Because it was a retarded post, that's why.

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 3:05 PM. Reason : 2^7]

6/9/2009 3:04:47 PM

b/c he played point his senior year of HS

and fwiw if you watch those videos you do NOT come away thinking he could play PG at a D1 level. He did develop some skills there and I think that experience will be big for him in college but he would get eaten alive at PG in college. He might be a better "oh shit" PG than Gavin Grant was, I'll give you that

6/9/2009 3:15:55 PM

I liked when Gavin always pulled out the X .... like the X on the Jamaican flag if you havent figured it out yet

6/9/2009 3:21:34 PM

ORLY?

6/9/2009 4:28:06 PM

^i thought it was for the bronX ?

6/9/2009 4:30:54 PM

it is

6/9/2009 4:42:58 PM

it is...i think slave is just making a joke of the people who thought it was the Jamaican flag at the time

[Edited on June 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2009 4:44:41 PM

if by people you mean me then yeah

6/9/2009 4:52:46 PM

Harrow is playing in the World Basketball Tourny in France. I don't know if he played the first game, but the US team got beat by Puerto Rico. The caveat is that this is Puerto Rico's U19 team and they've got 2 D-I guys playing whereas the US team are mostly 16-17 yr olds and they were just thrown together. Two of Ryan's other Atlanta Celtics teammates are with him and in a few videos he's reppin NCState in the Paris Subway. I guess some kid named Mike Rosario who plays at Rutgers or some place like that, lit it up for 33. Close game it sounded like which just shows you how good US basketball players are, i imagine like Brazillian futbol.

http://highschoolhoop.com

6/11/2009 10:19:48 AM

I know u guys rag on WPH's, but this website has some horrendous writing. Although this is a good article, pay attention towards the end.

Quote :

"N.C. State Commit Says He’s in as Long as Sidney Lowe is His Coach. Photo. NorthCarolinaStateScout.com Ryan Harrow is a realist who doesn’t mind speaking candidly about the obvious flaw in his game. “It’s my strength,” says Harrow. “Yeah… I’m really not strong at all.” At 6-feet tall, Harrow, a point guard who hails from Walton High School in Marietta, Ga., tips the scale at just 148 pounds. Still, the beanpole factor hasn’t slowed his offensive arsenal, which has in turn caused his stock shoot up over the past few months. Defensively it’s a different story. His size can, at times, make him a liability when bigger guards post him up, which is why Harrow has committed to lifting weights with the Walton football team all summer. Harrow, a rising junior, chatted with HighSchoolHoop about everything from his size to why his commitment to North Carolina State is somewhat conditional to why he can’t wait to shop on his trip to France next week… HighSchoolHoop: How did your high school team finish up last season? Ryan Harrow: We lost in the second round of the state playoffs. HSH: What were your averages? RH: I averaged 28.6 points, six assists and three rebounds a game. HSH: What was your toughest matchup? RH: Probably Centennial High because they’ve got Lorenzo Brown. HSH: Two N.C. State recruits going head up. Who won the matchup? RH: They won by one point at the buzzer. It was crazy. He had 30 points and I had 31 points. HSH: So neither one of you could check the other one, huh? RH: (Laughs) I don’t know. I think we just both got into the zone and we just went off that game. HSH: So you two are close? RH: Yeah, I’ve known him since we were six years old. HSH: Is that the main reason you picked State? RH: Well, it was that and because I really like (head) coach (Sidney) Lowe. That’s the main reason. HSH: So is the plan for Lorenzo to run the point for a year and for you to takeover the following year? RH: Yeah that’s the plan. A lot of people talk about chemistry and we’ve been playing together so long… We’ll already know what the other is thinking. HSH: Obviously, State has struggled recently and a big reason why is point guard play. Is there pressure for you to come in and instantly upgrade the position? RH: Yeah definitely, but I just know that all I have to do is play my game and I’ll be able to please the fans there. HSH: You chose State really early when people were sleeping on you, which is similar to what C.J. Leslie did. RH: Right. HSH: But once C.J. started to get more national attention, like you are now, he bolted on State. Should State fans be worried that they’ll get a repeat? RH: Well, I’ll tell you like this… I’m coming to N.C. State as long as coach Lowe is there. Period. Now if he’s not there, I don’t know if I’ll be there. HSH: That’s interesting because Lowe is somewhat on the proverbial hot seat. The rumors are always there. RH: Yeah I know. I’ve heard the rumors about him possibly getting fired and everything like that. I mean if he’s there, I’m there, but if not I’ll probably look elsewhere. But I’m thinking with the class that they’re bringing in and my class coming after that it will be the players that State has been looking for. How could they let him go with those players? You know. HSH: But even with a stellar class, the bottom line is all about winning games and beating arch rivals. RH: That’s very true. HSH: Lets switch gears. How have you and the Atlanta Celtics AAU squad been doing so far? RH: We’ve been doing good. We get to the Final Four of every tournament we’re in and end up losing. HSH: Your play so far this AAU season has people talking about you being as good as some of 2010’s top point guards like Kyrie Irving, Brandon Knight and Ray McCullam. Are you the top point guard in the class? RH: I definitely think that I am. All those guys that you named are good, but the only thing they have on me is size. I do everything else just as good or better. HSH: What are you doing about the size issue? RH: I’m working out with the football team everyday. HSH: What’s your bench press max? RH: I got 145 (pounds). HSH: That’s not bad. RH: Yeah but these days guys are so strong, like Brandon Knight. I’ve just got to get stronger because playing against those top guards the thing that hurts me is that they’re all stronger. My goal is to be benching 175 pounds by the end of the summer. HSH: You’re going to France to play in the World Basketball Tournament in Douai, France from June 8-15. Talk about that. RH: It’s a real honor because I wasn’t originally picked for the team and they decided that I should be on the team based off what I’d done this spring and summer. It’s an honor. I’m real excited about going. HSH: Have you competed against foreign players before? RH: No, but I know when I watch them on TV they’re usually pretty big. HSH: What do you hope to gain from the experience? RH: I want to pick up more of the fundamentals they have over there and learn how to play against it. Because that’s the style that Duke and Wake Forest and a few other teams play in the ACC. HSH: Other than basketball, what are you looking forward to with regards to the trip? RH: Honestly, the shopping. I heard they had some real nice shopping places. I’m looking to get some Jordans! I just want to see how much different the atmosphere is over there compared to here. I’m excited about it. "

http://www.highschoolhoop.com/recruiting-news/2009/06/2k-sports-preseason-all-american-team-ryan-harrow/

6/11/2009 11:55:35 AM

its free

get over it

6/11/2009 11:57:50 AM

great interview

6/11/2009 11:59:53 AM

Quote :

"Mays in particular gets mentioned regularly. It's got me thinking that he's the odds on favorite to be the starting PG, with Javi playing the 2. "

I'm late on this, but that would be absolutely retarded.

6/11/2009 12:00:17 PM

that wasn't even WPH

6/11/2009 12:02:28 PM

If we fire Lowe before he has a chance with a legit PG (Harrow), I'm killing someone.

6/11/2009 12:46:50 PM

yeah... i'm with you.

hopefully "fans" like Stein are fewer than it seems.

6/11/2009 12:59:52 PM

^^^

He didn't say it was WPH



[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 1:01 PM. Reason : j]

6/11/2009 1:00:59 PM

Quote :

"If we fire Lowe before he has a chance with a legit PG (Harrow), I'm killing someone."

come on now, he's had 3 years already to find a serviceable PG...it's good that we've got a high caliber guy coming in now and another one next year but the PG situation should have been resolved by last season at the latest. Would you be ok with a football coach not having a serviceable QB for 3 or 4 seasons? I fucking doubt it.

6/11/2009 1:05:42 PM

javi has developed into a serviceable PG.

not a great PG

but PG was not our problem this past year.

6/11/2009 1:10:52 PM

^^I would if I knew he had a badass one coming soon.

And I agree Javi really turned a corner last year. If he improves as much from his soph to jr year as he did from his frosh to soph year, he'll be all-ACC

6/11/2009 1:13:50 PM

Quote :

"come on now, he's had 3 years already to find a serviceable PG"

For the love of jeebus, let's not recycle that whole argument again! Please?

6/11/2009 1:14:44 PM

article on Scott Wood

Quote :

"The All-Star who got away Marion's Wood picks N.C. State over state schools Indianapolis Star Indiana All-Star Scott Wood doesn't fear Purdue Pete or find Indiana University's candy-striped warm-up pants unfashionable. There's really not one easy answer why the former Marion High School star will take his considerable basketball talent out of state and down to Tobacco Road and North Carolina State next year. Advertisement "People will come up to me sometimes and ask me why I didn't go to Indiana or Purdue," said Wood, who scored 17 points in Tuesday's All-Stars exhibition victory against the Junior All-Stars at Benton Central. "But I think I made the right decision." That's what those fans, well-wishers that they are, fear about Wood: that he could be one of those good ones -- really good ones -- who slips through the fingertips of in-state schools and establishes himself as a star. It wasn't by luck that the sweet-shooting Wood landed at N.C. State. He struck up a friendship with Wolfpack assistant Monte Towe -- who grew up in nearby Converse, Ind., and played on N.C. State's 1974 Final Four team -- when Towe was recruiting Marion's Julius Mays. When Wood had a lackluster showing in the summer before his junior season, some schools wavered. They wanted to see more. Towe and N.C. State coach Sidney Lowe had seen enough to know Wood was their guy. "We had a good opportunity to see him at a young age because we were recruiting Julius," Towe said. "I think we seemed pretty solid to him maybe when some other places didn't. Recruiting happens so early now and we were fortunate to see him early." Wood is a shooter. Always has been. When he was 11, he was the national runner-up in the Elks Hoop Shoot. As a high school junior, he made a staggering 86 3-pointers to set a single-season Marion record. But the danger of labeling Wood as "a shooter" is to think of him only as a shooter. "I've never coached anybody like him," said Joe Luce, Wood's high school coach. "He's the kind of kid you want to date your daughter because he's such a great kid, but there's a toughness about him you might not pick up on at first. He reminds me of a guy like (Purdue's) Robbie Hummel. He plays to win." Even if it means playing out of position. Due to some roster shuffling early in his senior season, Wood was forced to play point guard. He barely skipped a beat. Though he made "only" 68 3-pointers as a senior, Wood became more well-rounded. His scoring also increased nearly 10 points a game to a 24.8 average. Luce said Wood's development is probably a year ahead of schedule because of his move to point guard. If there's an area of his game that might not be college-ready, it's his strength. Wood weighs just 170 pounds. He's working on that, spending nearly every day since the end of the season in the weight room. "I wouldn't say I'm ripped yet," he said with a laugh. Even with the added bulk, Wood still has his smooth shooting touch. It just won't be coming in an IU or Purdue uniform next season. "My family was pretty much split down the middle between IU and Purdue fans," Wood said. "Not me. I was a Duke fan. Now I get to beat them twice a year.""

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090611/SPORTS0203/906110420/1057/SPORTS02/The+All-Star+who+got+away

6/11/2009 1:29:46 PM

awesome article

6/11/2009 1:48:16 PM

Quote :

"javi has developed into a serviceable PG. not a great PG but PG was not our problem this past year."

that's debatable, really he had games where he was good and games where he was atrocious. PG was not the sole reason we were shitty last year, but it was certainly a factor. There were games where we got like 4 points and 7 turnovers from our PGs...which is not enough production to win games. I think Mays/Javi could develop into solid PGs but that remains to be seen.

Quote :

"And I agree Javi really turned a corner last year. If he improves as much from his soph to jr year as he did from his frosh to soph year, he'll be all-ACC"

all-ACC are you fucking kidding me? He could be solid for us this year, but but him being all-ACC is laughable.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

6/11/2009 2:07:13 PM

^ I wouldn't say Javi had any 'atrocious' games last year. Degand and Mays perhaps. But even Ty Rice had bad games. Javi was solid.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 2:12 PM. Reason : df]

6/11/2009 2:11:22 PM

alright, if I have to go to statistics to refresh you people's memory I will:
New Orleans game: 23 minutes, 1 point, 2 TOs
Winthrop game: 23 minutes, 0 pts, 1 TO
Davidson game: 26 minutes, 3pts. 7 TOs
Winston Salem State game: 26 minutes, 7 pts, 5 TOs

then after the ECU game he got benched for like a month

6/11/2009 2:18:09 PM

Quote :

"all-ACC are you fucking kidding me? He could be solid for us this year, but but him being all-ACC is laughable. "

Maybe you should read that again. Or, here, I'll explain it.

Say Javi was a 1/10 his freshman year. Last year he was maybe a 6, that's +5! Do that again and he's an 11! I'd say that's All-ACC material!

There is, of course, no reason to believe that Javi will improve at the same rate this season; he's likely at or near his ceiling. So, yeah, there's no way he'll be All-ACC, but you totally misunderstood what whoever said that was saying.

6/11/2009 2:19:36 PM

Quote :

"Say Javi was a 1/10 his freshman year. Last year he was maybe a 6, that's +5! Do that again and he's an 11! I'd say that's All-ACC material! There is, of course, no reason to believe that Javi will improve at the same rate this season; he's likely at or near his ceiling. So, yeah, there's no way he'll be All-ACC, but you totally misunderstood what whoever said that was saying."

I understood his logic, but I completely agree that he is at or near his ceiling which is why I thought it was laughable. Plus I don't know that I'd agree that he improved from a 1/10 to a 6/10 anyways.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : . ]

6/11/2009 2:24:12 PM

Oh no. Stats prove everything. Do you even remember the Winthrop game? 1 of the turnovers was Javi hustling to save a ball going out of bounds and he ended up throwing it out of bounds anyway. so he got the TO but only because he was hustling for the ball in the first place. So 1 real TO in 23 mins? I'll take that any night. Get out of here with your stats.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : df]

6/11/2009 2:25:24 PM

Quote :

"Plus I don't know that I'd agree that he improved from a 1/10 to a 6/10 anyways."

Dude, to you everyone on the team is a 0/10, the coach is a 0/10, the fans are all 0/10, the arena is probably 0/10, the ushers and food service workers are all 0/10. You're the most negative ST poster this side of packboozie.

6/11/2009 2:28:27 PM

Quote :

"Get out of here with your stats."

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE ASSHOLE

6/11/2009 2:29:22 PM

If I could take a bow here I would

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 2:30 PM. Reason : df]

6/11/2009 2:30:12 PM

Quote :

"Dude, to you everyone on the team is a 0/10, the coach is a 0/10, the fans are all 0/10, the arena is probably 0/10, the ushers and food service workers are all 0/10. You're the most negative ST poster this side of packboozie. "

whatever man, I just call it like I see it. Javi played better towards the end of the season but that doesn't totally negate his terrible play to start the season, and I'm not the only one who thought he was terrible at the beginning of the season, Sid did too which is why he benched him for like a month after the ECU game. Plus I don't see how you can be super positive and upbeat about the basketball program right now other than the recruiting class, considering the results on the court the past few seasons. I'm always posting cautiously positive stuff in the football threads in case you haven't noticed.

6/11/2009 2:33:11 PM

Quote :

"Plus I don't see how you can be super positive and upbeat about the basketball program right now"

I'm not

6/11/2009 2:35:13 PM

Quote :

"I'm always posting cautiously positive stuff in the football threads in case you haven't noticed."

i have it fully documented in my tww st spreadsheet.

6/11/2009 2:39:10 PM

^hahaha, good to know

6/11/2009 2:39:43 PM

Quote :

"Plus I don't see how you can be super positive and upbeat about the basketball program right now other than the recruiting class, considering the results on the court the past few seasons"

Because it's the offseason. Veterans improving + new recruits + weak ACC = optimism

6/11/2009 2:40:41 PM

Quote :

"i have it fully documented in my tww st spreadsheet."

I would enjoy seeing that spread sheet.

6/11/2009 2:45:48 PM

i wish people would stop trying to rationalize the fact that javi sucks

i dont know how theyve done it but they somehow forgot that he was the WORST PLAYER ON THE TEAM early in the season and got benched until like halfway into ACC play

and even when he came back, he wasnt good. Anyone who thinks he can be a good PG at any point must not watch any college basketball other than NC State b/c theyve obviously not seen an actual good PG in decades. He might be average this year. Might

6/11/2009 3:32:15 PM

he was great at the end of the season, relatively speaking

6/11/2009 3:53:37 PM

to me, the biggest problem with our pgs last year was that even when they had "good" games they didn't really get the rest of the team involved. (or maybe the team didn't care to get involved idk) sure we had some games where our PGs had like 15+ points and shot lights out, but i don't remember any of them having more than like 4 assists. (i could be way off) i'm not saying that to be a good pg you need to average a double double, but in my personal opinion all of our pgs could do a better job distributing the ball.

6/11/2009 4:01:24 PM

Quote :

"he was great at the end of the season, relatively speaking"

6/11/2009 4:14:22 PM

^^^also gotta remember that lolskates was on the floor most of the time, along with a hurt, shitty bball IQ fells.

Not saying they cant improve cause they should but that does factor into some of the crappiness.






[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ^]

6/11/2009 4:14:43 PM

the stupid in this thread is incredible. Javi did not get benched he got injured. Remember he knocked out that Young guys teeth and had a laceration on his arm. Also he had multiple 5-6 assist games (he averaged 3.3 assists) so he was getting others involved. Early in the season he had a 7 assist no turnover game (UNC-G). I do agree he was capable of getting into a funk and having a terrible game (Virginia). I think he will do better on what hopefully will be a more fast paced team. He always seemed to want to push the pace and a lot of his turnovers came from players not keeping up with him.

6/11/2009 4:18:56 PM

http://www.gopack.com/downloads1/102257.pdf?ATCLID=691431&SPSID=41963&SPID=3731&DB_OEM_ID=9200

6/11/2009 4:22:25 PM

Since we're whipping out stats:

Go-to guys
23 Tracy Smith

Major Contributors
33 Brandon Costner

Significant Contributors
34 Ben McCauley
10 Javier Gonzalez
24 Julius Mays


I deleted all the useful stuff since it would probably paste in a jumble, but:



http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=North%20Carolina%20St.


Javi does allright.

6/11/2009 4:49:14 PM

Quote :

" wish people would stop trying to rationalize the fact that javi sucks"

Did you even watch the second half of the season last year? He was the only perimeter player on our team that even looked halfway competent (aside from CJ, occasionally). Surprisingly good defender, shooter, penetrator, and passer. I'd say at least half of his TO's were from other guys fucking up.

And again, he wasn't benched for being shitty. He was benched because he was hurt. He tried to come back when he was less than 100%, and admittedly sucked. Once he healed, he wasn't great, but he didn't suck. At all.

6/11/2009 4:50:32 PM

To me, Tracy Smith and Javi Gonzalez stepped up BIG TIME last year. They were State's best & most consistent contributors down the stretch, and honestly... if anyone that says different then I would openly question just how many games that person actually watched.

Smith stepped up and became the go-to post player. I love McCauley b/c he's a fun guy to watch and the effort is always there, but he wasn't producing and State really had no other options down low. Javi in turn stepped up as the clear starter at the point. His FG% shot up, he handled the ball reasonable well, reduced the # of his classic "boneheaded TOs" and even started driving the lane successfully. Few players have impressed me more by making such drastic improvement over the course of a single season.

I'm not a bball expert, but to me Javi's ceiling is not high enough to make think he could be an All-ACC caliber player. He's made a lot of improvement, but he's also Ty Lawson's size for pete sake. He doesn't have ACC-caliber speed and doesn't have the sheer talent to take the game over when needed. About all Javi can do is continue to learn the game and work on his jumper. Then he can at least be like Atsur was to State 3 years ago - a dependable distributor that will take care of the ball, run the offense, and occasionally have a hot night.

I applaud Javi for stepping up and showing an incredible amount of improvement, but I'm certainly not going to expect that he'll make even a remotely similar leap next year. That's just an incredibly unreasonable expectation to place upon the guy.

18, 9, 8, 11, 5, 19, 5 (only 16 min)

6/11/2009 6:40:57 PM

now back to recruiting.

great article on wood. and those of you that are making such a big deal about not finding a pg like ryan harrow earlier, consider this quote from coach towe.

Quote :

"Recruiting happens so early now and we were fortunate to see him early."

it takes years to build relationships with some of these high caliber players. getting hickson to come here when he did was an absolute miracle when you consider that coach lowe was coming in completely cold in the world of recruiting. our only option was to go for guys that were under the radar early on because it takes at least 2-3 years to build relationships with these kids. hell, some are even getting interest as early as middle school. we're finally starting to get the right guys and it will pay off.

6/11/2009 7:36:27 PM

Quote :

"getting hickson to come here when he did was an absolute miracle when you consider that coach lowe was coming in completely cold in the world of recruiting"

I agree with some of what you're saying as far as getting to recruits early, but Lowe had an in with Hickson from his NBA days because he had coached Shareef Abdur-Rahim when he played for the Grizzlies, and Rahim had played at Wheeler and was friends with Hickson. So he wasn't exactly coming in completely cold to the world of recruiting, at least as far as Wheeler and the state of Georgia are concerned.

[Edited on June 11, 2009 at 7:59 PM. Reason : .]

6/11/2009 7:58:26 PM