what page should I go to, to read about said better methods..dont feel like searching for it.

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11/22/2010 1:55:32 PM

Random dissections to make sure you don't have contraband hidden in your organs.
FLYING IS A PRIVILEGE....NOT A RIGHT!!! IF YOU DON'T WANT TO SUBMIT TO BEING DISSECTED THEN JUST RIDE URE CAMEL!!!

11/22/2010 1:56:02 PM

Obviously if people are still getting dubious objects onto planes, then the current security methods aren't working.

If you are going to come into this thread and preach about them needing to think up alternative methods, then you should at least provide a few examples of effective alternatives.

11/22/2010 1:57:16 PM

^^^ page 8

11/22/2010 1:59:20 PM

^^Those examples have been provided throughout the thread. Regular metal detectors are just as useful as these body scanners. The air puff technology discussed several pages back would be just fine. Heck, I'd be fine if they could come up with a way of detonating any explosives on a person in a blast proof box. THAT would be a good deterrent.

[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ^]

11/22/2010 2:00:57 PM

That would be pretty bad ass

11/22/2010 2:02:11 PM

Do you think Clark Kent gave a lot of people cancer?

[Edited on November 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM. Reason : no fatties]

11/22/2010 2:09:51 PM

If you want to get theoretical:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101110113201.htm

Quote :

"A Tel Aviv University scientist leads a research team that has developed a powerful electronic sensor to detect multiple kinds of explosives -- including those used in the recent Yemeni bomb threat. Based on nanotechnology advances, the new sensor is small, portable, and is more sensitive and reliable at detecting explosives than any sniffer dog, says its lead researcher Prof. Fernando Patolsky of Tel Aviv University's Raymond and Beverly Sackler School of Chemistry."

If you want changes for tomorrow:



Hell even the TSA can get behind using dogs

11/22/2010 2:12:38 PM

Quote :

"^^Those examples have been provided throughout the thread. Regular metal detectors are just as useful as these body scanners. The air puff technology discussed several pages back would be just fine. Heck, I'd be fine if they could come up with a way of detonating any explosives on a person in a blast proof box. THAT would be a good deterrent. "

They should put the person with the explosives in the box as well...and blow them up along with the explosives.

11/22/2010 4:13:55 PM

^That was the idea.

11/22/2010 4:17:17 PM

Look, if State makes it to the ACC Championship Game, wins, and goes on to play in the Orange Bowl in Miami, the TSA can do or grope whatever the fuck they need to on me so that I can get down there to see that game.

11/22/2010 5:01:24 PM

11/22/2010 5:06:31 PM

^ I posted that and no one paid attention to it

11/22/2010 5:07:17 PM

UM I'm 12 years old and what is this?

11/22/2010 5:46:57 PM

^^But did you embed it?

I'm a latecomer to this thread, but I just heard about this (maybe already been discussed), but it looked like a reasonable compromise:

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/261/679/Airport_X-Ray_Machines:_UPDATE.html

Quote :

"7/17/10 New body-scanner software to show only stick figures Boston's Logan International Airport hopes to be the first airport in the country to get new software that should eliminate privacy concerns over full-body scanners at security checkpoints. The software would produce stick-figure images of passengers instead of the more revealing images currently viewed by operators at remote stations. The software would detect suspicious objects on passengers that require further attention - such as possible weapons or explosives - allowing Transportation Security Administration screeners and explosive weapons specialists to hone in on them and determine whether they pose a danger."

11/22/2010 5:53:44 PM

TSA screeners are joke; lets say they do detect a bomb, what are they going to do? They aren't armed.

11/22/2010 6:09:30 PM

call me, ill take care of it

11/22/2010 6:11:03 PM

they will make you either check it with your luggage or throw it in the little trash can they have there

11/22/2010 6:11:17 PM

I feel like I should chub it up a little in line or let them know I am a grow-er not a show-er when I get cock looked tomorrow.

11/22/2010 6:27:28 PM

I read a good comment somewhere saying that women should wear huge pads...maybe even double up that way you can give the TSA a little run for their money and they will really ask you to strip down....bonus points if you are actually on your period.

11/23/2010 8:27:37 AM

We were planning a ski trip to colorado in january.

I don't want to risk having my 3 year old strip searched and/or fondled, so we're going to do something driveable instead.

hopefully they'll come to their fucking senses soon.

11/23/2010 8:49:46 AM

The cracks are starting

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2032786,00.html

Quote :

"Since the controversy erupted, pilots have been waived from the screenings, and children under 12 are now exempt as well. "

Quote :

""We seem to react to each previous incident by grafting on more security. That's been a pattern since 9/11. With this particular iteration, for some Americans it's just become a question of, Where does it end?" says Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University. Hoffman, who thinks the government bungled the implementation process by failing to explain the nature of and the need for the new strictures, cites this weekend's al-Qaeda boast as evidence that aviation security is in need of a rethink. "When you have the terrorist group you're doing this against crowing about their success, forcing us to spend exponentially greater amounts of money," he says, "we have to step back and ask the sensible question of, How much is enough?" "

11/23/2010 9:35:22 AM

^ al-q has been claiming victory since 9/11, when we shut down airports, bailed out airports, enacted the patriot act, etc.

Their gloating shouldn’t factor in to our decision-making process.

11/23/2010 9:39:43 AM

The ridiculous thing is that these scanners are justified in the name of security to prevent things like the shoe bomber, or underwear bomber...

Both incidents were for flights that didn't originate in the US, iirc.

So, even with these new security measures, we would still be susceptible to the same danger

O____________________o

11/23/2010 9:42:46 AM

This morning on NPR they were interviewing some higher up guy from the TSA. The dude couldn't have been any more obvious about avoiding answering the questions.

But I did learn you can get 5 to 10 pies through security no problem.

11/23/2010 9:47:54 AM

Agree somewhat...but at the same time, you can't deny the effect that each attack has on the US security measures. Every new implementation is a result of an isolated unique attack. Shoes, nail clippers, liquids, now the body scanners, costing the US billions of dollars. We need measures that can cover a broader range of potential attacks, not a multimillion dollar venture from lobbyists that will sometimes work.

Here's the gloat in question:

http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC101122-0000056/Al-Qaeda-vows-more-thousand-cuts-attacks

Quote :

"WASHINGTON - Al Qaeda's Yemen-based wing has threatened more small-scale attacks against the United States to inflict broad economic damage - a new strategy which it likens to bleeding its enemy to death by "a thousand cuts". In a new edition of its online English magazine, the group Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula boasted that its recent attempt to bomb two US-bound cargo planes was cheap, costing only US$4,200 ($5,442) to carry out. The bombs were intercepted last month in Britain and Dubai, sparking a worldwide security alert. "To bring down America we do not need to strike big," it said. "In such an environment of security phobia that is sweeping America, it is more feasible to stage smaller attacks that involve less players and less time to launch." Mr Ben Venzke, who runs a US company dedicated to serving intelligence agencies, said the magazine showed the growing savvy of the Al Qaeda branch in both operations and messaging. He said that in many years of closely following terrorist groups' public statements, he has never seen "such a detailed accounting of the philosophy, operational details, intent and next steps following a major attack". He called it "a far cry from the days of shadowy claims and questions as to who was actually responsible". The fact that the group is "able to pump out this propaganda" also shows Al Qaeda is still able to operate with relative freedom, said the Carnegie Endowment for Peace's Christopher Boucek. Al Qaeda said the fear, disruption and added security costs caused by the parcel bombs made what it called "Operation Hemorrhage" a success. "Two Nokia mobiles, $150 each, two HP printers, $300 each, plus shipping, transportation and other miscellaneous expenses add up to a total bill of $4,200," it claimed. It also mocked the notion that the plot was a failure, saying it was the work of "less than six brothers" over three months. "This supposedly 'foiled plot' will without a doubt cost America and other Western countries billions of dollars in new security measures. That is what we call leverage," the group wrote. Agencies "

11/23/2010 9:49:47 AM

I remember right after 9/11 one of my teachers was telling us that if the terrorists really wanted to freak out americans they should go to small towns where people think nothing could ever happen there and do shit.

That way Americans really don't feel safe anywhere.

11/23/2010 9:52:44 AM

^^ That's exactly right, and what I mean when I've said how these ridiculous measures are proof that the terrorists have been successful in getting what they want.


Everyone arguing in this thread should read this (short excerpt below):

http://www.powerseductionandwar.com/archives/the_terrorist_d.phtml

Quote :

"By the nature of its violence and drama, for terrorism is nothing more than an organized spectacle of violence, it is certain to stir emotions. Understanding the logic of terror, it is best to keep the attacks unpredictable, seemingly random. The first seed is sown by unbalancing the mind of the opposing commander. The terrorist act seems to warrant a strong response. In this case, strong replaces intelligent. To find this small group of radicals requires an oversized police force. The chain reaction effect is inevitably set in motion by the harsh reprisal. By entering their space with police or military presence, there are now more targets to hit, more waves of publicity to garner, making them seem larger, feeding their capacity to create the spectacle. Everything becomes imbalanced--society is polarized, disproportionate fear is stirred, more impatience and need for reprisals is manufactured. The desired avalanche is set off."

[Edited on November 23, 2010 at 9:56 AM. Reason : .]

11/23/2010 9:56:22 AM

Quote :

"Since the controversy erupted, pilots have been waived from the screenings, and children under 12 are now exempt as well."

Great...Al Queda terrorists have repeatedly shown that they will sacrifice their loved ones in the name of martyrdom. If they're going to neuter their program they might as well get rid of it completely (which I fully support).

And it's ok to fondle 13-15 year olds, but not 12 year olds? I remember how awkward those years were. I wasn't comfortable getting a physical from a doctor to play sports. Having a TSA employee touch my junk in the airport would have been very disturbing.

11/23/2010 10:03:24 AM

In order to protect freedom we must destroy it!

11/23/2010 11:12:36 AM

Thank god reasonable people are fighting this tooth and nail. Apathetic motherfuckers will owe them an apology and some thanks

[Edited on November 23, 2010 at 12:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/23/2010 12:23:37 PM

This outrage is totally bogus IMO
People have no problem with the military dropping bombs all over Iraq and Afghanistan, often times killing innocent civilians, but as soon as you get a pat down then thats just crossing the line

And anyone who is advocating the removal of these measures will only set up justification for more extreme measures should any terrorist attack succeed on an airplane

[Edited on November 23, 2010 at 12:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/23/2010 12:35:46 PM

Quote :

"People have no problem"

don't put words like that in my mouth, motherfucker.

11/23/2010 12:41:46 PM

Quote :

"This outrage is totally bogus IMO People have no problem with the military dropping bombs all over Iraq and Afghanistan, often times killing innocent civilians, but as soon as you get a pat down then thats just crossing the line"

Boy if only I could care about more than one thing at a time!

Fuck yourself. If you and all of the other submissives could go to prison island and let the rest of us live free, this wouldn't matter. Until then whatever stupid fucking ideas your "betters" have planted in your head are fucking with the rest of us too

Learn to think, wake the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and pay the fuck up

11/23/2010 1:11:35 PM

11/23/2010 1:25:57 PM

Quote :

"I remember right after 9/11 one of my teachers was telling us that if the terrorists really wanted to freak out americans they should go to small towns where people think nothing could ever happen there and do shit. That way Americans really don't feel safe anywhere."

lol ... some people already feel that way. You should've heard my grandparents after 9/11 arguing that Cortland, NY was a likely target

11/23/2010 2:40:42 PM

Quote :

"Fuck yourself. If you and all of the other submissives could go to prison island and let the rest of us live free, this wouldn't matter. Until then whatever stupid fucking ideas your "betters" have planted in your head are fucking with the rest of us too"

You seem to be more concerned with throwing a temper tantrum than actually getting what you want.
If you want your freedoms then you should not ask to remove these security measures which will only set you up for failure, cause odds are we will be attacked again and people like you will be blamed for having made us less safe and you will give the lunatic right all the power to do whatever they want.

So if you want the voice of the people heard, then realize that more than 1/2 of people in USA want more security, at least for the time being.
Its better to let 'em have it for now, then roll it back later.

11/23/2010 2:41:56 PM

I don't know if this has been posted yet but...

11/23/2010 2:42:57 PM

Quote :

"Its better to let 'em have it for now, then roll it back later."

They'll never roll them back later. Give an inch and they'll take a mile blah blah etc etc.

11/23/2010 2:45:57 PM

im bout sick of you motherfuckers

all this fuckin whining is just gonna get us bombed again because yall faggots make us look like chickenshit dickheads and pansy asses from MAMBY PAMPY LAND

fuckin god man, there are motherfuckers that dont get food and water and this is what you want to cry about?

11/23/2010 2:47:00 PM

i swear to god id be smarter by not being exposed to these pseudointellectual perpetrators

11/23/2010 2:47:51 PM

I live in the first world so I can have first world problems to complain about! Don't you get it, BigHitSunday?

11/23/2010 2:48:23 PM

no i really dont. egocentrism is not a valued trait

11/23/2010 2:49:20 PM

If I wanted third world problems to complain about, I'd move to Haiti durr.

11/23/2010 2:50:07 PM

whatever

11/23/2010 2:50:25 PM

great quote from twitter

Quote :

"Body scans and genital fondlings would save more lives if our Government was paying to have them done in hospitals rather than airports."

11/23/2010 3:34:40 PM

haha true

11/23/2010 3:44:59 PM

Quote :

"all this fuckin whining is just gonna get us bombed again because yall faggots make us look like chickenshit dickheads and pansy asses from MAMBY PAMPY LAND"

This makes no fucking sense whatsoever

Quote :

"fuckin god man, there are motherfuckers that dont get food and water and this is what you want to cry about?"

Man if only I could care about more than one thing at a time

11/23/2010 3:51:37 PM

besides if america slides completely into an autocratic police-state then literally nobody benefits, LEAST of all in the 3rd world

11/23/2010 3:57:11 PM

BigHitSunday sounds like a r'tard

11/23/2010 3:58:59 PM