accepting the program is trash is how you become trash

virginia hadnt been worth a shit since ralph sampson and no that one leitao fluke year doesnt count. guess they shouldve just given up?

fuck, we didnt accept being a mediocre football school when the best coach in our history is dick sheridan. losing @ wake - a travesty under tom obrien. A OK with mark gottfried

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"I don't understand. His culmination of losses in the first three seasons got him to the NCAAs three straight times"

can we drop this herb sendek talking point please? we were the literal last team into the tournament last season and by all accounts the selection commitee did us the largest favor since they put air force in as a 13 seed a couple years into the iraq war

2/13/2015 8:24:19 PM

Yeah but we lost all (but 1) of the games that make it such a high SOS. I guess I'm just not willing to accept mediocrity like doss. The discrepancy between recruiting classes and results is my issue. Could you imagine what Tony Bennett could do with our classes?

2/13/2015 8:30:30 PM

Have them stand around for 30 seconds every possession?

2/13/2015 8:37:21 PM

tony bennett would go crazy coaching some of our guys

2/13/2015 9:01:53 PM

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"fuck, we didnt accept being a mediocre football school when the best coach in our history is dick sheridan. losing @ wake - a travesty under tom obrien. A OK with mark gottfried"

is anybody actually saying that they're ok with with losing to wake or clemson this year? i think most the posts have pointed out that those are bad, frustrating losses while also pointing to the positives that Gott has done.

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"can we drop this herb sendek talking point please?"

hardly a fair comparison...herb toiled in mediocrity (or worse) before finally making the tournament. gottfried is already way ahead of that.

gott isn't a perfect coach. nobody's gonna mistake him for a HOFer. but he's done a lot of good so far. we're in a rough stretch right now, but damn...go back about 5 pages and it's a goddamn circle jerk over gott.

2/13/2015 10:36:44 PM

^Exactly how old are you? Check Herb's inherited roster for Browns, Woods, CJLs, etc.

His last five years were as good or better than what Gott has done. And Gott has had more talent.

2/13/2015 11:51:05 PM

That's the thing, nobody is saying that. It's a fucking straw man. Of fucking course Gott has done things. That being said, there's shit happening in the games that are systemic. We basketball watchers have serious issue with the inanimate fucktard offense and complete lack of defense. Fucking shit if I have to again watch Turner lag his guy to give up a back breaker three I'm gonna puke.

2/13/2015 11:55:14 PM

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"^Exactly how old are you? Check Herb's inherited roster for Browns, Woods, CJLs, etc. His last five years were as good or better than what Gott has done. And Gott has had more talent."

i'm aware of the shit talent herb had. it took herb 5 years to get a competent roster. gott's done as much in 3 years as herb did in 10.

2/14/2015 8:52:46 AM

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" inanimate fucktard offense and complete lack of defense. Fucking shit if I have to again watch Turner lag his guy to give up a back breaker three I'm gonna puke. "

yeah he's a poor defensive coach. statistically this is gott's worst offensive team...and it ranks 36 in kempon offense efficiency. offense has never been the problem with gott.

2/14/2015 8:56:04 AM

can't wait til we run off another coach to be the laughingstock in the media again. I'm sure Archie is just dying to come coach at a school that has wanted to run off every football, basketball, and baseball coach we have had in the past 20 years.

2/14/2015 12:09:56 PM

Yea this is stupid, let's talk when he's missed a couple NCAA tourneys.

2/14/2015 1:19:04 PM

Being the last team in is the pinnacle of NC State basketball

If we don't think he can win a title, he shouldn't be here. We all know he can't.

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 2:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2015 2:57:23 PM

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"If we don't think he can win a title, he shouldn't be here."

so...when we fire gott who the fuck are you gonna get that can win a title. obviously competing for and winning championships is the ultimate goal. but let's get somewhat realistic about where our program is in the grand scheme of things. just 4 years ago we were suffering through the sidney lowe era. we've come a long way since then. and still have a long way to go in order to compete for championships. but if you're seriously suggesting that gott should be fired after 4 seasons then our program is doomed to be stuck in mediocrity forever. give a coach 4 years to prove he can or can't win a title and then fire him? you'll get nowhere doing that.

2/14/2015 3:06:56 PM

Tony Bennet



If you have no ability to evaluate the talent of someone, then sure, you follow idiotic rules such as give someone XYZ time to prove themselves. You might not have that talent, but I sure can tell that Gott will never ever get close to what we want. You shouldn't project your own deficiencies onto others.

2/14/2015 3:16:33 PM

2/14/2015 3:18:47 PM

you think we can hire tony bennett? ahahahahahaha

2/14/2015 3:22:59 PM

Elliot Avent has been here 17 years without winning the ACC. We are so demanding.

2/14/2015 3:53:44 PM

and you've been insufferable about it for the last 10

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 4:05 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2015 4:01:39 PM

perhaps gottfried's most impressive win to date. on the road vs top 10 team that appeared to be a matchup nightmare. not to mention we were in the midst of a brutal stretch - losing 5 of 6 prior to this.

2/14/2015 6:14:18 PM

+9 credibility

2/14/2015 6:14:36 PM

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"Tied for tenth in the ACC in year 4 with FSU. Behind Clemson and Miami. This is Gott basketball. "

wonder if boozie will give him credit for today's game. doubt it.

2/14/2015 6:16:07 PM

+1 bucket of chicken

2/14/2015 6:17:48 PM

Look at what happens when you play the only big that rebounds and defends.....

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 6:30 PM. Reason : Credit for the W but we still have to beat an awful VT to get to .500]

2/14/2015 6:26:58 PM

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"Look at what happens when you play the only big that rebounds and defends....."

gott's strong gameplan works out and we beat a top 10 team on the road...

....begrudgingly gives gott a backhanded compliment.

2/14/2015 6:31:31 PM

He played Freeman during some of our recent losses too. He was non-existent. Also I heard Tony and Gary talking (before the game) about how Washington stepped up against big time competition. For example he had his double double and a few other double digit scoring games against ND, UVA, UNC and Cincy. My wild guess is there was something non-basketball related that got him benched for a little bit. Or maybe just showing up late to a practice or something.

2/14/2015 6:58:24 PM

^in the postgame gott said it was just based off matchups and he thought freeman would be more effective.

state had the highest points per possession of any louisville opponent all year also best offensive efficiency vs louisville this year... so much for that inanimate, fucktard offense i guess.

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"We basketball watchers have serious issue with the inanimate fucktard offense"

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 7:25 PM. Reason : a]

2/14/2015 7:16:11 PM

Boozie isn't wrong. Freeman is fundamentally our best big, and it's not even close. Good rebounder and great help-defender. He moves his feet so much better than Washington and Anya.

Hopefully he gets more minutes and Washington gets less from here on out.

2/14/2015 8:34:25 PM

for sure...wish freeman could develop more of an offensive, post game. but he's definitely our best defensive big

2/14/2015 9:05:24 PM

Freeman probably knows what he is supposed to do more than the other bigs but that doesn't always translate on the court. None of our bigs are head and shoulders above the others, which is why we have to mix it up and play who's hot. Anya was the best big on the floor in the Jacksonville game. Washington was the best in the first UVA game. Abu was the best big in the Clemson game. Hell, Abu played better than Freeman today. He plays the hot hand. Still curious as to why Washington got benched for awhile though. I mean Dez Lee saw the floor before he did.

Freeman had 3 rebounds today in 21 minutes. The only reason he looked good is he actually scored a couple buckets.

Looking at the box score, both Anya and Abu had better games than Freeman. So his fundamentals seem a bit overhyped. He shoots 40% from the field as a big man. That's horrible.

and while he is the leading rebounder per game, he got 32% of his total rebounds this season before Thanksgiving. No double digit rebounding games for him since Wake on December 6. Meanwhile in the last month, Abu had 12 boards in only 26 minutes one game, Anya had 10 boards today in 28 minutes and Washington had 10 in 24 minutes against UVA. Freeman hasn't been averaging quite as many minutes but it's because he hasn't produced on the court. The guy has regressed more than anyone else on the team since last year. I don't want to hate on him but he hasn't been very good since the beginning of the season

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 9:37 PM. Reason : 2 blocked shots in 425 minutes of basketball for our best defensive big man...]

2/14/2015 9:23:46 PM

Did you even watch the game? He completely shut one of the best bigs in the ACC down.

[Edited on February 14, 2015 at 10:43 PM. Reason : Freeman could have went scoreless and still did great today]

2/14/2015 10:35:31 PM

Did you watch the game? We were rotating and doubling Harrell all game. All of the bigs were effective. You make it sound like Freeman just played him man to man all game.

2/14/2015 10:58:28 PM

When did we last beat two top 10s in one season?

2/14/2015 11:12:33 PM

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"state had the highest points per possession of any louisville opponent all year also best offensive efficiency vs louisville this year... so much for that inanimate, fucktard offense i guess."

interesting... gotta say that Cat's consistently threatening to drive down the lane seemed to create 50%+ of our offense. gotta keep this up (I know ppl on this board have been saying that for year or more now)

2/15/2015 1:41:08 PM

^^ Herb did it 4 times in 2001-02

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/152/year/2002/nc-state-wolfpack

[Edited on February 15, 2015 at 1:56 PM. Reason : but to answer your question, the last time was 2004-05]

2/15/2015 1:50:14 PM

Herb Jules

2/15/2015 1:51:26 PM

Seems important that Gott has done something we haven't done in 10 years. Would be nice to couple that without the bad losses, but I would bet it's been over 20 years since we've had a season without bad losses

2/15/2015 6:37:36 PM

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"Herb did it 4 times in 2001-02"

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"21-11 (8-7)"

2/15/2015 7:37:14 PM

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"^^ Herb did it 4 times in 2001-02 http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/152/year/2002/nc-state-wolfpack"

from that link, we played UVa three times that year. first time they were #4 and we beat them. a month later they had dropped to #10 and we beat them. then a month after that, we played them in the ACCT and they were unranked lol.

2/15/2015 7:48:53 PM

^^ what's your point, JB?

that was a great season for us. first time we made the Tourney in over a decade

[Edited on February 15, 2015 at 7:52 PM. Reason : n]

2/15/2015 7:52:19 PM

Let's not pretend like for most of the ACC season Freeman wouldnt come into games and leave dudes wide open for 3s. That was his calling card for a long time right up there with blocked lay ups. He was a better match up for Harrell because Harrell hit like four 3s in the first game of the season and hasnt really been much of a threat from outside since.

2/15/2015 7:56:01 PM

You still lost 11 games. If that's the extent of Sendek's prosperity, I'm entirely confused why we hired him.

Last I'll acknowledge that I'm not JB.

Saw some of NC State's game yesterday and enjoyed Cat Barber's play.

2/15/2015 8:12:27 PM

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"Freeman is fundamentally our best big"

Except he's incapable of scoring and is in the hunt for worse free throw shooter on the team.

2/15/2015 9:44:54 PM

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"from that link, we played UVa three times that year. first time they were #4 and we beat them. a month later they had dropped to #10 and we beat them. then a month after that, we played them in the ACCT and they were unranked lol."

I almost posted the same thing earlier. Check out UVA that season, they turn to complete crap at the end. Went from ranked as late as 2/19 to playing in the NIT on 3/8 lol

2/15/2015 11:01:35 PM

^^I meant fundamentally on defense. All of our bigs struggle to score, unless Washington is shooting an 18 foot jumper. Freeman had some big put backs last night and is the least turnover prone, so at least he's not really hurting you on offense ... just not really helping.

What Freeman gives you is quickness, rebounding, and high IQ on defense. It's not just the fact he played Harrell so well, but the fact he can basically guard anyone.

There was a point in the first half around the 5:00 mark where Freeman and Cat got caught on a switch and Freeman had to guard Rozier -- arguably the best scoring guard in the ACC. He easily mirrored his movements through the lane, moved his feet, and forced Rozier into a really tough shot that he missed. It's something subtle, but it shows you his contributions go way beyond the stats.

2/16/2015 12:24:47 AM

kind of like the big Aussie for Golden State, right?

2/16/2015 4:00:43 AM

^ Vandenberg?

2/16/2015 10:23:47 AM

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"All of our bigs struggle to score"

To a point, but Freeman has hit double digit points just 3 times in nearly 2 seasons (13,10,10), and averages just over 3 points a game this season. He struggles more than the rest. Washington averages more than twice that with similar minutes.

2/16/2015 10:38:29 AM

I really like Washington shooting the ball, even from 3. But I cringe every time he gets the ball in the post. You know he's either going to (1) Turn it over (2) Force up a terrible shot, no matter how many people are guarding him. Occasionally those terrible shots go in though...

I thought Anya was really good on the glass and on defense too. We know he can block shots, but he did a much better job on staying in control and not trying to block everything. Wish he would go up stronger on offense sometimes, because there's no one that can stop him when he goes up strong. Still a little too much finesse in his game, considering his size

2/16/2015 10:46:26 AM

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"I really like Washington shooting the ball"

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"Force up a terrible shot, no matter how many people are guarding him. Occasionally those terrible shots go in though..."

Which is it?

[Edited on February 16, 2015 at 10:56 AM. Reason : it's not like he turns over the ball more than our other bigs...Anya is worse there, Abu is better]

2/16/2015 10:53:10 AM

im comvinced a large portion of our fanbase is functionally retarded.

2/16/2015 11:49:17 AM