^activating? whats wrong with activating after 4.0?

4/8/2010 7:50:44 PM

thought you had to have a developer account to active a dev firmware?

4/8/2010 7:52:40 PM

oh yeah...you do. I didn't realize you were just talking about getting the firmware without having your iPhone added to a dev account.

4/8/2010 7:58:24 PM

I'm so glad that my iPhone will now give me the final feature I missed from my old LG Shine. Putting on a freaking personal background!!!

The folders are gonna be nice too, although outside of using Pandora the multitasking will be fairly lost on me.

4/8/2010 9:35:21 PM

flash support.

where the fuck is it?

4/9/2010 12:46:14 AM

Where it belongs.

4/9/2010 1:10:39 AM

agreed

4/9/2010 8:02:26 AM

...where does it belong, on android?

4/9/2010 8:06:18 AM

it needs to die already

4/9/2010 8:12:07 AM

it's not going to happen. i think jobs made that fairly clear. stop talking about it.

4/9/2010 8:25:26 AM

^^^ dead and buried along with ISA slots, floppy disks, PS/2 ports and Windows ME. Technology marches on and flash has always been a lousy product.

4/9/2010 9:30:46 AM

My keyboard still uses its PS/2 slot port

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 9:40 AM. Reason : *]

4/9/2010 9:40:37 AM

mine does too. it's an old belkin split ergonomic keyboard. i <3 it very much

4/9/2010 9:52:19 AM

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"^^^ dead and buried along with ISA slots, floppy disks, PS/2 ports and Windows ME. Technology marches on and flash has always been a lousy product."

:

4/9/2010 10:16:59 AM

Quote :

"^^^ dead and buried along with ISA slots, floppy disks, PS/2 ports and Windows ME. Technology marches on and flash has always been a lousy product."

4/9/2010 10:24:20 AM

Quote :

"^^^ dead and buried along with ISA slots, floppy disks, PS/2 ports and Windows ME. Technology marches on and flash has always been a lousy product."

4/9/2010 10:34:33 AM

look i hate flash as much as the next guy.

i'd just like to be able to browse sites that use it.

4/9/2010 10:52:19 AM

Quote :

"^^^ dead and buried along with ISA slots, floppy disks, PS/2 ports and Windows ME. Technology marches on and flash has always been a lousy product."

4/9/2010 11:11:39 AM

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"look i hate flash as much as the next guy. i'd just like to be able to browse sites that use it."

BOW TO THE HIVEMIND.

4/9/2010 11:18:16 AM

here are all the things i would do if i had flash on my iphone:
- get flash ads

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 11:21:30 AM

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/adobe-says-iphone-ipad-adoption-and-alternative-technologies/

interesting...

4/9/2010 2:39:18 PM

Anyone else have problems with pandora lately? I use it while I drive and it will just stop playing and close pandora all together. Happened to one of my friends too.

4/9/2010 2:51:34 PM

http://www.alexandre-gomes.com/?p=525

4/9/2010 2:56:58 PM

^^^ As long as HTML5 doesn't support ads and DRM, Flash will have it's place.

^ I wonder if we'll get to a point where Adobe will just play hardball and hold back CS5 from OSX.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 2:58 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 2:57:17 PM

^thats not hardball...thats suicide lol

And they'd better decide quick...April 12th is around the corner.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:00 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 2:59:32 PM

Unless Adobe grows some balls I can't see them doing anything but taking this on the chin.

I would LOVE for Adobe to not release CS5 for OSX; but I can't see that happening.

4/9/2010 3:03:20 PM

it would be funny cause all the mac users would just run the windows version in a VM.

4/9/2010 3:05:06 PM

Adobe blog speaks on it...

http://theflashblog.com/?p=1888

Quote :

"Many of Adobe’s supporters have mentioned that we should discontinue the Creative Suite products on OS X as a form of retaliation. Again, this is something that Adobe would never consider in a million years. We are not looking to abuse our loyal users and make them pawns for the sake of trying to hurt another company. What is clear is that Apple most definitely would do that sort of thing as is evidenced by their recent behavior."

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM. Reason : *]

4/9/2010 3:07:08 PM

Wishing that they wouldn't release CS5 for Mac is retarded. If you are so butthurt for Adobe then as the blogger says...don't give another cent to Apple. Its really that simple. There are a number of non-apple platforms you can go to instead of the iPhone/iPad. Why people go out of their way to point out their dislike for Apple and their products baffles me. There are a number of companies out there who I steer clear from and don't waste a moment of my time talking about either.

I use Adobe products (not flash) daily on my Macbook Pro which have nothing to do with iPhone OS and their closed ecosystem (App Store) so why should I care about Adobe/Apple battle over the iPhone and HTML5/Flash?

Adobe still gets my money as well as Apple because of CS.

Their iPhone app is pretty nice btw and free, but nothing in terms of Brushes or Sketch Pro.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:14:42 PM

Quote :

"I use Adobe products (not flash) daily on my Macbook Pro which have nothing to do with iPhone OS and their closed ecosystem (App Store) so why should I care about Adobe/Apple battle over the iPhone and HTML5/Flash?"

Because Apple went out of there way to fuck over Adobe? This isn't an "Flash doesn't work on the iPhone" issue, it's a "hey, we're trying to affect sales of your product" issue.

4/9/2010 3:21:01 PM

and at the same time fucking over many other groups and developers.

The 'you don't like how we do things here? then git out!' response is fucking retarded and completely misses the significance of what Apple is doing with this.

I should say what Apple seems to be doing with this. Its still in beta and can change.

4/9/2010 3:25:23 PM

Flash is shitty...I wouldn't want it on any mobile device. If thats too difficult for someone to grasp boo on them. If you've ever worked with flash and developed for flash you'd understand.

Adobe either needs to step up and address these issues or give up on Flash and focus on everything else they do thats not flash.

But regardless on personal feelings on Flash...Adobe Flash sales might be affected but their other product lines won't.

We also don't know why Apple has gone this route. It would appear that there might have been a time where Adobe/Apple were talking but that quickly went to shit. Why? We don't know...maybe because Adobe stood by their shitty product and said we aren't changing a thing? *shrug* who knows...

At the end of the day Apple will either screw themselves over with this move or nobody will care. Developers have the choice to either abandon iPhone OS as a development platform because of their hurt feelings with Adobe or they'll continue to work in XCode. There is clearly no shortage of developers willing to work in XCode.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:26:37 PM

Flash sucks on Macs. It's not bad on PCs. If it were as bad as Apple wants you to think, you wouldn't see YouTube, Hulu, etc. using it. It wouldn't have powered internet video out of the stone age.

Quote :

"But regardless on personal feelings on Flash...Adobe Flash sales might be affected but their other product lines won't."

Yeah, like I said:

Quote :

"This isn't an "Flash doesn't work on the iPhone" issue, it's a "hey, we're trying to affect sales of your product" issue."

4/9/2010 3:29:23 PM

This isn't about putting flash on the iphone though. Its about using non-apple tools to generate the same code that xcode does. If the resulting code is no good, then they'll catch it in their approval process. If its fine, then why do they care if it was developed in xcode or not? In fact, how would they even know?

Its just about being dicks.

4/9/2010 3:32:21 PM

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"Flash sucks on Macs. It's not bad on PCs. If it were as bad as Apple wants you to think, you wouldn't see YouTube, Hulu, etc. using it. It wouldn't have powered internet video out of the stone age."

dude, flash SUCKS on any platform. I came from PC's long before Macs. I developed in Flash on PCs long before I went over to Mac. There was a day where Flash was needed because there were no alternate options that were worth a damn. This is how Flash became so popular. This is why flash is the norm now because of sites like YouTube which is why newer sites like hulu adopted it. But times have changed, browsers have evolved, and the likes of Silverlight have emerged.

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"This isn't about putting flash on the iphone though. Its about using non-apple tools to generate the same code that xcode does. If the resulting code is no good, then they'll catch it in their approval process. If its fine, then why do they care if it was developed in xcode or not? In fact, how would they even know?"

I agree which is why I say Apple will either screw themselves with this move or nobody will care. What long term hidden agenda does Apple have? who knows...wait and see I guess.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:33:17 PM

nevermind.. ^post

It has nothing to do with being butt-hurt for Adobe.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:36 PM. Reason : *]

4/9/2010 3:35:52 PM

To be fair I think sites like YouTube had started to take up html5, Apple is just helping the switch occur faster.

I, as an exclusive Mac user since 2000 or so, welcome the change since as you said flash sucks on Macs.

4/9/2010 3:36:19 PM

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"dude, flash SUCKS on any platform. I came from PC's long before Macs. I developed in Flash on PCs long before I went over to Mac. "

Welcome to 2010. Flash ain't so bad on PCs anymore.

Quote :

"To be fair I think sites like YouTube had started to take up html5, Apple is just helping the switch occur faster."

As we've discussed previously, the video tag that YouTube uses only works in Chrome and Safari (but not Mobile Safari). It's sort of a "lets see how viable this thing actually is" type beta.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:36:20 PM

Quote :

"You're completely missing the point"

How so?

Adobe was/is trying to push Flash as a development tool for the iPhone which they hoped would boost sales?

^I still use a PC from time to time in 2010 and "ain't so bad" does not cut it...sorry.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/9/2010 3:37:19 PM

Quote :

"I, as an exclusive Mac user since 2000 or so, welcome the change since as you said flash sucks on Macs."

What change?

Going from Apple not allowing Flash on the iPhone to....Apple not allowing Flash on the iPhone?

This isn't stopping the flash product from getting on the iPhone; Its essentially about stopping any 3rd party solution from being able to produce content for the iPhone. They want you locked into their development kit.

Also, I think people are getting Flash Player and the product that Flash CS5 will produce on the iPhone mixed up.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM. Reason : *]

4/9/2010 3:38:52 PM

Quote :

"^I still use a PC from time to time in 2010 and "ain't so bad" does not cut it...sorry."

"Ain't so bad" was sarcasm. Flash works pretty well, Flash 10.1 works better, and both work better than HTML5 does: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/does_html5_really_beat_flash_surprising_results_of_new_tests.php

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 3:42 PM. Reason : Oh, sorry... excluding Safari on an Apple. Go figure!]

4/9/2010 3:40:16 PM

Apple Insider take on it. Says it has to do with mutli-tasking...

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/04/09/apples_prohibition_of_flash_built_apps_in_iphone_4_0_related_to_multitasking.html

4/9/2010 3:42:07 PM

Stein, you are trying too hard with the troll here. I am not seeing the results you want me to see because they aren't there.

You have made it very clear that HTML5 isn't finalized yet and not even close to it.

Flash has been around for how long? Long enough to be on Version 10.x

HTML5 hasn't even matured yet but it still out performs Flash on a Mac. And all I see windows side is potential for when things are finalized.

I get it, you are stuck in your ways and thats fine...hell you think IE6 is the greatest browser of all time. Everyones entitled to their own opinion.

4/9/2010 3:46:23 PM

I'll tell you one thing, Flash works a helluva better on PCs than HTML5 does in Safari Mobile.

4/9/2010 3:46:57 PM

Quote :

"I'll tell you one thing, Flash works a helluva better on PCs than HTML5 does in Safari Mobile"

lol PC vs. mobile now?

Although the iPad handles Safari/HTML5 better then i expected. It rivals a desktop experience.

4/9/2010 3:49:06 PM

Quote :

"HTML5 hasn't even matured yet but it still out performs Flash on a Mac. And all I see windows side is potential for when things are finalized."

Continue reading the article:

Quote :

"Depending on the video card and drivers, (NVIDIA, AMD/ATI and Intel offer products that support this), the video decoding process in Flash 10.1 can now work for all video playback, not just full-screen playback as was available in Flash 10.0. According to Adobe, hardware acceleration is not supported under either Linux or Mac OS X, the latter because Mac OS X does not expose access to the required APIs. Adobe goes on to say "The Flash Player team will continue to evaluate adding hardware acceleration to Linux and Mac OS X in future releases.""

Well gosh, no wonder Flash sucks on Macs.

4/9/2010 3:49:45 PM

Quote :

"Well gosh, no wonder Flash sucks on Macs."

Did you read the article? This was not possible on PC until 10.1 except in fullscreen...lol

4/9/2010 3:50:48 PM

10.1 isn't officially out yet, though it just goes to show that Flash being poor on OSX isn't 100% Adobe's fault.

4/9/2010 3:55:09 PM

If Apple just came out and said,

"We don't want people watching video in safari mobile, we want content providers to create apps that play their video content. We make money off apps, we don't make money off shit people view in safari mobile.",

then I'd probably respect their decision to not support it.

But this jihad vs. Flash that they've started is just retarded, and there is no point or justification for it outside of the aforementioned desire to make more money.

4/9/2010 4:02:31 PM

^^But it is. Its an Adobe product and up until now with 10.1 was an issue cross-platform.

[Edited on April 9, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : ^]

4/9/2010 4:02:32 PM