yup

8/1/2008 12:28:03 PM

i mean fire it into a crowd and tell me that it isnt a WMD

but i mean i feelwhat youre saying...a crowd v.s. like a city or a region

but i mean part of that stems from the fact that we make our own interpretations of what "mass" means instead of going by what saith the law and/or precedents


personally, i have no problems considering a sawed off a WMD...its just that "WMD" has a severe stigma do it associating directly with warfare

8/1/2008 12:32:13 PM

^ Potato guns are also classified as WMD's

so according to law a sawed off shotgun and a potato gun fall under the same classification of weaponry

8/1/2008 1:33:28 PM

you can fire things other than potato guns with them

8/1/2008 2:47:22 PM

Kittens, for example.

8/1/2008 2:50:59 PM

^^what would be more dangerous than a potato?

8/1/2008 2:53:16 PM

nvm

[Edited on August 1, 2008 at 2:54 PM. Reason : nvm]

8/1/2008 2:53:28 PM

...... this is just more evidence of how idiotic the government is on so many levels

8/1/2008 3:23:04 PM

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"Carjacking is a federal offense, and killing someone in the commission of a carjacking is a capital offense (as it is in NC). It's just a legal maneuver to get Atwater the death penalty in federal court if he doesn't get it in Orange County."

Bingo. This was what they did for a homicide case in SC a few years back.

8/2/2008 12:56:03 AM

looks like they're going to the death penalty

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3358693/

8/11/2008 11:03:45 AM

Nope, just one of 'em. But you're right, the trial is a forgone conclusion at this point.

8/11/2008 11:21:08 AM

The Peoples Republic Of Chapel Hill will not sentence anyone to death

8/11/2008 12:49:48 PM

Quote :

"Woodall said during the hearing that Atwater and Laurence Alvin Lovette Jr., the second suspect charged, told various people they were in the area of Rosemary Street near Carson's home on Friendly Lane in the early-morning hours of March 5 looking for someone to rob. Carson had told friends she was staying home to do work. Evidence showed she opened an e-mail on her computer at 3:35 a.m., Woodall said. "Essentially, they walked up Friendly Lane, they could see a person in that house, and the blinds on the windows of that house were raised that morning," he said. "And the state contends that Eve Carson was working at her computer just in front of those windows." Woodall said Atwater made various statements about what happened next. In one statement, Atwater said he and Lovette went into Carson's house and abducted her. In another, he said they acted as if their car had broken down and took her from outside her home. "Based on the appearance of her residence, the state, at this time, believes she was probably abducted just outside her home," Woodall said. Investigators determined that the suspects used Carson's ATM card shortly before 4 a.m. at a Bank of America in Chapel Hill and then at other locations in Durham to withdraw about $1,400. Woodall said they took Carson back to Chapel Hill to Hillcrest Drive, where police found her body hours later. But there were no clear statements about what exactly happened next, he said. Carson was shot five times, including once in the head with a shotgun. Woodall said investigators believe Lovette used a .25-caliber handgun to shoot her four times and that Atwater used a 12-gauge sawed-off shotgun. Although he did not say when or where, Woodall said that the suspects disposed of the weapons and that when investigators recovered them, the handgun was broken into pieces and that there appeared to be attempts to dismantle the shotgun. Physical evidence linked Lovette to Carson's Toyota Highlander and Atwater to the shotgun, Woodall said."

I can't imagine driving one town over and then prowling for someone to rob and murder.

8/11/2008 1:00:45 PM

god damn that upsets me

8/11/2008 1:04:18 PM

I say we all go down there and tailgate for this motherfuckers execution.

8/11/2008 9:29:17 PM

^lmao, im thinkin kegs and eggs

i dont think ill be leaving my shades up or leaving lights on at night anymore

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 9:33 PM. Reason : so ]

8/11/2008 9:32:11 PM

^I'm down with the tailgating for his execution--it'll be a while, obviously..but I'd def do it. fuck that guy

8/11/2008 10:02:32 PM

i didn't realize he once said they asked for help with their "car". So much for being a good samaritan.

8/11/2008 10:28:54 PM

This is why you don't leave home without at least one Glock. Bring a S&W 642 just in case too.

8/11/2008 10:34:46 PM

Glock 23?...check, IWB Holster?...check

8/12/2008 12:46:06 AM

sig p229...........everywhere i go

12 gaugae with double ought buck, within hands reach in the house

8/12/2008 2:36:27 AM

^^ & ^, Nice!

^^ Btw, were you the dude I met the other day?

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 3:40 AM. Reason : ]

8/12/2008 3:39:44 AM

Quote :

"i didn't realize he once said they asked for help with their "car". So much for being a good samaritan."

I can't believe that she would open the door for two strange men after 3:30 in the morning, but who knows what happened.

8/12/2008 9:37:58 AM

this was not a random murder people

8/12/2008 10:29:43 AM

^I don't want to, but I do agree with you....^^^yea if your the dude w/ the sv650

8/12/2008 10:44:46 AM

what have you seen or read that would lead you to believe that it was not random?

8/12/2008 12:26:35 PM

im not sayin shes was best friends w/ the nigs or anything....but Ive watched alot of The First 48 so that pretty much makes me an expert on homicides, and I think it was fishy that two hood niggas from durham were lurking out in Chapel Hill robbing and killing

8/12/2008 12:40:52 PM

it was a drug deal gone bad. she had debt she couldn't pay. I don't know why they killed her or what went on but it was drug related.

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : theres a huge video on youtube about it they talked about the video on cnn where have you guys been]

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:52 PM. Reason : i know here in miami the cubans will kill you if u "get" them and if they are "got" colums kill them]

8/12/2008 12:50:05 PM

Quote :

"Ive watched alot of The First 48 so that pretty much makes me an expert on homicides"

haha, well played

8/12/2008 12:53:48 PM

so...you're going to need to post this video.

and I bet that grad student at Duke was trying to buy crack too, right?

[Edited on August 12, 2008 at 12:56 PM. Reason : .]

8/12/2008 12:55:03 PM

Quote :

"it was a drug deal gone bad. she had debt she couldn't pay."

If she wanted drugs she would be buying them off of some frat boy or a friend. She wouldn't get involved with some wannabe thugs out in Durham. Was the Indian kid in debt over drugs too?

8/12/2008 1:06:05 PM

I don't know about the duke kid as I don't live in that area and its not a national story but as much as people would like to think, random murders just DON'T happen much. Its sad she died and all but I hate when people try to make people out as perfect angels just because they were brutally murdered, pretty and smart.

8/12/2008 1:18:04 PM

From the comments that the two suspects made it sounds like a pretty clear cut instance of random violence.

8/12/2008 1:22:05 PM

^^ seriously, go troll somewhere else. I know you're an alias, and it's clear that you're being intentionally obtuse as trollbait.

take it to chit cha, or you'll join your other aliases in the suspension box.

8/12/2008 1:32:49 PM

Quote :

"Eve Carson murder suspect indicted on federal charges Greensboro, N.C. — A federal grand jury has indicted one of two suspects in the slaying of UNC-Chapel Hill's former student body president. Demario James Atwater, 22, was indicted Monday on a charge of carjacking resulting in death, which could allow federal authorities to seek a death sentence. Chapel Hill police have charged Atwater, and Laurence Alvin Lovette Jr., 17, with first-degree murder and kidnapping in connection with the March 5 shooting death of Eve Marie Carson, 22, of Athens, Ga. Police investigators believe Atwater and Lovette kidnapped Carson and forced her to withdraw $1,400 from ATMs before shooting her five times, including once in the head, with a .25-caliber handgun and a sawed-off shotgun. Federal authorities began looking at the case in April to determine whether to file federal carjacking charges, which can carry the death sentence if prosecutors can prove the crime was committed during a homicide. U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey must approve seeking a death sentence in the federal case. Prosecutors said Monday he has yet to do so. Orange County District Attorney Jim Woodall has said he will seek the death penalty against Atwater, but juries there have rarely sentenced defendants to death row. Lovette is ineligible for the death penalty under a U.S. Supreme Court ruling because he is under age 18 at the time of the crime of which he is accused. Death penalty cases are rare in federal cases, according to former federal prosecutor Dan Boyce. Since 1977, there have been three cases where federal prisoners have been executed, including Timothy McVeigh for his role in the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3829543/

10/27/2008 7:32:21 PM

kill them now pass judgment later.

10/27/2008 7:43:28 PM

I'm not convinced this wasn't suicide.

10/27/2008 9:11:56 PM

get the fuck out of here

10/27/2008 10:00:14 PM

^^ how do you figure?

10/27/2008 10:43:23 PM

^Its Apoc and he'll say anything for someone (anybody) to notice him. He'd probably open a door for two random thugs at 3:30AM, not to be a good Samaritan, but to tell them about some life story he just made up.

10/28/2008 12:05:07 AM

Quote :

"Eve Carson opposed death penalty, parents say Hillsborough, N.C. — Eve Carson's parents say their daughter did not support the death penalty – and neither do they. But Orange County prosecutor Jim Woodall says that despite their beliefs, they support his decision to seek the death penalty against one of the two suspects charged in her death. "I am aware of their position, and I respect it immensely," Woodall said. "They've also said they support me and what I feel I need to do to prosecute this case." The district attorney announced in August that he plans to seek the death penalty against Demario James Atwater, 22, who is charged with first-degree murder and kidnapping in connection with Carson's death. Police found the 22-year-old University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill senior dead in the middle of a residential street near the UNC campus while responding to gunshots in the early-morning hours of March 5. Investigators believe Atwater and another man, Laurence Alvin Lovette Jr, 17, kidnapped Carson and forced her to withdraw $1,400 from ATMs before shooting her five times, including once in the head. Atwater also faces federal carjacking charges, which could also allow federal authorities to seek a death sentence. Lovette can't be executed if he is convicted in Carson's death. A 2005 U.S. Supreme Court ruling prohibits anyone who was under the age of 18 at the time of a crime to be executed. No one has been sentenced to death in Orange County since North Carolina reinstated the death penalty in 1977. The last person executed for a crime there was in 1948."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3835452/

10/28/2008 5:00:39 PM

I wonder if she would change her mind now? After having experienced first hand such a brutal death. Most people have no experience with such brutality and thus can't understand why the death penalty is a valid punishment.

10/28/2008 5:17:59 PM

it's fucked up that they're pursing the death penalty so hard when the girl was so opposed to it

and don't even start with that "i bet she'd think differently now" bullshit, cause every anti death penalty person out there has contemplated the whole "what if it were me" thing.

rednecks

10/28/2008 6:13:05 PM

Quote :

"it's fucked up that they're pursing the death penalty so hard when the girl was so opposed to it"

what the fuck does that matter? Since when is it the decision of the victim as to how the crime is prosecuted?
The law is the law, regardless of what the victim thinks/thought

10/28/2008 6:19:11 PM

it matters because....

the death penalty is only an option and not mandatory. its not like she had something against jail.

add the fact that prosecutors usually let victims have a say in the weight of the sentence, it's really not a huge jump to say that they should respect her opinion. (and yes i know she can't have a say because she's dead, but her position was made clear during life)

anyway, i'm not gonna sit here and argue with blood-thirsty rednecks all night. it's pretty obvious what should be done here. i say respect the wishes of the people who were actually hurt by this...

but i'm just a stupid liberal idiot who just doesn't "get it" i suppose. carry on with the "fry the nigger" talk.

10/28/2008 6:24:28 PM

I wonder how her parents would feel if these guys take another person's life because the court let the them influence the ruling? I think it's fair to consider whether or not they are a threat to other inmates if they are allowed to be put into the prison's general population.

[Edited on October 28, 2008 at 6:38 PM. Reason : s]

10/28/2008 6:34:40 PM

The DA doesn't give a shit what the parents think. He's said as much already.

10/28/2008 7:14:31 PM

Quote :

"I wonder how her parents would feel if these guys take another person's life because the court let the them influence the ruling? I think it's fair to consider whether or not they are a threat to other inmates if they are allowed to be put into the prison's general population."

i'm really not trying to be a dick when i say this, but maybe you should read up on NCDOC and all the different inmate evaluations and classifications, and the different levels of secure custody.... the color coded jumpsuits and all that.

not only is it kinda interesting, it will explain a lot about what general population for the average prisoner is - and how they keep violent offenders (close custody) away from "weaker" offenders. it goes from dorms full of people who can freely roam all the way to one man to a cell lockdown

you also might want to look up deaths in NC due to inmate on inmate violence. you're pretty much more likely to die in a car crash than you are from serving time in DOC custody.

using the death penalty to "prevent more violence" is a stretch

10/29/2008 11:29:40 AM

EVen if she bought them off of a frat boy frat boys aren't full fledged dealers and answer to someone. If said frat boy was giving them to her on credit and she wasn't able to pay then pressure gets put on fratboy. Fratboys tells them the truth to save face and they deal with Eve first hand. Eve promises to pay and drags it on thinking "they can't mess with me" possibly even tells them fuck off and at some later time this event happens.

Snitching is frowned upon in the thug/gang community so obviously the guys who did the job are going to lie till death.

10/29/2008 5:10:32 PM

ok, you're done here. goodbye.

10/29/2008 5:44:37 PM