Quote :

"So, are you expected to tip the dealer ON TOP of the rake? Because the rake is generally used to pay their wages. When Jamie Gold left a HUGE tip for the dealers, he was told not to because they were paid so nicely. Are players at the cheapy tables expected to tip dealers often too?"

This is very incorrect.

the rake has nothing to do with the dealers. and yes, youd tip on top of the rake. the rake goes to pay casino commission taxes, to the house, etc.. thats the take. poker dealers are paid much much much lower than say blackjack dealers. think of it morel ike a waitress, low low rates, rely on tips.

for tournaments, the rake does go partially to the dealers. it is customary to leave a percentage of the prize pool to the dealers also however, seeing as how the dealers that run in tournaments arent making tips, they are paid a flat rate, usually much much lower than their regular rate from cash game tables. i mean, its not bad earnings, but probably like $8/hr or so.


but, the WSOP dealers are paid nicely. they are recruited b/c they are some of the best at what they do. hence, paid higher. however, it is still customary.

you play 2/4 or a $50 taj tournament, it aint the same.

10/27/2006 2:19:52 PM

I bow to your infinite wisdom

10/27/2006 2:55:34 PM

to the borg!

10/27/2006 4:28:34 PM

The first time I ever went to a real life casino was a disaster. The first night I played for a couple hours and ended up winning like $100 in no-limit. The next day, I finished in the middle of the pack in a fairly large tournament when my AQ lost to AK. I was fairly devastated, because up unitl that point I had only played very small tournaments (10ish people) and it was very rare for me not to at least place.

Anyways, I figured I'd try my luck at limit, which was stoopid considering I never ever played limit before. Looking back, I wasn't all that good at no-limit at the time, but given the choice between the 2, I definitely had a much better shot at no-limit. Well, I sat down at the table, and of course had to have the betting structure explained to me. I played $1/2 for a bit, but then got bored after pretty much breaking even for a few hours, so I decided $3/6 was a better fit. To anyone who has not played $3/6 before, lemme tell you, you can lose a significant amount of money in a short amount of time.

So about 2 hours in, I was down about $250, angry and befuddled about how KK could be beaten by J7 and how my trips could be beaten by a runner runner flush on a rainbow flop with no draws. I still don't know how people win at limit. What I do know is that there is a fine line between stupidity and solid play on limit tables, and I am about as far away from that line as one can get.

I have noticed that Asian women love to frequent limit tables, and this particular table that I was loosing my ass at had one particularly annoying Asian woman at it (the older ones all seem annoying, no racism intended). She was one of those many people who liked to play any 2 cards, and she always had something to say about the hand, even while it was going on. In one hand there was a raise in front of me, I had JJ and reraised, and she looked in disgust and folded. Eventually when it got down to the action, the flop was something like 722 or 772..... either way she had been dealt 72 and was livid that I raised, going on and on (this after I was still shellshocked after losing $250 for the first time ever). I looked at her and said "You stupid bitch, that's why people raise, so morons like you don't get to play 72, and if you so feel the need, it will be expensive." For the moment, this shut her up. I don't know what the rest of the table thought. Maybe they were thinking the same thing as me, but I doubt it. Limit tables seemed to inevitably filled with idiots who just want to play every single flop, so I imagine they sympathized with the woman.

So like an hour or so later, she was back at it with her non-stop ramblings. I FINALLY won a sizable hand (maybe $100ish dollars) after I had flopped trip 4's and had hit the boat on the river. I don't know/care whether there was even a straight on the board that I outdrew, all I know is that I won the hand. Well after 3 hours of losing (I was down about $300 by now and on my last $100) I was in no mood for tipping. However, this Asian woman felt it necessary to grab 2 of my $1 chips as I was raking in my winnings and hold them up, saying, "You need to give this to dealer cause you win hand." I was in no mood for her, and I get VERY pissed when somone touches my chips. I grabbed them from her hand and told her, "Leave my chips alone, and another thing, I PROMISE that if you shut the fuck up for just 15 minutes, I will give the dealer half of anything I have left when I leave this table." Once again, shock and disbelief from the table. The dealer cautioned me (again haha) for saying fuck, and he warned her not to touch my chips. Needless to say, I only played there another hour or so, but from that point on, the woman was silent. I did keep up my end of the bargain too, as I left the table with exactly $0, to which I gladly gave the dealer half.

10/27/2006 8:15:31 PM

I'd have slapped that bitch in the face with my cock

10/27/2006 8:37:30 PM

You don't touch other people's chips. That shit ain't right.

10/27/2006 8:42:49 PM

Quote :

"To anyone who has not played $3/6 before, lemme tell you, you can lose a significant amount of money in a short amount of time."

Seriously. I remember the first time I did this when the nl waitlist was long as fuck. That shit adds up fast.

10/27/2006 11:43:44 PM

I remember when pilgrimshoes lost about 4 stacks at 3/6 and went on life tilt for a good 18 hours afterwards.. ahhhhhhhh, vegas baby

10/28/2006 5:02:52 AM

"Life tilt"

ahhaha

10/29/2006 12:44:43 AM

Can people please discuss this hand. I frequently watch the higher limit games to pick up on plays and betting strategies. I dont see how the guy can call that river bet. I would like to hear all opinions.

PokerStars Game #6815659194: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/10/29 - 12:37:17 (ET)
Table 'Thuban II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: TheCleaner11 ($5148 in chips)
Seat 2: Chang83 ($5000 in chips)
Seat 7: the hustlah4 ($5197 in chips)
Seat 8: meatcity ($11657.50 in chips)
Seat 9: tunedigs13 ($3966.50 in chips)
the hustlah4: posts small blind $25
meatcity: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
tunedigs13: folds
TheCleaner11: folds
Chang83: raises $150 to $200
the hustlah4: folds
meatcity: calls $150
*** FLOP *** [9c 7c Ks]
meatcity: bets $250
Chang83: raises $250 to $500
meatcity: calls $250
*** TURN *** [9c 7c Ks] [3c]
meatcity: checks
Chang83: bets $550
meatcity: calls $550
*** RIVER *** [9c 7c Ks 3c] [2d]
meatcity: checks
Chang83: bets $2050
meatcity: calls $2050
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Chang83: shows [Qc Ts] (high card King)
meatcity: shows [7s 8c] (a pair of Sevens)
meatcity collected $6623 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $6625 | Rake $2
Board [9c 7c Ks 3c 2d]
Seat 1: TheCleaner11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Chang83 (button) showed [Qc Ts] and lost with high card King
Seat 7: the hustlah4 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: meatcity (big blind) showed [7s 8c] and won ($6623) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: tunedigs13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

10/29/2006 12:41:28 PM

Well, how long had you been watching? I mean, this guy could have been tilting like mad, or be a total jackal. Or, they could be money laundering, lol

10/29/2006 1:05:57 PM

both of those guys play the game often. but even still, how do you make the call? ive seen others make calls like that during the 25/50 game. i guess thats why they are playing it.

10/29/2006 1:12:29 PM

Chang83

Also,

Quote :

"meatcity: bets $250 Chang83: raises $250 to $500"

means weakness often i seem to see

10/29/2006 4:10:39 PM

hah, saw fossilman online for the first time. his icon said he was from raleigh. cary, raleigh -- close enough.
he hit and ran, winning 8 out 10 hands. must be nice to have both money and luck.

PokerStars Game #6825490216: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/10/30 - 02:41:18 (ET)
Table 'Theotes' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: FossilMan ($5025 in chips)
Seat 3: jaymac111 ($4795 in chips)
Seat 6: snake8484 ($8597 in chips)
Seat 7: WINTERS25 ($5928 in chips)
FossilMan: posts small blind $25
jaymac111: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
snake8484: folds
WINTERS25: raises $105 to $155
FossilMan: calls $130
jaymac111: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 2s 8s]
FossilMan: checks
WINTERS25: bets $165
FossilMan: calls $165
*** TURN *** [Tc 2s 8s] [5s]
FossilMan: checks
WINTERS25: bets $300
FossilMan: calls $300
*** RIVER *** [Tc 2s 8s 5s] [4c]
FossilMan: bets $1150
WINTERS25: calls $1150
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FossilMan: shows [3h As] (a straight, Ace to Five)
WINTERS25: mucks hand
FossilMan collected $3588 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3590 | Rake $2
Board [Tc 2s 8s 5s 4c]
Seat 2: FossilMan (small blind) showed [3h As] and won ($3588) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 3: jaymac111 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: snake8484 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: WINTERS25 (button) mucked

PokerStars Game #6825495920: Hold'em No Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/10/30 - 02:42:27 (ET)
Table 'Theotes' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: FossilMan ($6843 in chips)
Seat 3: jaymac111 ($4720 in chips)
Seat 6: snake8484 ($8622 in chips)
Seat 7: WINTERS25 ($4158 in chips)
snake8484: posts small blind $25
WINTERS25: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
FossilMan: raises $85 to $135
jaymac111: calls $135
snake8484: calls $110
WINTERS25: folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Kh 5h]
snake8484: checks
FossilMan: bets $250
jaymac111: calls $250
snake8484: folds
*** TURN *** [8s Kh 5h] [5c]
FossilMan: checks
jaymac111: bets $500
FossilMan: calls $500
*** RIVER *** [8s Kh 5h 5c] [Ts]
FossilMan: checks
jaymac111: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FossilMan: shows [Qc Qs] (two pair, Queens and Fives)
jaymac111: mucks hand
FossilMan collected $1953 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1955 | Rake $2
Board [8s Kh 5h 5c Ts]
Seat 2: FossilMan showed [Qc Qs] and won ($1953) with two pair, Queens and Fives
Seat 3: jaymac111 (button) mucked
Seat 6: snake8484 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: WINTERS25 (big blind) folded before Flop

i used to railbird a lot when i first started out. twin caracas was always cleaning the 10/20 tables (highest stakes at the time.) he'll play any suited hand. pair with flush draw on flop, he'll check raise all in. hallinggol is a grinder though. best nlhe ring/hu player on ps.

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 3:18 AM. Reason : asdf;lkj]

10/30/2006 3:16:17 AM

I busted a guys aces with suited connectors this weekend. he took off his wedding ring and held it up to my face. i later found out that he was attempting to make some lame insult insinuating that i resembled frodo from the lord of the rings.

later that night i was playing at another table, and another guy said i looked like frodo, then the whole table agreed.

then at a craps table later while i was shooting a guy at the other end aske for some hobbit luck.


no one has ever said this to me before, and im quite disturbed. Esp. seeng as to how it came up 3 times in 12 hours.

time for a new hair style i guess.

10/30/2006 1:09:27 PM

or maybe put shave your feet and put some shoes on?

10/30/2006 1:15:04 PM

maybe thats the key.


just an idea, throwing it out there.

Would anyone be interested in a poker book read through and group discussion?

set up a schedule of readings and then use this thread for a forum for ideas and concepts?

I need to reread SSHE soon and was thinking about this. Even though it's a limit book, I think there are plenty of keys that would help everyone here.

10/30/2006 1:30:34 PM

Quote :

"What I do know is that there is a fine line between stupidity and solid play on limit tables, and I am about as far away from that line as one can get. Limit tables seemed to inevitably filled with idiots who just want to play every single flop"

but limit has so much more action and is so much more entertaining that no limit.

no limit is soooo bleeeeeding boring

10/30/2006 1:35:39 PM

is pkr still going on monday nights?

10/30/2006 2:59:41 PM

yup

if you go i may go

btw on saturday night i played poker drunk for the first time ever, I now further agree with the rule i made to never play and drink

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 3:38 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2006 3:37:28 PM

karim, ill prolly end up going tonight. did you play at pkr drunk or online?

10/30/2006 3:43:51 PM

i went and played at tommy's at like 3am after drinking from like 9pm till at various halloween parties

10/30/2006 3:45:16 PM

ohhh what did you do after the tourney friday? please elaborate on what you did on saturday....

10/30/2006 3:47:01 PM

on friday i went to this girls place. no further details

saturday i went to a party a guy at work was having, left for another where i enjoyed the scenery if you get what i am saying and played drinking games with a michael myers mask on until like 3am. When i then decided i should go play cards. I dont really remember much after that

10/30/2006 3:49:25 PM

hahaha...i remember watching you late one night on full tilt. you didnt know i was there until you went all in for the 3rd time in a row with 63h. hahah

10/30/2006 3:52:24 PM

haha drunk playing online is a different story

10/30/2006 3:54:58 PM

what time you going out there tonight?

10/30/2006 3:55:38 PM

mayhaps around 8

10/30/2006 3:59:51 PM

awesome. i cant wait to see you. wear TWW sweatshirt. ill be wearing a pokerstars parka, oakley shades, and will have an unlit cigarette in my mouth.

10/30/2006 4:00:56 PM

I'll prly wear my work clothes

10/30/2006 4:06:12 PM

ok...i also have a fake beard i plan on wearing. for the barry greenstein effect.

10/30/2006 4:08:16 PM

yo karim, what you call me bout nukka

(my phone was on the fritz this weekend)

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 4:15 PM. Reason : e]

10/30/2006 4:14:56 PM

o yea


dude at weiyans i met your old roommate thomas it was weird

i was like you're the guy that humped the bum in AC

10/30/2006 4:42:57 PM

you do look kinda like Frodo

10/30/2006 4:52:12 PM

^^ ahhh the toemoss

10/30/2006 7:40:51 PM

i met the 2 dudes on the rt there too



[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 7:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/30/2006 7:47:10 PM

dont know the guy in the middle,

but thats

nothing22 (dormmate and old roomate) some dude then JohnnyTHM

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 7:50 PM. Reason : e]

10/30/2006 7:50:07 PM

dude on the lt was also there

10/30/2006 8:03:33 PM

stuck flex

10/30/2006 8:04:27 PM

i didnt want to tell everyone who i was because im such an ass in the poker thread aha

10/30/2006 8:17:40 PM

ahah

were they playing cash games?


o btw, you comming up this weekend, i gotta decide to make flight plans to miami or not

[Edited on October 30, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ngz]

10/30/2006 8:22:46 PM

Anyone trying to win their way to the PCA? I just won a seat to a 175 dollar DS. Im debating if Im gonna sell that seat or take a shot at the PCA

10/30/2006 11:09:54 PM

how much do you want for it...

10/30/2006 11:22:31 PM

Probably gonna play it, but Im willing to entertain offers

10/30/2006 11:41:52 PM

id just buy in, no point satelliting into a satellite

though if you want me to win you a seat, you can pay me to play it for you

[Edited on October 31, 2006 at 12:01 AM. Reason : ,]

10/31/2006 12:01:06 AM

<----- some dude

10/31/2006 7:28:39 AM

oh crap.. i'm famous now

10/31/2006 8:41:33 AM

Yeah we're just making it worse right now. We are not supposed to talk about these things.

10/31/2006 10:13:26 AM

ok, back to lurking

10/31/2006 10:26:17 AM

Gambling is a sin… and I’ll have no part of it.

10/31/2006 11:19:07 AM