135

11/6/2006 10:48:07 PM

bought in for 200 left with 450

i pretty much had to grind it out and make plays

for that much and 4 hrs, id have rather just stayed home and gotten good rest for tomorrow

11/7/2006 1:49:32 AM

Yeah, last time I played 3 hrs and the game broke up. Made about $60. What a waste.

11/7/2006 7:20:53 AM

agreeing with ben and david on how bad that game is.

11/7/2006 8:04:31 AM

I still want to check out Poker Mike's game but work has been killing me lately.

11/7/2006 8:16:50 AM

if you want action...go to that game...

be sure to let me know when you go...its like 2 seconds from my house

11/7/2006 9:41:04 AM

Will do. There's a hockey game on tonight, but maybe next Tuesday...

11/7/2006 10:53:43 AM

yea man. he will run tournies either next week or the week after. he does them once a month.

11/7/2006 11:23:02 AM

that place is garbage

11/7/2006 2:42:55 PM

can you beat that game, yes or no?

11/7/2006 2:55:03 PM

Well damn. Without Karim's seal of approval I'm not sure I want to waste my time Hish.

11/7/2006 2:55:41 PM

The cash games are impossible to beat. Too many loose players calling 5x-7x preflop with any two cards. The tournies on the other hand are money. He runs them twice a month. I cashed in back to back nights 2 months ago.

And you CAN'T outplay anyone in his cash games. They WILL call you.

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 2:58 PM. Reason : 4 pHilL LoLLLinzzzz]

11/7/2006 2:57:17 PM

i dont understand.

Quote :

"The cash games are impossible to beat. Too many loose players calling 5x-7x preflop with any two cards"

isnt that what you should want?

11/7/2006 3:04:04 PM

Yes and No. I was playing a .25/.50 game there one night. 10 person table. 8 people in the hand pre flop. I am in the BB and look down at AA. I raise it to either $4 or $4.50, one of the two. Every person calls. Flop comes J high with two spades. The hand resulted in a 3 way all in.

This is not what you want. Its almost impossible to WAIT for the nuts in games like these, because someone will have a one up on you.

I despise games that are that loose, and also games which are rock tight. I have yet to find a decent cash game in Raleigh. The only cash games I have enjoyed playing have been on Stars, or at the Trop.

11/7/2006 3:08:36 PM

I like playing with people like that, you just have to get in the mindset. If you're playing with a table full of donks, you just have to lay back and rock up.

11/7/2006 3:09:02 PM

I agree with that philosphy. But when a 10 person table sees 6-8 people per flop, it is almost impossible to ROCK UP, because someone will always have outs. Does anyone see what I'm getting at?

I understand a game full of loose players, when 3-4 people are going for a flop, but double that, then try to calculate your cards against theirs.

11/7/2006 3:12:31 PM

I like playing with people like that, but I hate it when there is a preflop raise 10X the bb every other hand.

11/7/2006 3:13:14 PM

I hate that too. But even at games like this, people call 10x with anything. I mean honestly, $5 to see a flop is nothing, even if you are relating it to a 1/2, .5/1.00, or .25/.50

11/7/2006 3:14:41 PM

yeah a game like that turns to a crap shoot when youve got multiple callers of a 10x bb raise,

100bb stacks are wayyyy too shallow.

and then with short buys its even worse

11/7/2006 3:17:47 PM

finally...someone gets it.

11/7/2006 3:18:11 PM

not to mention when the dealer rakes the pot inconsistent amounts

11/7/2006 3:19:15 PM

No, I see what you're saying. When its that loose, its hard for you to actually dominate a hand, because so many people will play it.

I guess if that many people are willing to hit the flop AND continue with it, you'd have a hard time playing.

11/7/2006 3:20:38 PM

Quote :

"not to mention when the dealer rakes the pot inconsistent amounts"

That's is pretty much the main reason I have yet to go.

I e-mailed the guy a half dozen times about this. All I wanted him to say is we rake X% up to $Y. Here's the best response I could get from him.

"On tuesdays we try to cover expenses (prizes, drinks, and food), so generally $5 per hand with the 10% rule as a guidline. Obviously we won't take 5 out of a 15 pot. If the pot gets HUGE (like 300+), we'll take up to 8...but that happens once, maybe twice a night."

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 3:26 PM. Reason : quote]

11/7/2006 3:24:33 PM

Quote :

""On tuesdays we try to cover expenses (prizes, drinks, and food), so generally $5 per hand with the 10% rule as a guidline. Obviously we won't take 5 out of a 15 pot. If the pot gets HUGE (like 300+), we'll take up to 8...but that happens once, maybe twice a night.""

good god

11/7/2006 3:27:34 PM

I wasn't going to comment on this b/c they're nice guys and probably won't appreciate this being out in the open, but karim already let the cat outta the bag so I may as well add on.

I've played there for the last 2 months or so, it's a fun game but the rake is crippling. I paid close attention to it the last time I was there and they were taking 10-25+%, it was very inconsistant and varied between dealers. If there was $10 in there on the flop they'd only grab $1, but once it got up to $25-$30 on the turn they'd often grab another $4. They also appear to cap it at a whopping $8, I saw multiple $80+ pots getting raked that amount at .25/.50. When I asked about it privately, I was informed that there were no set guidlines for their rake but they try to keep it around 10% with an $8 cap.

At the .25/.50 level the average buy-in is only like $50 and they're taking such a huge percentage of the total money off the table that you'd have to be Phil Ivey to stay ahead of that rake. Think about a typical 6-7 hour night there, there's maybe 25 people buying in for an average of $75 each(adjusting for rebuys). By the end of the night they've probably raked close to 1/3 of the total buy-ins off the table leaving enough for very few winners. Out It's a little better at .5/1(same exact rake structure btw), but there's still not a casino in the country that has the balls to rake like they do.

11/7/2006 4:00:00 PM

wow....I have had problems with the rakes at other games., but that is crazy

11/7/2006 4:17:14 PM

I mean everyone is nice when they have their hand in your pocket. I noticed it the 1 time i went. Never have been back since.

11/7/2006 5:21:58 PM

Daniel Negranu just told Mike Matusow he got "PWNED" when sexton called matusows 60,000 pot sized bet with bottom pair to win. That was kinda funny.

11/7/2006 11:03:46 PM

DEALING POCKETS
SwampRomp folds
A_Z_F has added $100.00 more chips
hungg8833 calls $1.00
A_Z_F sits back
Kraumm folds
zenpoint calls $1.00
MICHAEL2773 folds
sir_marks_alot calls $1.00 (Ks, Td)
JoeRo15 calls $0.50
myohoguy checks

DEALING FLOP (Qs,9s,Js)
JoeRo15 bets $4.00
myohoguy folds
hungg8833 folds
zenpoint calls $4.00
sir_marks_alot raises $8.00 to $12.00
JoeRo15 calls $8.00
zenpoint calls $8.00

DEALING TURN (7s)
JoeRo15 checks
zenpoint bets $21.25
sir_marks_alot calls $21.25
JoeRo15 goes all in $77.00
zenpoint, it's your turn. You have 10 seconds to act
zenpoint, it's your turn. You have 5 seconds to act
zenpoint goes all in $33.00
sir_marks_alot folds
$22.75 is not called, return back to JoeRo15
zenpoint shows a Flush (T high)
JoeRo15 shows a Flush (A high)

basically, I flopped a straight, bet heavy, then caught a King high flush, and folded it to an Ace high flush, and saved myself $65.

And then I lost all of it on a horrific beat on the next hand.

11/7/2006 11:39:59 PM

Where is your heavy bet? Looks to me like you raise $8 into a pot that was $17. One guy is risking $8 to win $25 and another guy is risking $8 to win $32. Of course they are going to call if they have a draw.

11/8/2006 12:16:48 AM

I think he played it okay. Shit happens.

11/8/2006 12:20:20 AM

I don't mind the play, but he said he made a heavy bet. I assume he did this because he put one of them on a draw that could tie or beat him. If you think you have the best hand or the nut draw you aren't going to make a "heavy bet". I assume he was trying this tactic in order to scare out a draw, which was the main subject of my reply.

11/8/2006 12:24:39 AM

this one time in poker camp... i told an [old] joke and while airyone was flaming me... i took there money

11/8/2006 12:37:29 AM

how often do yall come away from a cash table down?

I had the absolute worst run of cards I've seen last night and went down about $30 in a 1/2 game in about 30 minutes.

11/8/2006 7:05:59 AM

If that's the most you've ever lost in a 1-2 game you're doing quite well.

11/8/2006 7:36:52 AM

haha, I actually had a run like that last night as well

what's the size of your bankroll? It's probably too small to play at that level

I'm just trying to clear a bunch of PSO rewards, so i'm only playing at the .25/.50 levels usually, I hate limit but don't want to risk any real money just to get free pokertracker (guess it's not free if I lose all my money though, lol)

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 8:43 AM. Reason : .]

11/8/2006 8:36:12 AM

I lose about $30 a session in tips.

11/8/2006 8:37:51 AM

thtas light =(

i kept track last week, i tipped over $165 over the course of a 34 hour session.

11/8/2006 8:49:48 AM

Quote :

"how often do yall come away from a cash table down? I had the absolute worst run of cards I've seen last night and went down about $30 in a 1/2 game in about 30 minutes."

assuming you are talking about limit, losing 15 bb is within normal swings of play.

for donkey lags like me, i can swing +/-30 bbs in no time.

11/8/2006 8:52:09 AM

Yeah, that's not a big loss at all, really.

And if you're talking about no-limit, you're going to run into an overset sometime and walk away with nothing. It happens.

11/8/2006 8:56:06 AM

i hope he wasnt talking about nl, with losing $30 in a 1/2 game, thats peanuts.

got my megashipment from pokerstars in yesterday,

i think ive got a mug for everyday for two weeks

but im more excited about the new books, just in time for a business trip next week.

the hi/lo split poker book by ray zee was a book ive been meaning to hit for a long time, looks good at first glance.

also, after so many rave reviews, i got ace on the river.


a few other books, and the damn parka that was probably a bad idea. ahah

(i should have checked ebay first, they dont go for much)

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 10:38 AM. Reason : e]

11/8/2006 10:37:13 AM

I'm currently trying to clear all of the bonuses on pokersourceonline. Getting some free pokertracker, free nevada jack chips, and hopefully a few books.

11/8/2006 11:05:34 AM

You know you can just get straight cash from pso?

11/8/2006 11:18:40 AM

No I did not know that. Are you talking about the "don't want to spend your own money" deal?

11/8/2006 2:57:56 PM

They will xfer money to one of your poker accounts.

http://pokersourceonline.com/member/store/default.asp?cat=GCs

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 3:06 PM. Reason : link]

11/8/2006 3:02:55 PM

transfers to party, you could have the money on your neteller atm card within hours.

11/8/2006 3:06:59 PM

One of my bonus sites goes directly to neteller, but that costs 2% to xfer and with atm fees on top of that, it really starts to add up.

11/8/2006 3:13:03 PM

if you max out the atm w/d per time there, the fee is marginal...

or wait a few days and get a free bank transfer. (eft or whatever)


who the hell charges you a % to withdraw to nt? currency change? or



(shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)



gnoming transfers?

11/8/2006 4:10:32 PM

Well usually I withdraw 1K, but the last time I used the fucking mall atm and it only let me take out $200.

11/8/2006 5:37:37 PM

OMG I just realized that I've become that guy who inexplicably has the str8 whenever there's 4 connecting cards on board

I used to hate that guy when he busted my big pairs.



FullTiltPoker Game #1218203307: Table Bridger (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:42:04 ET - 2006/11/09
Seat 1: Crzzy2000 ($359.10)
Seat 2: WildcardHendrix ($329.60)
Seat 3: theMightyZep ($237.45)
Seat 4: BASummers ($104.80)
Seat 5: Uturntoo ($220.10)
Seat 6: noidroid ($209)
WildcardHendrix posts the small blind of $1
theMightyZep posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [4h 7h]
BASummers calls $2
Uturntoo folds
noidroid raises to $9
Crzzy2000 folds
WildcardHendrix folds
theMightyZep calls $7
BASummers calls $7
*** FLOP *** [3c 6h 8s]
theMightyZep checks
BASummers checks
noidroid bets $21
theMightyZep calls $21
BASummers folds
*** TURN *** [3c 6h 8s] [4s]
theMightyZep checks
noidroid checks
*** RIVER *** [3c 6h 8s 4s] [5s]
theMightyZep bets $45
noidroid calls $45
*** SHOW DOWN ***
theMightyZep shows [5c 4c] (two pair, Fives and Fours)
noidroid shows [4h 7h] (a straight, Eight high)
noidroid wins the pot ($157) with a straight, Eight high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $160 | Rake $3
Board: [3c 6h 8s 4s 5s]
Seat 1: Crzzy2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: WildcardHendrix (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: theMightyZep (big blind) showed [5c 4c] and lost with two pair, Fives and Fours
Seat 4: BASummers folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Uturntoo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: noidroid showed [4h 7h] and won ($157) with a straight, Eight high


I only raised preflop to isolate the limper that I had been beating up on with c-bets for quite a while, big blind foiled my plans but I bet the rag flop anyways. I should have raised the river. I didn't because I was up against a fellow LAG who could have either backed into a flush, legitamitely hit with 79, or we were splitting. Also because I felt that if he didn't have me beat or tied, then he had absolutely nothing and was just betting because I checked the turn(definately a possibility for this guy). As it stood, he backed into two pair and he might have called a value raise. Anyways.

A few hands later at the same table:

FullTiltPoker Game #1218213714: Table Bridger (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 2:45:16 ET - 2006/11/09
Seat 1: Crzzy2000 ($359.10)
Seat 2: WildcardHendrix ($328.60)
Seat 3: theMightyZep ($200)
Seat 4: BASummers ($95.60)
Seat 5: Uturntoo ($221.80)
Seat 6: noidroid ($291)
Uturntoo posts the small blind of $1
noidroid posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to noidroid [8c 7c]
Crzzy2000 folds
WildcardHendrix folds
theMightyZep raises to $7
BASummers calls $7
Uturntoo calls $6
noidroid calls $5
*** FLOP *** [6h 5d 2s]
Uturntoo checks
noidroid checks
theMightyZep bets $20
BASummers folds
Uturntoo raises to $40
noidroid calls $40
theMightyZep calls $20
*** TURN *** [6h 5d 2s] [4d]
Uturntoo checks
noidroid bets $50
theMightyZep folds
theMightyZep adds $47
Uturntoo has 15 seconds left to act
Uturntoo folds
Uncalled bet of $50 returned to noidroid
noidroid mucks
noidroid wins the pot ($145)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $148 | Rake $3
Board: [6h 5d 2s 4d]
Seat 1: Crzzy2000 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: WildcardHendrix didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: theMightyZep folded on the Turn
Seat 4: BASummers (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Uturntoo (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: noidroid (big blind) collected ($145), mucked


I didn't get paid when I hit the nuts because they put me on a 3. Stupid deuce. I prolly should have checked.

Pretty bad call by me on the flop btw, I was on mega monkey tilt. I definately needed some implied odds to justify it, but as it turned out my image was so terrible that they correctly deduced that I was all over that board when I bet the turn.

I really should have made more money with my terrible play in these two hands, I feel cheated.

11/9/2006 3:27:10 AM