I was just building the legend of TJ up a little bit. I don't think he majors in Industrial Engg.

3/4/2014 4:46:15 PM

If he was I'd send him all of my old Maple assignments.

3/4/2014 4:52:51 PM

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"I don't get why the national (or for that matter, the local) perception is that we are "real bad"? I mean, I know we aren't great and not a tourney team, but we are within a missed call/shot or five from being a tourney lock and top 5 in the ACC. "

many non-ncsu fans don't watch our games, most just see box scores and we have a terrible record against RPI top 50

3/4/2014 4:54:12 PM

it hurts when beating a top 50 rpi team knocks them out of the top 50

3/4/2014 5:03:24 PM

Come on guys. Do homework and exams for TJ Warren. Increase his GPA above 3.0 to put him into the team!

3/4/2014 5:08:18 PM

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Think he's a Sports Management major.

3/4/2014 4:41:00 PM


You are correct. He even talks about it during the last game why it's so "fun"

3/4/2014 5:32:59 PM

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"^our rivals already kill us on the recruiting trail. Have you seen Duke and UNC's classes the next two years? If we pulled either of them people would be calling Gottfried a God"

Didn't know Duke & UNC have c/o 2015 commits - please enlighten us.

Also, Gottfried reeled in 3 McD's AA's in 2012, one more last year, and two more from Oak Hill this year. I'm not seeing where we are getting killed.

3/4/2014 5:35:47 PM

Duke has possibly one of their best classes ever coming in next year with 4 players in the top10, and they're about to get a visit from the #2 guy in the country who is a center (they have the #1 player committed, who is also a center).

3/4/2014 6:10:03 PM

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"Duke has possibly one of their best classes ever coming in next year with 4 3 players in the top10,"

3/4/2014 6:17:04 PM

Looks like Syracuse is getting killed too.

3/4/2014 6:18:22 PM

^^oh yeah, i was looking at position rankings. they have 3 top7 guys, and an additional guy in the top36 (scout)

3/4/2014 6:39:47 PM

Tony buckets for player of the year!! His game is a nice throwback, he really showed those young bloods a thing or two last night.

3/4/2014 9:34:55 PM

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"Also, Gottfried reeled in 3 McD's AA's in 2012, one more last year, and two more from Oak Hill this year."

The Martin twins (he mentioned two from Oak Hill) aren't McD AAs are they?

3/4/2014 10:38:51 PM

No.

3/4/2014 10:57:15 PM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/03/04/4740627/decock-nc-states-warren-front.html

3/5/2014 3:36:00 AM

I love decock

3/5/2014 5:50:30 AM

what are the legitimate reasons to say that he is not ACC POY?

3/5/2014 6:05:20 AM

^some idiots have tried to use the "he's not a good defender" excuse which is flat out wrong. Others use the "his team hasn't won anything" which I find funny because we wouldn't be anywhere close to .500 in the ACC without him. He's just been so far and away better than anyone else, it's ridiculous that there are people overlooking him.

He'll, the color commentator for the fsu/bc game last night said he thought Paige deserved it and backed it up by saying that Paige was great in a game he called and that UNC would be terrible without him. Made me laugh. Then he mentioned Malcolm brogdon and I turned the channel. Stupidity that strong shouldn't be allowed on tv. Think of the chilren

3/5/2014 7:43:35 AM

Adam and Joe yesterday were going on and on saying that Lebron isnt the NBA MVP because he hasnt played better than Kevin Durant over the course of the entire season. They then proceeded to say that Paige, Parker and Warren are the frontrunners for the ACC POY, with Paige probably getting the edge because UNC is going to make the NCAA tourney.

Paige and Parker have been great at times, but also have disappeared completely in several games for their teams. I can only think of a couple games this entire season where Warren wasnt the best player on the court, and one of those games he didnt play in due to injury.

I know I have red colored shades on, but to me TJ is the POY and its not even really close

3/5/2014 7:59:02 AM

i've never understood giving an individual award based on team performance

it's why the heismans are such bullshit

3/5/2014 8:02:46 AM

^

3/5/2014 8:31:04 AM

^x4 at least he had the right player from virginia. some dumbass was talking about joe harris last week

3/5/2014 8:54:20 AM

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"He'll, the color commentator for the fsu/bc game last night said he thought Paige deserved it and backed it up by saying that Paige was great in a game he called and that UNC would be terrible without him"

Yep, I also heard Jeff Goodman on radio say Warren shouldn't win it because of State's record. He then proceeded to say that UNC would be nowhere without Paige, & that he was top of his list

.500 in the ACC isn't terrible enough to discount a player from that team from winning the POY. I think what spooks the UNC/Duke homers in the media is that with Green last year, and TJ this, a 'dangerous' trend may begin where they may be forced to vote for the highest scorers. But Tj isn't just a volume scorer, but they're still acting like that's all he does. It's almost criminal.

[Edited on March 5, 2014 at 10:19 AM. Reason : ]

3/5/2014 10:15:11 AM

yeah, Brogdon is legit

3/5/2014 10:18:42 AM

Goodman is on record saying he would vote for Parker. Maybe he mentioned Paige in a radio interview.

I said it before but I'm really ok with any of the three winning it but I'll be pissed if somehow Rodney Hood gets more votes than Warren. Parker will win though. He is what non-NC people have been hearing about all year. Same reasoning Kentucky is still ranked.

[Edited on March 5, 2014 at 11:21 AM. Reason : X]

3/5/2014 11:20:54 AM

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"Jonathan Givony ?@DraftExpress Since '02, only 8 BCS players under age 21 scored >27 pts per-40. Beasley, Cousins, Sweetney, Durant, Griffin,Harangody,Lofton & T.J. Warren"

3/5/2014 1:28:46 PM

TJ isn't part of Chad Ford's top 30 NBA Prospects.

I'm conflicted because I want him to do well in all aspects of life and represent NCSU in the NBA. However, I wouldn't mind if he ended up staying in Raleigh for another season.

3/5/2014 7:39:35 PM

3/5/2014 7:47:33 PM

if it doesn't go to tj it should go to a uva player. you can't have it both ways.

[Edited on March 5, 2014 at 7:52 PM. Reason : but if paige sweeps duke i could see paige.]

3/5/2014 7:52:11 PM

TJ is clearly the ACC POY, and it's not even that close. Any rational observer can see that. Even the UNC and Duke fans I've talked to don't dispute it. Parker and Paige are both great players, but without TJ this team would have 6 wins, tops. He is consistently our best player and most effective scoring option night in and night out, sometimes shouldering the entire scoring load. When he doesn't play well, we lose, and we lose ugly. When he plays well, he gives us a punchers chance against almost anyone in the nation.

Also, it's hardly unprecedented to give the ACC POY to a player on a shitty team. They gave Erick Green co-POY last year who wasn't half the player Warren is on a far shittier team. He deserves it and should/will get it.

For fucks sakes, he leads us in rebounding too, and would probably have some more assists if anyone else on this team could consistently score. It would be borderline lunacy to give the award to anyone else.

[Edited on March 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM. Reason : :]

3/5/2014 8:33:04 PM

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"TJ is clearly the ACC POY, and it's not even that close. Any rational [homerific] observer can see that."

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"but without TJ this team would have 6 wins, tops."

Oh so the POY is now an MVP award. Ok.

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"When he doesn't play well, we lose, and we lose ugly."

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502804

3/6/2014 9:36:39 AM

If Erick Green co-won it last year, TJW should be a lock for it this year.

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 9:41 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2014 9:41:42 AM

I thought Parker was a lock to win it, but if Paige has a big game and helps UNC beat Duke this weekend, think Paige has a really good shot to take it. They'll point out his big game against us, his half against Duke, his block against ND, this coming weekend's game, etc.

3/6/2014 9:48:26 AM

17th on nba draft net

3/6/2014 10:12:06 AM

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"Oh so the POY is now an MVP award. Ok."

Then what is it? The player with the best stats? That's TJ. The most consistently dominant player on the floor throughout the season? That's also TJ. There really isn't any way you can classify it that TJ doesn't win, including if its an "MVP" award. Unless it's an award for the best player on the best team, which historically it's never been, including last year.

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" http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502804 "

Exception that proves the rule. The amazing thing about TJ is that he's had so few poor games that we've only been dumped or lost to a lesser team a few times this season.

3/6/2014 10:29:43 AM

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"Unless it's an award for the best player on the best team, which historically it's never been, including last year. "

Yep. If that's the case, then a UVa player should win it(Harris). They can't have it both ways amirite?

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 10:45 AM. Reason : ]

3/6/2014 10:44:39 AM

It's actually more of a popularity contest. It's the best player on the most popular team. It will be Parker or Paige, depending on how Saturday's game goes.

3/6/2014 11:04:00 AM

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"Then what is it? The player with the best stats? That's TJ. The most consistently dominant player on the floor throughout the season? That's also TJ. There really isn't any way you can classify it that TJ doesn't win, including if its an "MVP" award. Unless it's an award for the best player on the best team, which historically it's never been, including last year. "

Best player in the ACC. Every team has an MVP. Just because TJ is ours doesn't strengthen his case for POY.

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"Exception that proves the rule."

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"When he doesn't play well, we lose, and we lose ugly."

There was only one game where TJ didn't play (or even played reduced minutes), and [surprisingly] we won - http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502804

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"There really isn't any way you can classify it that TJ doesn't win"

Where there's a will, there's a way!

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM. Reason : ^ I can't imagine VT was a very "popular" team last year]

3/6/2014 11:04:51 AM

He goes to NC State that classification right there disqualifies him in most voters minds

3/6/2014 11:10:29 AM

^yup

iNFoGRapHIC!


[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason : :-]

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason : derp]

3/6/2014 11:31:45 AM

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"It's actually more of a popularity contest. It's the best player on the most popular team. It will be Parker or Paige, depending on how Saturday's game goes."

3/6/2014 11:58:43 AM

Maryland game is a fair answer to "he's our entire team"

The counter evidence is that we have lost literally every game he either fouled out of or had limited play time due to foul trouble.

3/6/2014 12:11:29 PM

Maryland was also abysmal in that game.

3/6/2014 12:29:29 PM

I was going to mention that, but a lot of teams have been abysmal in the ACC this year.

We looked like complete shit in the 1st half of that game but ultimately won it comfortably without him and you can't ignore that. Now, if we played a whole season with that roster is Ralston Turner putting 23 and 7 a night and Dez Lee 14 with 4 steals? Probably not

3/6/2014 12:35:07 PM

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"TJ is clearly the ACC POY, and it's not even that close. Any rational observer can see that"

Agreed. If you played the "blind resume" game with acc poy, all of the talking heads would pick TJ in a heartbeat. The only argument where he isn't the absolute clear cut winner is the "best player on a good team" one. And I'll bet more than a few voters who use that argument voted for green last year.

3/6/2014 12:46:34 PM

I must say, it is quite remarkable how quiet the media has been about TJ this year. Even your casual hoops fan would have heard about the likes of Green last season, but this year it is all about blue chip hype.

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 1:01 PM. Reason : f]

3/6/2014 1:00:37 PM

A good article by Austin Johnson on the Legacy of the #24 at State: http://www.backingthepack.com/nc-state-basketball/2014/3/6/5474560/number-24-the-legacy

3/6/2014 1:08:31 PM

24.2 PPG, 6.9 RPG, .528 FG%, .699 FT%, .301 3P%, 1.0 APG, 1.76 STPG, .62 BLKPG
18.8 PPG, 9 RPG , .483 FG%, .731 FT%, .366 3P%, 1.3 APG, 1.03 STPG, 1.37 BLKPG

[Edited on March 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM. Reason : 3 out of 8 ain't bad!!! :trollface:]

3/6/2014 1:14:46 PM

Fuck ACC POY...I want him to get first team All-American so we can hang his jersey.

3/6/2014 1:23:33 PM

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"3 out of 8 ain't bad!!! :trollface"

3/6/2014 1:39:49 PM