so question about home games

I've been trying pretty hard to find a game around either greensboro or burlington, or even a bar that holds tournaments and will give out bar dollars or something

Anyone know of anything around those two areas?

10/31/2006 11:20:27 AM

i just got stalked from this thread.

ahah

10/31/2006 11:26:32 AM

that was me, thomas and i work at the RTP site

lotus notes directory ftw

10/31/2006 11:45:03 AM

yeah figured it was you.

i hate lotus with a passion.

its such a resource whore.


rockin' out up in wilmington de

10/31/2006 11:51:47 AM

ya hi

10/31/2006 12:01:54 PM

oh hell, theyre all here now

10/31/2006 12:06:38 PM

aha

10/31/2006 12:13:02 PM

yep

10/31/2006 12:14:53 PM

would anyone be interested in a tournament this friday in raleigh?

10/31/2006 1:00:52 PM

I can do Sunday, not Friday.

10/31/2006 1:22:50 PM

would rather do friday considering that i would have to work monday morning.

[Edited on October 31, 2006 at 1:33 PM. Reason : ]

10/31/2006 1:25:36 PM

Dupont's losing a lot of productivity right now

10/31/2006 1:27:30 PM

pfft.

10/31/2006 1:31:51 PM

have it sunday at like 6pm. $50 freezeout.

10/31/2006 3:56:01 PM

yeah, then you could still be in bed early

10/31/2006 4:09:46 PM

david, are we actually agreeing on something?

10/31/2006 4:14:09 PM

doh, you should have it wednesday at like 6am. $500 rebuy

10/31/2006 4:25:24 PM

thats more like it.

10/31/2006 4:30:38 PM

Quote :

"Gambling is a sin… and I’ll have no part of it."

so is premarital sex.....



[Edited on October 31, 2006 at 5:30 PM. Reason : ...]

10/31/2006 5:30:06 PM

Quote :

"Happy Halloween, I see you've come dressed as a fish"

I had to say that to this assbag that just cracked my Queens. It really wouldn't have been so bad if I had just not doubled up a guy with my K-K preflop all in versus his 4-4.

Two hands later I lose the rest of the stack with my Q-Q. I raise it 6X BB and get 4 freaking callers. This table had been fairly tight, so I was dilligently aware of an overpair possibility. Well the flop comes down J-4-2 and I'm feeling okay about that. I raise the pot to see where I am and the 3rd of 4 preflop callers is the only one to play. He raises it and I take him all in, feeling pretty sure that I'm looking at A-J. Of course its the 2-2. I don't know about you, but in middle position versus 3 other opponents (and one behind me to act) I don't call 6X BB with 2-2.

10/31/2006 8:40:24 PM

Of course you make that call, just as you would to a pot bet with a flush draw on the turn.

10/31/2006 8:48:03 PM

damn right you make that call. set odds dude. i dont blame him one bit.

10/31/2006 8:50:43 PM

Set odds?

Odds against the set are about 7.5 to 1

With 3 players ahead of him he's getting 3 to 1. Even if he assumed the last to act would call him, we're looking at 4 to 1.

Are you going to talk about implied odds too?

10/31/2006 8:54:31 PM

any kind of odds. i like odds. sometimes evens.

10/31/2006 9:05:54 PM

Normally I would not call a 6X bet with 2-2. However, if you both have large stacks and the guy had 3 callers before him I don't think it is such a bad play. Personally I would have been worried about JJ.

10/31/2006 9:06:25 PM

I wasn't worried about J-J here because I think he would have tried to let me catch up. (but it is a valid point)

I don't think the play is the worst in the world, but based on plain odds calculation, I just don't justify that. I mean, even if you hit your set, with 3 tight players in the pot before you, you've gotta be worried about hitting your set and drawing nearly dead anyhow.

10/31/2006 10:15:52 PM

How often do you hit a set on the flop and not have the best hand?

10/31/2006 10:42:40 PM

Against 3 tight opponents who've called/made a 6XBB raise?

A nontrivial amount of times.

If you wind up oversetted, you're down to one out. You could be up against a drawing nut flush, and be stuck needing the board to pair or quad up.

10/31/2006 10:45:04 PM

Quote :

"You could be up against a drawing nut flush, and be stuck needing the board to pair or quad up."

Why do you need the board to quad up if you are against a draw?

10/31/2006 10:48:22 PM

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 12:25 AM. Reason : e]

11/1/2006 12:22:33 AM

bgmims, you're thinking about pot odds in terms of a limit game instead of a no limit game.

preflop calls are more determined by implied odds instead of actual laid odds.

my general rule with a small pair is if i feel i can extract 10x the raise out of the hand as a whole if i set up, then ill call.

with three callers in front of me, then im almost guaranteed this, esp. if the table has been c-betting near pot size on the flop.

now david was right again, and again, without saying why.

Quote :

"if you both have large stacks "

this is the key here. this play is only valid if you both are deep in relation to the blinds and the raise. and if thats the case, then the point comes up of, should yo u have gotten off QQ?

these are all questions that can't be answered without stack sizes, blind price, and position details.





[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 7:18 AM. Reason : ew]

11/1/2006 7:12:53 AM

Quote :

"and be stuck needing the board to pair or quad up"

Sorry, I thought this part of it implied that they might hit it.

I'm just saying I don't pay into pots with shit odds in hopes that I won't be dominated if I make my hand. Against 3 (and 1 more to act) opponents that have played tight all night--two of us were veritable rocks--you can run into an overset fairly often.

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Admittedly, most of my odds figuring comes from limit. Where do you get your 10X the bet? Also, I'm not sure even one of us had 60X BB in the stack, so he'd need more than 1 caller.



[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 7:16 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2006 7:14:39 AM

Quote :

"I'm just saying I don't pay into pots with shit odds in hopes that I won't be dominated if I make my hand. Against 3 (and 1 more to act) opponents that have played tight all night--two of us were veritable rocks--you can run into an overset fairly often. __ Admittedly, most of my odds figuring comes from limit. Where do you get your 10X the bet? Also, I'm not sure even one of us had 60X BB in the stack, so he'd need more than 1 caller."

set over set is still very rare, and its one of those go broke situations where if you dont get your money in on an uncoordinated board with a set, then you're losing value most of the time.

(to me at least)

the 10x number is an arbitrary number derived from your odds to flop a set, and then adding some for the chance of being underset/undefull, or being drawn out on, then some more for value.

11/1/2006 7:20:51 AM

Let me hear more of this small pair strategy. Does it change depending on your position? What do you do if you're opening the pot? I have heard it debated so many times in so many ways on whether you want a lot of callers looking to pick up a set or you want few callers, where you're more likely to have the winning hand.

Also, you gotta think that someone is willing to go broke (or give up a pretty significant stack) to call a 6X BB preflop raise? Is that what I'm hearing from you? I'd tend to agree to that, I guess.

11/1/2006 7:23:15 AM

ill post more this morning, from work, i gotta bust ass now as to not be too late, and im hungover as balls..

11/1/2006 7:35:06 AM

lol, k thanks. Looking forward to it.

11/1/2006 7:37:06 AM

I usually limp in early position and will fold to a large enough raise with few enough people in the hand.

I probably wouldn't call 10X b/c you have to account for all those times you hit your set and the raiser has crap or doesn't hit. If these players are really tight as you say they aren't going to bluff that flop with AK and you're not going to make very much on top of the preflop $$$.

11/1/2006 7:40:22 AM

^You're right. I guess that's the main reason I let go of my 2-2 to that raise. With those players, the only action you're going to get is an overpair (like I had) or an overset (unlikely, but ends your day) A-J will give you some action here too, but against all these opponents I'm not even sure anyone but the first caller could have something as bad as A-J.

11/1/2006 8:15:20 AM

sounds like a pretty bad game

11/1/2006 8:39:20 AM

It was, I was about to get up when the blinds got back to me, which was then next hand.

Funny how often that seems to happen.

11/1/2006 9:17:07 AM

It's rigged you know?

11/1/2006 9:40:31 AM

yeah that seems to happen to me a bit too.

i decide to leave when the blinds come around, pick up AA utg and go bust.



Ok heres a dream situation that ive never had happen to me before, then got berated for afterwards.

The rolling stones were in AC last friday, sponsored by borgata. so the place was slammed, and filled with high rollers when the stones cancelled on the show a mere hours prior to showtime.

20/40, a guy looked mid twenties, had flown in from brazil for the show. guy was loaded. had several $1k chips, a few $500 chips, etc, and when he left, he sold off some chips, but put a $1k chip in his pocket saying he was keeping that one as a souvenier instead of cashing it out.

Guy was pretty clueless as to the nature of casino limit holdem, and a bit on the game itself. Showed a few signs of knowing what was going on, three betting with a set, poppin it up with a marginal flush to protect, things of that nataure, but then would also call down with an underpair to the board or gutterball draws.

i get into a hand with him where i had raise AhKh UTG he was the only caller.

Flop comes Js Qs 3d

I bet, he raises, i call.

Turn: Th

bongggg


i bet, he raises, i reraise, he reraises, i 5-bet, he looks at the dealer " can i raise him?" The dealer is like, "of course, match the stacks"

heres where its starting to get messy.

6 bets in 20/40 is already 48 chips. there are stacks lined up, im making my like third row of army men of $20 stacks about to send em in like a fleet of infantry.

i raise, 7th bet

the table is going nuts

one guy "just come on, you're chopping, you know this"

the guy next to the brazilian is busting out laughing, the brazilian is showing his hand unintentionally. I take it as were not chopping.

by this time, the floor had come over and was standing behind the dealer.

oddly enough, it was a floor that ive kinda always thought was a bit shady, catering more to the regulars.

the kid as hes putting in a call says "can i raise him?"

puts his chips down, the dealer looks at me, the guy in the 10 seat says "whoa, thats a string raise"

im in the 1, i look over, "let him raise dammit"

"oooo, nevermind"

the floor: "let him raise, he wants to raise, let him raise"

now, this is where i messed up.

weve got like 9 bets deep on the turn, there are qutie a few cards i dont want to see. am i getting freerolled? has he got just a set?

I decided just to call and see a safe river...

[dont pair the board]

8d.

i bet, he just calls. (foooooooooock)

JcTc



Now, after the guy left, i got berated for not going allt he way to the felt with that hand, for stopping raising when it was obvious the brazilian would have gone all the way. I had no reason to believe he woudlnt continue going apeshit on the river however, and felt that more than 1 bet would go on the end........

when do you stop, or do you go in for the full $1600 on the turn that i had left before the action on that street?



(him stopping on the end really irritated me)

11/1/2006 9:46:31 AM

I've made that mistake a lot in the past. I'll have the A high straight and after a bunch of raising I'll just call on the turn and then the other guy ends of having a K high straight.

11/1/2006 9:53:35 AM

^^ That's a bittersweet win.

if anyone is interested in a game this friday PM me or GKMatt


[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 11:01 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/1/2006 11:00:16 AM

I'm playing with three of my friends. One of my friends throws away a Q-3 offsuit. I have pocket kings, and play as usual.

FLOP:

Q-Q-5

TURN:

Q

RIVER:

3-Clubs

My boy is pi$$ed b/c he threw away quad Q's before the flop. I eliminate a different player with my full house after he had another 5 with my Q-Q-Q-K-K. I smile knowing that I could have been beaten if my friend had called.

11/1/2006 11:45:07 AM

THATS SO RARE! QUADS! OMG! WOOHOO

11/1/2006 11:55:58 AM

lol

11/1/2006 12:21:33 PM

while we are on this topic of rarity...

does anyone else find it amazing that I've played serious poker for almost 2 years now and I have never even SEEN a royal flush. I've obviously never had one, Ive never been sitting at a table where there was one. I've never seen one online. I've been in the same poker room as one b/c I heard "I've got a royal flush baby!!!"

I have had a King high straight flush though

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 12:35 PM. Reason : f]

11/1/2006 12:35:13 PM

Yeah, that's weird. I guess it depends on how much you play. If you rarely play it doesn't seem that far fetched. If you play a ton and multi table online then there could have easily been a royal at one of your tables and you just missed it.

11/1/2006 12:53:30 PM

I definately don't play as much as Ben, but I do play a lot.. all day saturdays, some sundays, some during the week.. So I've played my fair share. Someone told me the odds are 1 in 70,000 in getting a royal. This sound about right?

11/1/2006 12:55:34 PM