contract with the magic, right?

4/4/2011 8:37:16 PM

the hewitt contract was virtually unprecendented and there was no way to ever terminate the deal without paying him.

This is quite different. 6 years is 6 years. They will pass eventually.


Giving someone like Hewitt a "forever" contract is ridiculous. That kind of shit is reserved for a Coach K type and even that is dangerous

4/4/2011 8:38:19 PM

Who is this @UnclePen1 guy on twitter? He "seems" to have a pulse on the search from what I can gather. He is also preaching the BD thing in the last few hours.

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"UnclePen1 Pendleton Vandiver Jeremy Foley Is key to the #NCState situation."

4/4/2011 8:38:37 PM

http://sendekisback.ytmnd.com/

4/4/2011 8:39:00 PM

sendek is back causin' mass destruction

4/4/2011 8:39:58 PM

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"you realize he actually signed a contract with the magic, right?"

which proves that nobody knows. even the people deciding to stay or go. you just have to wait and see. people change thier mind. roy doesn't give a shit about carolina.

4/4/2011 8:41:54 PM

i wonder if harrow really did talk to our new coach (who is possibly billy donovan). he said someone important.

You think he considers Gregg Marshall important?

4/4/2011 8:42:06 PM

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"Also, didn't the VCU AD (I know he's public enemy #1 right now, but still) explicitly state that State made Smart an offer? What incentive would he have to say that unless it were true?"

I will try find out. I'm also dying to know.

I just discovered about 20 minutes ago that my next door neighbor is a close friend of Norwood Teague's (they were buds at unc back in the day).

I doubt he'll tell me much, but why the hell not.

4/4/2011 8:42:20 PM

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"The other possibility is Yow basically decided we aren't overpaying for a mid major coach who hasn't proven they can win at a top level yet other than a magical tourney run. These three thought we were desperate and willing to overpay and Yow pretty much said fuck you."

I agree with this, part of the objective is to get a great coach, but another major component of the search is not overpaying and financially strapping yourself a-la Ga. Tech.

Why pay a dude like Gregg Marshall 15 or 20 million guaranteed money for 5-7 years. It just doesn't make any sense. Part of the risk of swinging for the fences early is that these mid-major guys think we are desperate. I am guessing that yow presented them a fair offer and they came back with crazy numbers and Yow said fuck off. (although I truly believe that Shaka said no thanks. His offer of 1.2 + incentives is too good a raise not to stay if he feels comfortable)

4/4/2011 8:42:52 PM

CJ Leslie player-coach?

4/4/2011 8:43:13 PM

This @UnclePen1 claims that an offer was made to Smart, but not Cronin or Marshall.

4/4/2011 8:43:25 PM

I cant imagine someone named Norwood Teague being anything other than a massive tool

4/4/2011 8:43:28 PM