I hadn't realized how irrelevant we had become. The media constantly harping on how horrible our fans are or how the coaching position isn't that great doesn't help.

I live in KY and guys I work with are all HUGE Louisville fans. I was talking about getting turned down by Smart for half pay to stay at VCU and he says "well, no offense, but he is probably waiting for a better job than State. I couldn't really picture a great coach or flavor of the month picking it as their destination."

4/5/2011 11:22:02 AM

Smart and Marshall are fools. You win at VCU or Wichita State, you're a local celebrity who gets a free county club membership and comped meals at Applebee's. You win at NC State, you're a fucking rock star. These guys just don't thin the juice is worth the squeeze.

4/5/2011 11:24:06 AM

outside conferences don't pay attention to other conference's programs unless they make the elite 8...

seriously i had no idea uconn was good at all this year till the tourney...

4/5/2011 11:24:50 AM

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"You don't think they're worth the money that we supposedly offered them but yet you're still criticizing Yow for not getting them. basically, you've been trolling this thread for a while. You got me."

Whoa, no. Not what I said at all.

Here's the reason why we're swinging and missing on coaches:

Great
Good <-- fans think we're here
Mediocre
Awful <-- we're here

We can't get good before we're mediocre. And we're definitely not mediocre. Your definition may vary, but most people say Herb was mediocre. And he was getting 9 or 10 wins regularly during the last five years of his tenure.

Do I think someone like Marshall could get us to mediocre? Definitely. Do I think $2M is high? Yes. But is it the reality we're facing? Possibly. Keep in mind that coaches salaries are going way up. There's no way we could've gotten anybody for less than $1M. So make that your baseline. Marshall was already making that. Then you're asking him to walk away from $1M per in a situation where he can do no wrong for our pressure cooker. Pretty soon you're getting up to that $2M figure.

I don't know exactly why he turned us down or what all happened. But I think $2M for a consistent level of 9-10+ wins every year is probably the best we can hope for. But paying significantly beyond that is just crazy unless it's someone REALLY good. Which we're not getting.

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ...]

4/5/2011 11:25:21 AM

^^ That's you in particular, not most cbb fans

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:25 AM. Reason : x]

4/5/2011 11:25:32 AM

(i'm actually exaggerating) but 90% of work place Louisville fans i guarantee do not watch all conferences and rankings all year

and even then... we did blow a fat one with sid so they wouldn't have seen us. lol

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

4/5/2011 11:27:21 AM

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"Smart and Marshall are fools. You win at VCU or Wichita State, you're a local celebrity who gets a free county club membership and comped meals at Applebee's."

And apparently, $1M+. Which is a shitload of money any way you slice it for making the NIT.

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"You win at NC State, you're a fucking rock star. These guys just don't thin the juice is worth the squeeze."

And if you don't win or don't win big enough?

4/5/2011 11:27:44 AM

i still say we should hire steve fisher. he is a very capable coach whose only real downside is his age. i think he can come here for 5 or so years and win some games, make a good run in the tournament, and then if he retires when we repeat this process we will have a much better shot at getting an upper tier coach

4/5/2011 11:28:03 AM

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"Do I think someone like Marshall could get us to mediocre? Definitely. Do I think $2M is high? Yes. But is it the reality we're facing? Possibly. Keep in mind that coaches salaries are going way up. There's no way we could've gotten anybody for less than $1M. So make that your baseline. Marshall was already making that. Then you're asking him to walk away from $1M per in a situation where he can do no wrong for our pressure cooker. Pretty soon you're getting up to that $2M figure."

You are so dumb. You are so dumb for real.

4/5/2011 11:28:50 AM

If you don't win here, then fuck it, theres 350 other D1 jobs.

4/5/2011 11:29:46 AM

^^ C'mon man, elaborate.

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM. Reason : ...]

4/5/2011 11:29:53 AM

i thought we were supposed to have a new coach by page 100

4/5/2011 11:33:22 AM

You're talking out of your ass man

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"We can't get good before we're mediocre. And we're definitely not mediocre. Your definition may vary, but most people say Herb was mediocre."

Fuck Herb, why is he in any way relevant to a 2011 coaching search discussion?

Our players are mediocre? Our facilities? Our fan base? Our conference? What are you even talking about? College basketball doesn't take a 10 year process to be good. It takes a good coach and a few recruiting classes, if that. It's not like our players right now are all that terrible either. We have a number of young players with a lot of potential.

If you think it takes 2 million dollars to go from where we are now to mediocre in your arbitrary scale of great/good/mediocre/awful, then you're dumb

4/5/2011 11:34:19 AM

Dear Wolfpack Family,?

I am writing to share with you the status of the search for our new head coach for men's basketball. There have been telephone conversations with successful coaches that did not develop into meetings -- sometimes because we did not wish to pursue those coaches further and sometimes because the coach involved is happy where he is.

The conversations have been candid. We have not tried to sugarcoat the challenge of rebuilding our basketball program. Our absence for 5 consecutive years from the NCAA Tournament was noted by each coach as evidence that the program is in poor shape and will require a special effort to rebuild.

?Finding a coach with the fight and fire to do this job has been a challenge. That said, we will find an excellent college coach who shares the vision of what State Basketball can become and is up for the challenge.

I realize there are multiple rumors surfacing about the nature of the search on websites and in newspapers. Once our new coach is hired, I will be in a position to bring perspective to a number of those rumors. But, right now, we need to remain focused on finding a talented collegiate coach who is a fighter, full of confidence and appreciation for the opportunity to lead our basketball program back to national prominence.

?That will happen in spite of those who believe this cannot occur.

?Wolfpack Basketball is destined for a revival. We will accept no less. Please keep the faith while we continue the search. Your emails and text messages of support have meant everything to me. I am blessed to be your AD.

?In the Spirit of the Pack,?

Debbie


:( :( :( :(

4/5/2011 11:35:17 AM

Calm down, not trying to start a fight.

Maybe it's just different definitions of mediocre. Are you calling where we are right now mediocre? I call it awful. Do you call where Herb had us good or mediocre? I call it mediocre.

But right now, you have to admit. Herb-style mediocrity would be a major step up right now. No one is going to take this job seriously when you have fans thinking we can go from averaging 5 conference wins per year to top of the heap in no time.

And I've got news for you, the more the $2M figure gets kicked around in the media, the more coaches are going to expect something near it.

4/5/2011 11:37:00 AM

this thread is pretty unreadable.

4/5/2011 11:37:45 AM

I'm always reminded how irrelevant we really are when my family comes to visit from up North, and makes a comment like, "That really stinks you guys got knocked out of the tournament, you were close to the final 4!"

And I'm like... that's not the school I went to.

We really need to get this thing wrapped up, just get someone young and energetic that can keep our current recruits/players and go from there. At this point I'd rather take a shot at a complete unknown/random type coach that could turn out to be a home run than some mid tier guy who has been around with some success but never really gotten over the hump and will just perpetuate the mediocrity.

4/5/2011 11:38:09 AM

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"Are you calling where we are right now mediocre? I call it awful."

There's a difference between awful results and an awful program. That seems to be the miscommunication here.

4/5/2011 11:38:48 AM

9 more pages until we're halfway to the thread length of the Lowe credibility watch thread!

4/5/2011 11:39:01 AM

I was telling my gf last night about NC State's history. How we were the frontrunners of the great ACC when it started and we were one of the first schools with multiple championships...yadda yadda yadda. She asked me when we won those championships and I told her back in '74 and '83. And she was responded with..."that's a really long time ago."

She doesn't know shit about sports, but she's right. Nobody gives a fuck about NC State anymore. We just need to find somebody who can coach...I don't care if it's an assistant somewhere. We're irrelevant in college basketball right now and we can pretty much just hope to get lucky.

4/5/2011 11:39:22 AM

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"There's a difference between awful results and an awful program. That seems to be the miscommunication here."

The program is pretty awful right now too. At least that's what coaches think.

4/5/2011 11:40:47 AM

we need a former Duke point guard

why? because Coach K played point guard for Bobby Knight

4/5/2011 11:42:21 AM

I wouldn't say we are awful. Wake was awful.

Also,

Quote :

"this thread is pretty unreadable."

4/5/2011 11:42:32 AM

Christian Laettner ^^?

4/5/2011 11:44:13 AM

Give me Wojo.

4/5/2011 11:45:50 AM

hell i would take collins or wojo at this point. I was a dukie in their playing days.

4/5/2011 11:48:20 AM

corey maggette?

4/5/2011 11:49:05 AM

Collins would be good, but he's on dat 190% 5 or 10 year plan, where he'll replace an outgoing coach K

4/5/2011 11:52:16 AM

We were so concerned about news of offers getting out that we forgot to offer anyone.

4/5/2011 11:52:16 AM

Would K let Wojo or Collins leave for NCSU... that seems a stretch.

4/5/2011 11:52:25 AM

I too would take Wojo or Collins. But I also grew up a Duke fan as well. I could deal with a Duke alum but never a UNC alum

4/5/2011 11:53:00 AM

Johnny Dawkins

4/5/2011 11:53:20 AM

Maybe we should hire a point guard from one of our championship teams. Oh wait.

4/5/2011 11:53:27 AM

What happened to the guy that agreed to the "basic framework" of an agreement?

4/5/2011 11:54:20 AM

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"The program is pretty awful right now too. At least that's what coaches think."

u can read their minds?

4/5/2011 11:54:22 AM

^ Well, I can see that we're getting turned down left and right, so...

4/5/2011 11:55:25 AM

K actually likes State and wants to see us do well, in fact, he would like to see us hire Stevens (he told my neighbor that, a good friend of his)

4/5/2011 11:55:49 AM

you guys remember when everyone was scratching their head why we didn't hire Whittenburg who wanted the job and instead hired Lowe... wonder how that would have turned out?

4/5/2011 11:56:27 AM

^^
Is that why he hasn't allowed us to win in Cameron since 1995?

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ]

4/5/2011 11:57:00 AM

^^^ k was a friend of valvano and was sad to see our program die with him.


[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ^^]

4/5/2011 11:57:01 AM

we were mediocre to decent under herb, that wasn't that long ago, it should be clear that we have potential with a new coach.

4/5/2011 11:57:18 AM

^^ truth

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:57 AM. Reason : ]

4/5/2011 11:57:27 AM

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"Well, I can see that we're getting turned down left and right, so..."

your logic is flawed.

4/5/2011 11:57:33 AM

^^^ "we made it to the sweet 16 once with "weave and heave", think what <insert new hot coach> you could do with an actual plan." -coaching pitch

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 11:59 AM. Reason : ]

4/5/2011 11:59:22 AM

Quote :

"you guys remember when everyone was scratching their head why we didn't hire Whittenburg who wanted the job and instead hired Lowe... wonder how that would have turned out?"

Probably the same. He's a shitty coach as well. He got fired at Fordham over a year ago for being worse than Sidney was at State.

4/5/2011 12:03:12 PM

thanks i was just gonna google that

4/5/2011 12:04:37 PM

K is a great, great coach. Second best ever if you ask me, behind Wooden. That said, he has a flat awful track record of producing quality head coaches from his tree. Mike Brey is far and away the best.

Shit, Dawkins, who everyone thought was cant miss is gonna get canned after next year likely.

No thanks to any of his assistants. If we hire one of them there is ZERO reason why we didnt hire Archie.

[Edited on April 5, 2011 at 12:11 PM. Reason : iPhone hates brey]

4/5/2011 12:10:47 PM

hire Quin Snyder

4/5/2011 12:13:04 PM

Amaker fizzled as well right?

4/5/2011 12:13:33 PM

Other than the fact the timing was just really awful to go for Archie. He was taken off the table before we knew the shit storm we were really in.

4/5/2011 12:13:45 PM