wow hish, just wow

11/10/2006 4:40:26 PM

Quote :

"aha i didnt even see that hand ahahahaha"

theres nothing wrong there.



i like the way it went down.

check the percentages.

11/10/2006 4:40:42 PM

Quote :

"wow hish, just wow"

you guys are both wrong.

11/10/2006 4:41:21 PM

i just thought it was funny

11/10/2006 4:42:16 PM

i love it.

11/10/2006 4:42:49 PM

He was thinking he was against an overpair:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2174853
pokenum -h qc jc - ah as -- 7c tc 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc 7c 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Jc 557 56.26 433 43.74 0 0.00 0.563
As Ah 433 43.74 557 56.26 0 0.00 0.437


but as it turns out:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2174837
pokenum -h qc jc - jh 8h -- 7c tc 9h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Tc 7c 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qc Jc 502 50.71 474 47.88 14 1.41 0.514
Jh 8h 474 47.88 502 50.71 14 1.41 0.486

11/10/2006 4:43:42 PM

my bad, I completely missed the flush draw

11/10/2006 4:47:11 PM

And people wonder why I dont play live anymore...It's because I love Stars!!

PokerStars Game #6970212340: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/11/10 - 17:29:08 (ET)
Table 'Risha II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: The Hish 24 ($279.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Dal1982 ($125.10 in chips)
Seat 3: jakexjake ($69.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Ivanovitch ($198.55 in chips)
Seat 5: BadBeatsRus2 ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: JimmyKrak ($112 in chips)
Seat 7: Teryyy ($200.85 in chips)
Seat 8: natbot8 ($197 in chips)
Seat 9: robbie30 ($95.40 in chips)
JimmyKrak: posts small blind $1
Teryyy: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [5h 5c]
natbot8: folds
robbie30: calls $2
The Hish 24: calls $2
Dal1982: calls $2
jakexjake: calls $2
Ivanovitch: calls $2
The Hish 24 said, "family pot"
BadBeatsRus2: folds
JimmyKrak: calls $1
Teryyy: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc 5s As]
JimmyKrak: checks
Teryyy: checks
robbie30: bets $4
The Hish 24: raises $10 to $14
Dal1982: folds
jakexjake: folds
Ivanovitch: folds
JimmyKrak: folds
Teryyy is disconnected
Teryyy is connected
Teryyy: folds
robbie30: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Tc 5s As] [5d]
robbie30: bets $30
The Hish 24: raises $30 to $60
robbie30: raises $19.40 to $79.40 and is all-in
The Hish 24: calls $19.40
*** RIVER *** [Tc 5s As 5d] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
robbie30: shows [Ac Qs] (two pair, Aces and Fives)
The Hish 24: shows [5h 5c] (four of a kind, Fives)
The Hish 24 collected $197.80 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $200.80 | Rake $3
Board [Tc 5s As 5d 3s]
Seat 1: The Hish 24 showed [5h 5c] and won ($197.80) with four of a kind, Fives
Seat 2: Dal1982 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: jakexjake folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Ivanovitch folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BadBeatsRus2 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: JimmyKrak (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Teryyy (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: natbot8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: robbie30 showed [Ac Qs] and lost with two pair, Aces and Fives

11/10/2006 5:32:27 PM

You had quads and you reraised the guy on the turn?

11/10/2006 5:36:06 PM

He was pot committed...I knew he had an Ace and would call regardless.

11/10/2006 6:08:36 PM

^^ David - Do you honestly think I make that call with only the OESD?

I think Ben is the only person on here that respects my game.

Tough crowd.

11/10/2006 6:30:45 PM

Ben respects your game???

11/10/2006 6:50:33 PM

Quote :

"Do you honestly think I make that call with only the OESD?"

Didn't you call down some guy with 99 a few hands ago with multiple overs on the board and another hand you had top pair 4 kicker and called him down as well?

11/10/2006 6:51:29 PM

He played the QcJc well

11/10/2006 6:56:31 PM

David- I dont think youll ever get it. Ben is the one person on here who follows my game, knows what I'm doing, etc..

Those were good calls/plays by me with the 99 and the A3. I feel if you saw Phil Ivey or any other pro do those same plays, you'd be like OMFG!!! Thoze r thee pkr godz!!!

No one is giving Justin shit for raising and betting with 37 sooted. Instead they realize he is making good plays, reads, and calls.

David- One day you will see that Turner and yourself arent the only poker players on this thread.

11/10/2006 7:02:46 PM

I don't raise with 37s

47s on the otherhand..

11/10/2006 7:11:30 PM

Exactly! That way you can flop the nut straight. Don't worry Hish, I made fun of Turner a ton and to a lesser extent Justin back in the day.

11/10/2006 7:53:22 PM

someone turned up the heat in here


btw, i love how this board is progressing to laaaaagggg



makes me happy.



[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 8:01 PM. Reason : e]


now, if we coul donly get more love for limit

[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 8:02 PM. Reason : e]

11/10/2006 8:00:27 PM

FUCK LIMIT AND FUCK EVERYONE WHO LIKES IT!!!

11/10/2006 8:03:32 PM

Quote :

"ok, have any of you guys found limit to profitable? i'm a regular at the 1/2 on stars, and i swear the variance is maddening. i can make $100 one night, then lose it the next and i haven't really changed anything. questions about my skill aside, it is really possible to have sustained success"

Quote :

"I have played poker for a living since 1968. When i played no-limit I won more than 75% of my sessions. When I played limit, I won around 58% of my sessions."

-barry greenstein, ace on the river pg. 39.

limit can be frustrating, but, I find it to be 100x time exciting than NL, therefore more fun. Its a bigger action game, and surprisingly enough, with bigger pots on avg than comparable nl games (size wise).

We are all cumpulsive gamblers at heart, limit appeases the gambler from the pit, from the street, and from the poker players heart.

Maybe thats why i love it more, or the fact that its more of a mathematical game than nl.

eitherway, i wish more would gravitate to it.

however, i wish more would run to o8 and 7cs8 more, those games at 20000x more entertaining than he.

11/10/2006 8:11:57 PM

Nice quote by greenstein.

11/10/2006 8:15:05 PM

im really, really, really liking this book.

so many psychological points of merely making it in a pretty shitty environment that i really needed to hear and are going to try and really take to heart.

at risk of sounding fruity, this book came at just the right time.

11/10/2006 8:21:25 PM

limit



^ I just ordered that book from PS today Ben. Along with a super sweet ass basketball jersey that I will no doubt wear everywhere, flabby arms be damned.




[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2006 8:21:51 PM

yeah i got it from ps.

my mega order came in the other day.

a good coffee table book too, hell half of it is high res photography of some pretty beautiful casinos and card rooms

11/10/2006 8:24:40 PM

^i would have brought it to you when i came in oct had i known you wanted to read it

11/10/2006 10:19:24 PM

Do these books actually help you guys?

11/10/2006 11:15:20 PM

i think harrington's books have helped me in sngs, but not so much in limit for obvious reasons

11/10/2006 11:24:18 PM

i read them for entertainment mostly

[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 11:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2006 11:45:51 PM

i proofread them because i'm so above them

11/10/2006 11:49:05 PM

Quote :

"Do these books actually help you guys?"

greenstiens book thus far is more on the psychology of a winning player:

traits to aspire to
traits to avoid
traits to exploit

these are things that are incredibly helpfull, and i have never seen them in print anyhwere else



but on that note, harrington's book has lots of great, GREAT theory involved, esp. the end game book, vol. 2. the magril value concept ive found has been integral in a redevelopment of my tournament theory for winning tournamnets as opposed to merely being happy with bubbling.

i havent started reading vol. 3.

skalanksy and millers small stakes holdem should be considered your bible, and is a phenominal book for limit or no limit poker theory. probably the best book out there for your money.

I wish there were more o8 books worth a shit, the capaletti book is ok, but not much more than that.

ive got hopes for the ray zee book i just got, its more of an all games hi/lo conceptual book from what ive read htus far





[Edited on November 11, 2006 at 12:36 AM. Reason : e]

11/11/2006 12:31:41 AM

Quote :

"David- I dont think youll ever get it. Ben is the one person on here who follows my game, knows what I'm doing, etc.. Those were good calls/plays by me with the 99 and the A3. I feel if you saw Phil Ivey or any other pro do those same plays, you'd be like OMFG!!! Thoze r thee pkr godz!!! No one is giving Justin shit for raising and betting with 37 sooted. Instead they realize he is making good plays, reads, and calls. David- One day you will see that Turner and yourself arent the only poker players on this thread. "

I think you've just proven everyones' point. Making a call with 99 and A3 in a live game would be a good play, perhaps even a great play. Or even if you were playing online at a table with noteworthy players who were playing at large buy-in tables. But you're not. You're playing at a $1/$2 table with 9 guys who you've probably never seen before, and probably will never see again. Now don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with $1/$2. That's mainly what I play. But the fact is, there is NO WAY to "get a read" on someone online, at least in the traditional sense when playing online. Sure, you can label a guy as being loose, and even track his betting patterns, but reading someone is based much more on interpreting body language and subtle gestures. This cannot be done online.

Sure, you won a couple hands calling down with a marginal hand. So does just about every other douchebag online. That's why online poker is so profitable, because idiots can win and sometimes win big, and thus they keep coming back for more. You won those two hands because you happened to catch someone who was bluffing. I bet 80% of the time, that guy isn't bluffing and you lose, but just because you post your winning hand on TWW doesn't mean you made a good play. It just means you happened to post a hand from the 20% of the time that victory occurs.

And for the record, I can and have beat Turner's and David's asses in poker on a regular basis. Granted, that was 4 years ago, and I know their games have gotten better, but I still aint sceered. Someday I'll venture back East and we'll see how good those two really are.

11/11/2006 2:14:46 PM

Yup. I'll always be a marginal player, making marginal calls. Thanks for the insight Jim!!!!

11/11/2006 2:20:48 PM

Quote :

"But the fact is, there is NO WAY to "get a read" on someone online, at least in the traditional sense when playing online. Sure, you can label a guy as being loose, and even track his betting patterns, but reading someone is based much more on interpreting body language and subtle gestures."

Making plays based on betting patterns is absolutely "having a read on someone", and in most cases this read is much more reliable and profitable than raising because you think you might have seen their nose twitch.

11/11/2006 2:44:30 PM

I'll have to agree with Justin on this one.

11/11/2006 3:42:19 PM

Don't worry Jim, I no longer always go all in with my low pocket pairs unlike back in the good ole days.

11/11/2006 3:42:55 PM

I'm not saying betting patterns aren't important, because they are.

But if you are trying to equate reads and tells like Mike Caro writes about to noticing a betting pattern online, it's not even a comparison. Yes, patterns are important, but I will stand by what I said. Just calling down with 99 with 3 overs on the board or with A-x is a novice move. I am not saying auto-fold when overs come out, but a good player will take control of the hand and be prepared to come out firing, either in the form of a raise or reraise.

But seriously, play how you want. I make my money off of people who just call down with low PP's and refuse to fold A-x.

Oh and here are the "top 10" poker tells from a random website (I would imagine most sites/books have a similar list). As you can see, only 2 of the 10 can be correlated to online play.

1. Watch the Eyes
This is why many pros wear sunglasses or visors/caps when playing, they know that the eyes rarely lie. For example, many players can't help but stare at big hole cards, so their length of time peeking is longer. Conversely, if a player is looking to steal the pot, he may look to his left to see if the remaining players, who haven't yet acted, have quickly glanced at their cards and are likely to fold. Another example, a player may try to ask you questions about your hand, knowing that people rarely can "look someone straight in the eyes" while being dishonest.


2. Facial Expression
Again, many pros try to disguise their entire face by wearing a cap and looking downward. This is to avoid the classic stare-down that poker pros are famous for. They may try to study your face for nervousness (detecting a weak hand), or even look for repetitive characteristics like a body "tic". You may have obvious unhappiness in your face when your hand is weak, and conversely, you may show a contrasting show of confidence when your hand is strong.

3. Weak is Strong/Strong is Weak
In its most simplistic form, this usually applies to novice players but frequently applies to pros as well. Basically, players like to be actors, and when they have a monster hand they tend to look disinterested. For example: "Oh, is it my turn to act" or "Oh I guess I will play these cards". Alternatively, a player increasing the level of his voice while raising the pot, and trying to look intimidating.. may be running a bluff.

4. Anxiety
Anxiety typically occurs in people when they are confronted, or anticipating confrontation. Psychologists call this the "Fight or Flight" stimulus response, which links back to the days when we were cavemen/cavewomen. Physical changes happen including flexing of muscles, eye pupil dilation, palpitating heart rate, dry throat. In poker, when someone has a big hand they are typically ready for confrontation and can exhibit some of these characteristics. You may see the chest expanding abnormally, or you may notice the players voice become slightly higher as he makes a comment. Some of the top players in the game will stare at the vein on the top-side of your face for blood pressure changes. During a bluff, the player may demonstrate anxiety, but if he knows he will fold the hand if re-raised (non-confrontational end) may look quite comfortable.

5. Trembling Hands
Also, a byproduct of anxiety, beware of a player whose hands are shaking, this nervousness can represent a big hand.

6. Glance at Chips
Again, relating to the eyes. It is common for players to quickly glance at their chips if they connect with the board after a Flop. This may be a subconscious reaction, but the player is already planning his attack.

7. Peeking Hole Cards on Flop
Some players will take another look at their hole cards when, for example, the board is showing a potential 3 card flush draw. Typically, the player is looking to see if one of his cards is connecting, because he remembers only that the two cards are different suits.

8. Repetitive Betting Patterns
Usually the most revealing tells are based on the way a player habitually bets during particular situations. For example, maybe the player always checks when he has made the nuts, or a player may regularly fold after being re-raised.

9. Body Posture/Attitude
Some players show obvious changes in their posture based on their attitude/hand strength. For instance, you may notice their shoulders drop/slump when they are not confident (weak hand). Conversely, you may notice the player is very attentive and sitting in an erect position when he has strength. You may also notice that a player who bluffs a lot, leans forward in a confrontational way... remember Strong is Weak!

10. Chip Stacking
When you first sit down at a table, study the way the players stack their chips. Although it is a generalization, loose aggressive players typically maintain unorganized/sloppy stacks, while tight conservative players keep well organized/neat stacks.

11/11/2006 4:13:37 PM

Quote :

"Just calling down with 99 with 3 overs on the board or with A-x is a novice move. I am not saying auto-fold when overs come out, but a good player will take control of the hand and be prepared to come out firing, either in the form of a raise or reraise. "

I agree with that completely, I hated those two hands when he posted them. I'm not sure how you got from Hish playing bad to the previous statement I quoted.

11/11/2006 4:54:30 PM

Jim/David - I guess my reads are so off, right?

PokerStars Game #6987393368: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/11/11 - 21:09:52 (ET)
Table 'Anneliese' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: LukeTheFOrce ($433.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Swatched ($209.05 in chips)
Seat 3: The Hish 24 ($195 in chips)
Seat 4: knecht_poker ($538.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Nitewin ($463.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Quick Cliff ($78.40 in chips)
Seat 7: Holdemphile ($222.90 in chips)
Seat 8: DearDeer ($197.05 in chips)
Seat 9: Jaredms66 ($213.75 in chips)
Quick Cliff: posts small blind $1
Holdemphile: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [6s 5s]
DearDeer: folds
Jaredms66: folds
LukeTheFOrce: folds
Swatched: raises $6 to $8
The Hish 24: calls $8
knecht_poker: folds
Nitewin: folds
Quick Cliff: folds
Holdemphile: folds
*** FLOP *** [Th 9c 7s]
Swatched: bets $12
The Hish 24: raises $18 to $30
Swatched: folds
The Hish 24 collected $40.90 from pot
The Hish 24: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43 | Rake $2.10
Board [Th 9c 7s]
Seat 1: LukeTheFOrce folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Swatched folded on the Flop
Seat 3: The Hish 24 collected ($40.90)
Seat 4: knecht_poker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Nitewin (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Quick Cliff (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Holdemphile (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: DearDeer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Jaredms66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

11/11/2006 9:14:24 PM

That's what I'm talkin about

position = gooot

11/11/2006 9:35:23 PM

Apparently you don't get what I am saying. I am saying that your play is weak and on the novice level. I could care less that you show down a decent semi-bluff or that you post a few hands where you call down and win the hand. It doesn't make your plays any less stupid. On the contrary, it makes you look kind of silly for posting them and showing that you actually believe you are making some stellar play noteworthy of discussion. Let's analyze a few of your latest hands. I'll delete all the folds and other nonsense to shorten this.

Seat 7: The Hish 24 ($200 in chips)
Seat 9: mambreno ($385.25 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [7d 5d]
The Hish 24: calls $2
LukeTheFOrce: folds
mambreno: raises $6 to $8
The Hish 24: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [7c 5h Ac]
The Hish 24: checks
mambreno: bets $14
The Hish 24: raises $21 to $35
mambreno: calls $21
*** TURN *** [7c 5h Ac] [Tc]
The Hish 24: bets $50
mambreno: calls $50
*** RIVER *** [7c 5h Ac Tc] [Kh]
The Hish 24: checks
mambreno: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Hish 24: shows [7d 5d] (two pair, Sevens and Fives)
mambreno: mucks hand
The Hish 24 collected $186 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $189 | Rake $3
Board [7c 5h Ac Tc Kh]
Seat 7: The Hish 24 showed [7d 5d] and won ($186) with two pair, Sevens and Fives
Seat 9: mambreno mucked [Ad Qh]

Why would you post this hand? You called a heads up raise 4 times the size of the big blind with suited connectors and sucked out. Way to go. Would you have posted this hand if he had flipped over AA or AK or A10 or 2 clubs? Are these not plausible hands that this guy might have? I highly doubt you had one of these "awesome internet reads" you seem to flaunt, considering you had $200 exactly, meaning that you probably just got to the table or just busted and are rebuying. What are you trying to show here, that you can suck out?

Seat 6: MonkeyRush88 ($250.45 in chips)
Seat 7: The Hish 24 ($228.60 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [9s 9h]
MonkeyRush88: raises $4 to $6
The Hish 24: calls $6
H@iryCanary: calls $5
*** FLOP *** [Js 6s Td]
The Hish 24: bets $10
MonkeyRush88: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Js 6s Td] [Ah]
MonkeyRush88: checks
The Hish 24: checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 6s Td Ah] [4d]
MonkeyRush88: bets $18
The Hish 24: calls $18
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MonkeyRush88: shows [9d 7d] (high card Ace)
The Hish 24: shows [9s 9h] (a pair of Nines)
The Hish 24 collected $73 from pot
Board [Js 6s Td Ah 4d]
Seat 6: MonkeyRush88 showed [9d 7d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: The Hish 24 (button) showed [9s 9h] and won ($73) with a pair of Nines

Here we have another hand chocked full of mistakes. You simply call the raise with your 99, a weak but common play. Then, after you whiff on the board and let 2 overs come out, you bet about half the pot. OK, that's an acceptable play, but then one guy calls. Hmmmmm, let's think, what could this guy be calling with? On my range-o-meter of plausible hands, I'll speculate. He could have overcards, a jack, a ten, an underpair, or a draw. Well, the Ace hits on the turn, so now overs, a KQ draw, a jack or a ten beats you. You both played the hand like pussies after the turn, because odds are a hefty bet out of either of you takes the pot down. But no, you both check, and he bets and you call and the rest is history. I don't care that you won the hand, it was still a horrible play.

Seat 7: The Hish 24 ($232.75 in chips)
Seat 8: AAFD ($64.95 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [6d Ad]
The Hish 24: calls $2
AAFD: raises $6 to $8
MychCumstien: calls $8
The Hish 24: calls $6
*** FLOP *** [Jh 3d Ah]
The Hish 24: checks
AAFD: bets $10
MychCumstien: folds
The Hish 24: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Jh 3d Ah] [Ks]
The Hish 24: checks
AAFD: bets $20
The Hish 24: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Jh 3d Ah Ks] [3c]
The Hish 24: bets $26.95
The Hish 24: shows [6d Ad] (two pair, Aces and Threes)
The Hish 24 collected $137.90 from pot
Total pot $140.90 | Rake $3
Board [Jh 3d Ah Ks 3c]
Seat 7: The Hish 24 showed [6d Ad] and won ($137.90) with two pair, Aces and Threes
Seat 8: AAFD mucked [Kc Qh]

I've think I've seen this movie before, it's called "Online Donk Won't Fold an Ace." If I remember right it sucked.

11/11/2006 9:54:32 PM

Jim - Ill give you the opportunity of a lifetime. Play me heads up. Name the price. Ill have a private table set up on stars. Let me know.

11/11/2006 9:57:59 PM

Now why would I do that?

Your reckless, renegade, play every hand and call every bet strategy is more conducive to heads up play. I tend to be too tight to consistantly win heads-up. Thus you may actually have a chance.

Someday I'll just find you on a 9-person table and take your money without you knowing it's me. Then I'll post the hands and laugh.

11/11/2006 10:16:30 PM

christ you women.

11/11/2006 10:27:30 PM

btw, feeble,

i think you're going a bit far.

11/11/2006 10:34:16 PM

So apparently, I am weak/tight, but yet play every hand, and call every bet. You are feebleminded.

11/11/2006 10:36:11 PM

must be that time of the month

11/11/2006 10:38:55 PM

yeah ive really got some problems with some of the things being said in this thread now.

i mean, if i get busted on for "acting above someone"........

then wtf?

im not taking any sides here, dont begin to think that, b/c i really couldnt give a shit.

but lets try and be constructive.

but, if we are to be destructive, i could do that also.

there are some hugggeeee falicies in some of the things you posted jim.

for real.

11/11/2006 10:45:07 PM

hey lag bots,


heres a hand from AC today.


1/2 nl. the 20 game looked baaaaaaadd, then 10 gmae had a huge list, and the two-way was kickin my ass.


(to the tone of having 7h5h6c7c on a kill post ina 8 way kill pot ona flop of 7d 3h 4h, and having backdoor diamonds come out in a monster pot, to scoop on me)

decided in leiu of justin's hands, to try out some new things.

heres a question that Id like you to think about.

we all know that equity is the major key in nl tournament hand play. in fact, its probably more important than anything else. its vastly overlooked, and often times frustrates the hell out of people for "suck outs," when the proper play has been made.

how much value do you hold to your cash game equity? or are you of the type that often decides to give up on equity merely for "im not ahead, im a rock, im too tight, im weak, and im a vag"


newer table, but aciton packed. avg pot ~$150. not bad.

we sit with $360 in chips, a mega-ultra ridiculous monster lag immediately to our right, utg in this situation. has already shown to lead a hand and then continue betting it with pot sized c-bets wtih third pair or as bad as 6 high.

this is dangerous, and he's doing it intentionally.

build up action at these tables, bluff off some money in a cashgame application of "dam theory," you can build anice stack when you a) hit a hand hard or b) dont let the table know youve tightened up.

often when im donkin' around, ill do the same. him doing it for me, lights up my eyes, makes a table that i love, esp. with position on him.

so, hes utg, with $420.

open raises to $20, standard.

we call with QsJh.

mp2 calls, this guy sucks but was hitting cards. he became my "target" for the night, then ended up dumping $600 to me on tptk later on drawing dead. i knew it would happen eventually. different story though.

button calls, pretty tight guy. like $245ish


seems to be playing cautious, is pretty timid.

which, with two major lags at the table (myself included), is a recipe for disaster.

blinds fold.

pot goes 4 ways for $78 (83- rake)

flop:

As Ks 8s


monkey lag bets out $35.

me, being what i am,

pump it up to $95.

mp folds.

button pushes for $130 to call.

lagbot thinks about it, as hes folding, he shows the bb AhTh.


do you give up your pot equity, or do you man up for the money that is yours.

[Edited on November 11, 2006 at 11:06 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on November 11, 2006 at 11:08 PM. Reason : i hate that spelling error]

11/11/2006 11:05:47 PM

Don't you have the pot odds to call?

11/11/2006 11:09:48 PM

ok maybe this example was too obvious.

11/11/2006 11:20:32 PM