http://www.policymic.com/articles/78153/5-moments-show-the-truth-about-ariel-sharon-the-mainstream-media-probably-won-t-tell-you

So glad the monster is dead... hope he suffered while in coma.

Now he will burn in hell for eternity with Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, OBL, Saddam, Qaddafi, Assad, and more.

1/25/2014 6:06:04 PM

Out of curiosity, how did you react when Arafat died?

1/30/2014 6:28:20 PM

Jesus Jehovah Christ, stop trying to make everything an equivalency

1/30/2014 6:47:34 PM

This is relevant, even though from November. About why born again Christians are so rabidly pro Israel.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/73505/george-w-bush-jews-for-jesus-speech-causes-uproar-but-it-shouldn-t

1/30/2014 9:20:32 PM

It was a fair question, and not a defense of Sharon's actions or policies. But iff you put Sharon on a level with Hitler and Saddam, where is Arafat? I'm trying to figure out what your scale is.

1/31/2014 2:27:11 PM

no, its what you do every time

[Edited on January 31, 2014 at 2:30 PM. Reason : probably while drinking your illegal Soda Stream]

1/31/2014 2:30:06 PM

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"stop trying to make everything an equivalency"

I'm not making anything into anything. I just want to hear his opinion, which he has had no problem sharing on any other subject.

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"probably while drinking your illegal Soda Stream"

I would never buy a soda stream, because I think it's a ridiculous product. But if it is "illegal" then so are most of the parts to your cell phone, computer, clothes, car, and the food you eat.

[Edited on January 31, 2014 at 2:49 PM. Reason : -]

1/31/2014 2:46:07 PM

most of the parts in my cellphone came from an illegal Israeli settlement?

[Edited on January 31, 2014 at 2:56 PM. Reason : and yes, sodastream operating there is illegal]

1/31/2014 2:54:58 PM

The problem I'm hearing about soda stream is where the factory is located, a factory which employs Palestinians and treats them decently well:

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"“Before boycotting, they should think of the workers who are going to suffer,” says a young man shivering in the pre-dawn darkness in Azzariah, a West Bank town cut off from work opportunities in Jerusalem by the concrete Israeli separation wall. Previously, he earned 20 shekels ($6) a day plucking and cleaning chickens; now he makes nearly 10 times that at SodaStream, which also provides transportation, breakfast, and lunch."

Let's now compare that to the average American cell phone and where most of our electronics come from:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/09/conflict_minerals_from_the_congo_is_your_cellphone_made_with_them.html

So while people try to boycott a company that actually supports it's employees regardless of nationality, they seem to be ok with what happens elsewhere.

[Edited on January 31, 2014 at 8:20 PM. Reason : -]

1/31/2014 8:19:45 PM

See guys? Israel is not as bad as the Congo, so it's alright!

1/31/2014 11:37:18 PM

the Palestinians are not treated well, they were forced to participate in a video where they said they were. then they said that it was all for show and they are not treated well.

but it doesn't matter either way since the settlement is illegal, it's Palestinian land

1/31/2014 11:44:13 PM

At least the Europeans are a bit more moral than Americans in this regard

http://www.arabnews.com/news/518656

2/1/2014 12:31:34 AM

http://www.worldbulletin.net/palestine/133374/israel-demolishes-bedouin-village-for-68th-time

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"Israeli forces on Wednesday demolished the Bedouin village of Al-Araqib in the Negev Desert for the 68th time. "A large number of army and police forces stormed into the village and leveled ten homes to the ground," Awad Abu Frieh, a spokesman for the families of the village, told Anadolu Agency. "The occupation force had not allowed the owners of the destroyed homes to take their belongings from the rubble, leaving them in the open air for the 68th time," he added. Abu Frieh said that Israeli bulldozers had also destroyed eight homes in different areas in the Negev Desert, describing the event as a "massacre of Palestinian presence" in the desert. Israeli officials could not be reached for comment. Around 70 Palestinians, who carry Israeli citizenships, live in Al-Araqib. They say they own the land of the village even before Israel came into being in 1948. More than 220,000 Palestinians live in the Negev Desert in general, but half of them live in villages and population concentrations that existed hundreds of years ago, according to Israeli statistics. "

4/19/2014 6:45:14 PM

"The most moral army in the world"

"The only democracy in the Middle East"

"We are surrounded by people who want to destroy us"



I hope those who took part in it, those who authorized it, those who let it happen, and those who did not object to it, I hope they all contract the Ebola virus and die a painful death. Or simply get run over by trucks. Either way, they will all burn in Hell for eternity.

4/19/2014 7:44:15 PM

They were just helping the a-rabs do a little spring cleaning, that's all.

4/19/2014 10:56:09 PM

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"A new survey out Wednesday found that, contrary to the actions of their political leaders, the majority of the Israeli public favors teaching peace in schools and believes the Palestinian narrative should be presented to students."

https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/12/26-5

It seems Palestinians don't share that sentiment when it comes to teaching children. This episode of the children's show "Tomorrow's Pioneers" aired just last week.

5/12/2014 3:40:12 PM

the code that you cut and paste makes the video appropriately sized, no need to make it huge

5/12/2014 3:51:49 PM

US officials: Even if Israel doesn’t like it, Palestinians will get state

Members of Kerry’s team slam Netanyahu, empathize with Abbas, warn Palestine will rise ‘whether through violence or via int’l organizations’

http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-officials-even-if-israel-doesnt-like-it-palestinians-will-get-state/#ixzz31X7qsJlC

5/12/2014 4:02:02 PM

I didn't change the size, I never know what numbers to put in. That's from whatever embed code youtube gave me, same as I always just cut and paste. My apologies if it's too big, didn't intend for that.

5/12/2014 4:20:38 PM

Footage of Palestinian boys being shot is genuine, says Israeli rights group
B'Tselem contradicts Israeli military claims that CCTV footage showing deaths is either forged or was edited misleadingly
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/footage-palestinian-boys-shot-genuine-btselem

CNN recorded Israeli soldiers shooting at Palestinian boys

5/22/2014 4:49:12 PM

if they weren't terrorist Palestinians they wouldn't have had to have been shot.

5/22/2014 5:49:52 PM

^^ GTFO with that anti-Semitism... don't you know that Hitler killed 6 million Jews? You are talking about the "most moral army in the world", of course any video showing them doing terrible things has to be fake.

^ Exactly.

5/22/2014 5:56:48 PM

The footage is genuine, it's clearly a video of 2 guys getting hit and falling to the ground. My question is whether they were hit by rubber bullets but reported by Palestinian sources to have been hit with real ammunition.

If things like this hadn't been faked in the past, then I think the claims wouldn't be getting as much attention.

B'tselem also has been found guilty of staging photographs before. They aren't exactly creditable (then again, neither is the Israeli government, so I don't really believe either of them).

[Edited on May 22, 2014 at 7:33 PM. Reason : -]

5/22/2014 7:29:43 PM

So because things have been faked in the past, that means the Israeli government can intentionally lie about the case at hand?

[Edited on May 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM. Reason : ]

5/22/2014 7:39:36 PM

Because things have been faked in the past, you can't assume they're lying.

Especially since it's B'tselem that everyone is quoting.

5/22/2014 8:05:21 PM

i don't understand how you are just casually mentioning that maybe they are rubber bullets like that makes it okay to shoot a kid in the back because he may have been one of the kids who threw some rocks

actually i do understand, you think they are less than human because you have a fabricated connection to Israel

5/22/2014 10:30:17 PM

All you see is any semblance of this being a 2-sided conflict and you immediately jump to "Oh, he must think all Israelis are perfect and all Palestinians are evil."

I am saying there is a difference between rubber bullets and the supposed one "found" in the guy's backpack that looks like it was pried from it's casing and show's no damage that you would expect a bullet to take when it travels entirely through a person, into a backpack, and into a textbook.

Shooting rubber bullets at rock throwers is already excessive, complain about that and I'll agree. But staging a scene to make it look like a real bullet was fired intentionally at a teenager, that's worse. I haven't seen reports of any other bullets or casings found at the site. If there was intent to kill they would have been using real ammunition all day. I'd have an easier time believing the shooting was real if stuff like this hadn't been faked several times before.

5/23/2014 3:53:07 PM

That there were casings isn't in dispute, CNN recorded the shooting and even you are saying that they at least shot rubber bullets (which have casings). The casings would be on the other side of the border where the gun was fired.

Jesus Yahweh Christ

5/24/2014 11:30:54 AM

In the past, Israel has faked the idea of things being faked.

5/24/2014 2:26:39 PM

The question is was a real (not rubber) bullet fired or not.

5/24/2014 7:02:08 PM

Or "why did they shoot a kid in the back with a very dangerous and potentially lethal rubber bullet"

It's because Israel is a shitty apartheid state

5/25/2014 9:05:31 AM

some people think rubber bullets are not dangerous... let me lob a bit of rubber at you at 200 m/s and tell me it is not dangerous. anyway, it has a steel core, so it is not a "rubber bullet", but a "rubber coated steel bullet".

yes, they are dangerous, and they have maimed and killed people in the past.

5/25/2014 10:00:58 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/01/us-palestinians-israel-strike-idUSKBN0F638Q20140701

7/1/2014 10:24:38 AM

Collective punishment continues

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/09/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0FC0JP20140709

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" Israeli air strikes shook Gaza every few minutes on Wednesday, and militants kept up rocket fire at Israel's heartland in intensifying warfare that Palestinian officials said has killed at least 38 people in the Hamas-dominated enclave."

7/9/2014 11:58:37 AM

I watched the Anthony Boudain (sp?) show on the region and it was I think the most fair piece of reporting done there ever. Neither side really wants to have to give up or do anything for peace. I think we as American's just can't relate to it.

7/9/2014 4:51:26 PM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/10/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0FC0JP20140710

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"(Reuters) - At least 76 Palestinians, most of them civilians, have been killed in Israel's Gaza offensive, Palestinian officials said on Thursday, and militants kept up rocket attacks on Tel Aviv and other cities in warfare showing no signs of ending soon. Eight Palestinian family members, including five children, were killed in an early morning air strike that destroyed at least two homes in Khan Younis in southern Gaza, the Palestinian Health ministry said. Israel's military made no comment on what would be the deadliest strike since the offensive began on Tuesday."

7/10/2014 11:14:13 AM

some of the media coverage is showing footage of Gaza and reporting it as damage in Israel

7/10/2014 11:22:42 AM

Of course, these are just a sample of a few silly israeli kids on twitter, but still

https://storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

7/11/2014 3:35:56 PM

Egyptian-proposed cease-fire immediately collapses

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/15/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKBN0FI04420140715

7/15/2014 12:17:49 PM

So, has everyone pretty much given up trying to discuss this topic? Is there even an argument to be made anymore in defense of Israel? Is anyone other than bdmazur willing to defend it?


And no, I'm not defending Hamas. But the ratio of civilian deaths are so absurdly one-sided, that this entire operation cannot be seen as "self defense"

[Edited on July 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ]

7/16/2014 4:38:39 PM

Here's a good article that should be able to generate some discussion:
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/07/14/understanding-the-permanence-of-greater-israel/

7/16/2014 4:41:41 PM

I think what pisses me off the most about Israel, is the intentional dishonesty designed to placate the "moderates and progressives." They won't just come out and say, "we're going to annex the Gaza strip and west bank, no matter what."

Instead, they use every tiny little excuse to justify their conquest and contort the narrative to frame their aggression as "self defense." And while that may seem plainly obvious to outsiders, that amateurish mind game works flawlessly on people like bdmazur, who reflexively throw their hands up and say, "well, what else could they do?"


Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

7/16/2014 5:00:29 PM

Israel has EVERY right to defend themselves against terrorist attacks from Hamas.

7/16/2014 5:42:48 PM

Whose right is it to defend Gaza against terrorist attacks from Israel?

7/16/2014 9:03:48 PM

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"But the ratio of civilian deaths are so absurdly one-sided, that this entire operation cannot be seen as "self defense""

Well, maybe Hamas should stop firing rockets from and hiding in civilian locations. The people in the Gaza Strip know who these assholes are and where they are, and they don't kick them out. As far as I'm concerned, they have their own blood on their hands. This isn't to say that Israel is blameless, because they are acting like total d-bags, too, but Hamas isn't even making a pretense of trying to avoid civilian casualties. Fuck em

7/16/2014 11:41:36 PM

Collective Punishment. If it's good enough for Israel, it's good enough for aaronburro.

7/17/2014 3:20:57 AM

it's interesting to see that the people most vocal about protecting fetuses don't give a shit about babies if they are Palestinian

and by interesting I mean entirely not surprising at all

http://www.countthekids.org/

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"Counting the kids. From 2000 until today. For every Israeli kid killed 11.9 Palestinian kids have been killed"

[Edited on July 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2014 12:08:29 PM

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"Fuck em"

7/17/2014 12:22:14 PM

soccer? fuck em.



[Edited on July 17, 2014 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2014 12:26:09 PM

Hamas regularly hides behind civilians. I don't know if Israel has purposely targeted any civilians or kids (and if they have then that's terrible) but they do need to kill the people who are shooting rockets indiscriminately at their population.

7/17/2014 12:30:12 PM