well clearly...someone thinks we're worth being in.....and ASU isn't....but FLAME AWAY.....Enjoy the NIT!

3/16/2008 6:01:58 PM

uh. we aren't going to make the nit sister.

3/16/2008 6:07:35 PM

Vitale hit the nail on the head

3/16/2008 6:08:24 PM

And for every Vitale there's a Bob Knight.

Dickie V and Fudge Packer are 2 of THE worst fucking commentators ever. And I heard there's a sex tape involving Dick and Tyler

3/16/2008 6:10:18 PM

Seth Greenberg thinks ASU got fucked

3/16/2008 6:12:38 PM

well if anyone fucked ASU it was the Pac-10 refs.......of course they singlehandedly caused us to lose 2 games this year so it's tough to give a shit about them doing it to someone else.

3/16/2008 6:13:56 PM

Hubert Davis and Andy Katz also agree that ASU got fucked

3/16/2008 6:15:35 PM

Ridiculous.

3/16/2008 6:41:27 PM

Arizona is consistently the most overrated and overhyped team in college basketball

with georgetown a close second

3/16/2008 7:19:11 PM

blah blah blah blah.......


J E A L O U S

3/16/2008 7:51:22 PM

ASU's RPI and SOS show that they dont deserve to be in the NCAA, they will rot away in the NIT

they havent played anyone and it proves it. Ol Herby had it right tho he cant help how poorly the other teams schedule play their seasons.

he seems to get more fired up over at ASU than he ever did here.

3/16/2008 7:53:33 PM

^bingo

3/16/2008 7:55:22 PM

I see Herb still likes to play pussies. Their nonconference strength of schedule was 303rd.

[Edited on March 16, 2008 at 7:59 PM. Reason : clarification]

3/16/2008 7:57:30 PM

1/3 of UofA's conference wins were against Oregon State

LOL

3/16/2008 8:08:24 PM

Quote :

"Seth Greenberg thinks ASU got fucked"

no secret that seth greenberg has a hardon for herb sendek.

3/16/2008 8:31:11 PM

and 2 of our wins SHOULD HAVE BEEN against UCLA and Stanford. It's no secret that Pac-10 refs are the crappiest in the country. Go ahead and ask ASU...they'll agree

3/16/2008 9:22:59 PM

Quote :

"Arizona is consistently the most overrated and overhyped team in college basketball with georgetown a close second"

Gonzaga needs to be mentioned as well....but I agree with those 2.

3/16/2008 11:46:51 PM

at least these tossers have their own arena.

3/16/2008 11:49:24 PM

BTW...you guys DO realize that Arizona is not the reason why ASU didn't get in right? It didn't come down to UA v ASU so if you're gonna bitch and complain about Herby not getting in, then go talk to Nova, Baylor, Kansas State, and Kentucky

3/17/2008 12:08:19 AM

Winning 5 of their last 15 games didn't really help them out either

3/17/2008 12:10:19 AM

bottom line is that they had an RPI in the 80s and non-conference SOS in the 300s. Had they gotten in it would have been the worst RPI/SOS to get into the tourney ever.

3/17/2008 12:17:41 AM

they should've gotten in just b/c herb sendek is such a good coach.

3/17/2008 12:18:17 AM

yeah.....that's a reason.....

3/17/2008 12:20:52 AM

Quote :

"And for every Vitale there's a Bob Knight."

What?

3/17/2008 12:34:59 AM

^Vitale says something pro-ASSU, Knight says something pro-UA.

It doesn't matter though. We are NOT the reason why ASSU didn't get in. Believe me...I fucking HATE ASSU and it would be a thing of beauty if WE were the reason why they didn't make it in....but we weren't. Far from it. But seeing as how beating us is the ONLY thing they have in their arsenal, it doesn't surprise me that they're trying to make it about us.

ASSU has and always will be a glorified JC. They're a joke.

3/17/2008 12:51:14 AM

Quote :

"But seeing as how beating us is the ONLY thing they have in their arsenal"

And what exactly was in your arsenal??

Maybe that close loss to Virginia? I'm sure the tournament committee gave you guys a moral victory for playing Kansas close.

Only thing out of conference you did was beat Texas A&M and MAYBE Houston. Sometimes the RPI and SOS can be a fucking joke (rarely...but sometimes it is). Basically Arizona got rewarded for losing to Memphis and Kansas.

ASU was the better team this year, but because of the "numbers"...Arizona got in. Oh well, its not like the Wildcats will make a dent in the tourney anyways. Their 10-year run of "greatness" in college basketball ended five years ago.

3/17/2008 12:05:27 PM

The 4-8, including 2 wins in the last 2 weeks of the year against Oregon State, finish was really what propelled UofA into the tourney... Actually, UofA had 5 wins against Top 50 teams, same as ASU.

This is one case where losing games actually did help Arizona. If they had won 3 more easier games they would have had a much worse RPI. There is something seriously wrong with that.

The absolute THUMPING on the road at Pauley Pavillion raised their RPI 8 spots at the time.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM. Reason : x]

3/17/2008 12:10:53 PM

Quote :

"Arizona is consistently the most overrated and overhyped team in college basketball with georgetown a close second"

whens the last time Arizona made a Final Four? cause Georgetown made it LAST SEASON

3/17/2008 12:13:43 PM

Yeah, I was confused about that too. They were a borderline Top 10 team all year long in the polls... I don't think there is anyone in the country that doesn't think they are right about that.

And, of course, as you said they made the FF last year and have had some kickass recruiting classes rolling in.

3/17/2008 12:15:16 PM

yeah JT3 is doing his thing

3/17/2008 12:18:29 PM

In the last 10 years....for both UA and GT....FYI


ARIZONA=
NCAA Tournament Champions - 1997
NCAA Tournament Runner Up - 2001
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 1997, 2001
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2005
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005
NCAA Tournament Second Round - 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Tournament Champions - 2002
Conference Regular Season Champions - 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005

GEORGETOWN=
NCAA Tournament Champions - NA
NCAA Tournament Runner Up - NA
NCAA Tournament Final Four - 2007
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight - 2007
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen - 2001, 2006, 2007
NCAA Tournament Second Round - 2001, 2006, 2007
NCAA Tournament Appearances - 1997, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008
Conference Tournament Champions - 2007
Conference Regular Season Champions - 2007, 2008

3/17/2008 1:13:38 PM

^That shows the gradual decline of Arizona basketball that I'm talking about.

Powerhouse in the late 90s, and early 00's...now settling in as a mediocre high-major team.

3/17/2008 1:18:45 PM

Oh...I see....so because we only made it to the elite eight 5/10 times in the past 10 years (all pretty spread out mind you) then clearly we are in a deep decline.


You know the thing is that it I can argue until I'm blue in the face but those of you who hate UA, are gonna hate UA regardless of what is fact. That's fine...I hate Duke regardless of fact so I get it...

3/17/2008 1:23:06 PM

I wonder if Budinger ever talks to Costner about how they both could have played at UCLA....

However, I'm sure neither of them regrets their respective choice in educational institutions, amirite?

3/17/2008 2:21:38 PM

UofA and GT are both good programs, I was just pointing out which had the most recent success, recent like last year

I wouldn't call either of the programs overrated though...UofA has been down the last year or so and GT has been up

3/17/2008 2:35:48 PM

I would say that UofA is more under-performing than overrated. They've had a ton of talent come through there recently and a ton there currently.

SIDE NOTE: m2c, you were probably at UofA when Lute Olson bitterly opposed the PAC-10 tourney restarting in 2000. Ironically, the PAC-10 tourney this year got UofA into the dance and knocked ASU out.

3/17/2008 2:47:08 PM

did anybody hear Herb's comments on missing the tourney? I just heard some radio blurbs...about what you'd expect...him and Greenberg had each other's backs because they were both in very similar boats and both missed out...that way they can whine about not making the tournament, but it won't seem like they're whining, because they're talking about the other coach's program, not their own

i don't wish anything bad on herb or arizona state, i don't wish them failure...but I DO want Lowe and NC State to do better...so in that sense I'm laughing

if Herb goes dancing and gets to the Elite 8 while we miss the tournament...fuck Herb and fuck ASU...if Herb goes dancing and makes the Elite 8 while Sid and the Pack go to the Final Four (lol, i know) then good for Herb

for now I'm just laughing at all the UNC and Duke fans who tried to shove Herb in our faces on some "dur i bet you wish you had sendek now, he's going dancing, lowe sucks"...well maybe Lowe did suck this year, but Herb isn't dancing either

and you know he wont win the NIT...i do think he might get to the finals and have a big 2nd half lead and then collapse...thats our MO when we're far in tourney with a Herb-coached team

3/17/2008 2:54:45 PM

I didn't hear it but I saw it in writing earlier today, but now I can't find it. Herb was saying how it's hard to schedule OOC because you don't want to make it too tough, etc. Didn't sound like it was an excuse, more like something every coach has to go through. Essentially, you make your schedule a year beforehand, you schedule your first 3 games on the road vs. Illinois, LSU, and Princeton, not knowing all three are gonna to suck serious ass. Then you ease off a little bit, but those three teams RPI's get killed during the year, yada, yada. Also mentioned how they could have played Duke in the Maui if they beat Illinois or something, which would have made their season even tougher.


[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM. Reason : m]

3/17/2008 3:08:39 PM

Who cares what Sendek does.

What he does or doesn't do at ASU doesn't affect whether I want him back or what he did/didn't do at NC State. He had a decade... it wasn't a mystery as to what Herb was/wasn't capable of here. He's in a different place, so it's a different story. Who cares what tard UNC fans think.

I wish Herb the best and don't want him back...even if Sidney is a failure. I'd like to aspire to being more than a perennial bubble team. That's fine after year 4-6... it gets kinda old after 10.

3/17/2008 3:12:43 PM

^^ I think that's fair. Really, their schedule shouldn't have been that bad. Coppin made the tourney, Del State has been a tourney team the past few years, Nebraska started out well, Xavier is a Top 10 RPI and they were in the Maui Invtn'l... Sure he could have scheduled less terrible cupcakes and gone the Duke route of scheduling cupcakes with RPI's b/t 125 and 200. Either way, they are cupcakes... and that is where the RPI is flawed. They credit teams a TON who play better cupcakes. Either way, they are still a guaranteed W (unless you're Va Tech or Maryland -- which is why they missed the tourney btw).

At the beginning of the year if you told me a team would play Xavier, Del State, Nebraska, Illinois and LSU and have an OOC RPI in the 300s I'd have called you crazy... shit happens though.

3/17/2008 3:49:25 PM

^^uh, don't you realize this thread is a huge troll?

don't let it bother you.

3/17/2008 3:54:17 PM

there are always going to be bubble teams that get pissed they didnt make the tourney...this year ASU and VT happened to be two of those teams

I think if they had some kind of rule system for at large bids it could make things easier to determine...like you must have at least 20 wins and be at least .500 in your conference...something like that

or do like Bobby Knight was saying last night and expand the field to 128....I don't like that idea myself but at least you wouldn't have the bubble teams bitching...although 129 and 130 would be pissed!

3/17/2008 3:55:57 PM

^^^I think he was saying that it could have been even worse.... IE they beat Illinois and they have to play Duke, lose to Duke and have to play Oklahoma State (which would have helped their SOS tremendously).... then go to the Big 12 Challenge and possibly play Texas, Kansas, KSU, or A&M (instead they play and lose to Nebraska).

That being said, they beat Illinois, lose to Duke and lose to any of the above four in the Big-12 Challenge and no one would be talking about their OOC schedule.

[Edited on March 17, 2008 at 4:01 PM. Reason : m]

3/17/2008 4:00:47 PM

asu didnt make the tourney because they lost 10 out of their last 15 games.


the media is too dumb to point this out during their herb lovefest.

if they were smarter, they'd figure out it is a pattern.

3/17/2008 8:46:48 PM

If you were smarter, you would have looked at UofA's last 10-15 games and wouldn't have posted drivel.

I'll save you some time-over the last 12 games they are 4-8, with two wins over the worst team in PAC 10 history. Most people agree the committee looks at the last 10 games, meaning you could knock off their 22 point loss at UCLA and their home loss to ASU, making them 4-6.

[Edited on March 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : m]

3/18/2008 11:19:17 AM

Quote :

"the media is too dumb to point this out during their herb lovefest. "

Funny thing is, I don't think the media has barely even mentioned Herb when talking about ASU getting screwed by the committee.

3/18/2008 11:37:58 AM

you're either deaf or stupid..

more than 75% of the time i've heard ASU referenced, it was either immediately followed or prefaced by "herb sendek is a heck of a coach" or "herb's got a great group of guys"

3/18/2008 12:39:59 PM

Eh...all I've heard is..."ASU has beaten Arizona twice, but Arizona got in ahead of them...but ASU has a weak RPI and OOC SOS."

That's been repeated about one million times with the occasional, "Herb Sendek has done a great job with this program." Which I wouldn't exactly call it a lovefest since its true. Weren't they dead last in the conference last year and 6th or 7th this year??

3/18/2008 12:44:18 PM

5th I believe, a game ahead of Arizona, who was 8-10.

3/18/2008 12:50:37 PM

HERE WE GO, DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DON'T FUCKING BLOW IT.

the Salukis await

3/18/2008 10:05:10 PM