It's amazing that anyone would think being BLACK and named BARACK OBAMA would give you an ADVANTAGE when running for president in this country.

Jesus H



[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 9:44 AM. Reason : I am pretty sure the first 43 have been white - i think the advantage goes to whites]

3/13/2008 9:31:13 AM

^ Are you saying Obama is DISadvantaged because he is black? That sounds kinda racist.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 9:44 AM. Reason : ``]

3/13/2008 9:36:36 AM

Shut the fuck up dude - you've proven yourself to be a retard already

3/13/2008 9:43:30 AM

hahaha most excellent.

3/13/2008 9:46:11 AM

a republican is going to win in november

3/13/2008 9:51:34 AM

Being black helps you become president! That's why we have had so many black presidents!

3/13/2008 10:34:53 AM

90% of black democrats say they'd vote for Obama

10% for Clinton

their policies arent THAT much different

3/13/2008 10:43:34 AM

I know, but Obama only had 30% of the black vote just last year

It's because it's just down to Obama and Clinton, and Clinton has done so many things to alienate her black supporters.

Keith Olberman covered the issue pretty well in the clip I just posted.

Personally, If I have a choice to vote with an Obama camp that has been trying to keep race out of my decision... and a Clinton camp that does nothing but make it about race... I'll obviously go with the Obama camp.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 10:49:24 AM

Quote :

"It's because it's just down to Obama and Clinton, and Clinton has done so many things to alienate her black supporters."

do you think clinton has done so many things to alienate her black supporters...or that black voters are tending to vote for the black candidate?

also fwiw, the majority of democrat women in the same poll said they'd vote for clinton

its hard for me to think that for many of them its anything different than either "i'm black, i'll vote for the black candidate" or "i'm a woman, I'll vote for the woman candidate"...obviously black women are in the overlap but still

3/13/2008 10:54:45 AM

no Treetwista, I really don't think that. 1 reason I don't think that is because of the polls last year that showed Obama with only 30% of the black vote. The Hillary camp fucked up on many occasions, and that resulted in her losing lots of black support.

I give whites in places like NH, Wisc, and Iowa credit for not letting race of the candidates influence their votes - they voted because they liked the way Obama was running his campaign.

I give blacks the same credit, because it wasn't until Hillary's campaign started fucking up and alienating blacks with all the subtle and overt racial over and undertones that she LOST her black support.

Like I said, Olberman laid it out will in the clip I posted.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 11:07 AM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 11:07:04 AM

well maybe thats you but i still think some people are voting for the candidate most physically similar to them, whether it be because of race or gender

at the same time though, i think there are plenty of white people who will vote for mccain just cause he isnt black or isnt a woman

just how fickle our society is

3/13/2008 11:08:30 AM

Well that I can agree with

3/13/2008 11:11:49 AM

Oh my God, Hillary is digging her own grave

WHAT AN IDIOT

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2911

Quote :

"(2008-03-13) — Just a day after Hillary Clinton repudiated Geraldine Ferraro’s suggestion that Barack Obama’s presidential bid has succeeded in part for racial reasons, Sen. Clinton assailed her rival for what she called “a betrayal of Affirmative Action programs spawned by the Civil Rights movement, and therefore, a betrayal African-Americans in general.” “My good friend Geraldine Ferraro was wrong to say that my opponent succeeds because he’s black,” said Sen. Clinton. “In fact, the problem with Sen. Obama, for Democrats, is precisely that he has succeeded without regard to his race. This is deeply disturbing and against our fundamental principles.” “Black voters need to take a serious look at the way Sen. Obama has achieved his national prominence,” Mrs. Clinton told an evening forum sponsored by the National Newspaper Publishers Association, a group of more than 200 black community newspapers across the country. “His arrogant, ‘pull yourself up by your own bootstraps’ mentality, implies that my brothers and sisters who have received a leg up from Affirmative Action are somehow inferior.” Sen. Clinton added, “The fact that Sen. Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, served six years in the Illinois state legislature, got elected as a U.S. senator, and now runs a 50-state presidential campaign that’s raising more money, winning more votes and capturing more delegates than mine, all points to a disturbing pattern of hard work and vigorous competition. His whole life is an endorsement of the kind of meritocracy that Democrats have rejected for decades.” "

Is this serious? Or is this a piece by THE ONION sort of publication

I can't tell

3/13/2008 11:40:17 AM

Quote :

"I give whites in places like NH, Wisc, and Iowa credit for not letting race of the candidates influence their votes - they voted because they liked the way Obama was running his campaign."

-terpball

You realize that Hillary won the New Hampshire primary, yes? Or were you talking about another state whose initials are "NH"?

hahah

And your latest post is so cute it's priceless.

hahaha most excellent.

3/13/2008 2:27:01 PM

I do know that, maybe I meant Vermont, or not - either way, quit calling me cute you flaming fag

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 2:39:31 PM

Quote :

"Is this serious? Or is this a piece by THE ONION sort of publication I can't tell "

Are you retarded?

I can't tell

3/13/2008 2:54:01 PM

^ said it all.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ``]

3/13/2008 2:55:07 PM

^^ Who the fuck are you? Are you stalking me or something?

3/13/2008 3:05:23 PM

Dude don't blame me that you made such a stupid post.

Quote :

"Sen. Clinton added, “The fact that Sen. Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School, served six years in the Illinois state legislature, got elected as a U.S. senator, and now runs a 50-state presidential campaign that’s raising more money, winning more votes and capturing more delegates than mine, all points to a disturbing pattern of hard work and vigorous competition. His whole life is an endorsement of the kind of meritocracy that Democrats have rejected for decades.” "

How could you possibly think this was a real quote?

3/13/2008 3:16:16 PM

um, because it sounds like something she would say?

3/13/2008 3:25:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knBNX_evIOo

HAHAHAHAHAH

3/13/2008 5:43:20 PM

so, twista, if i were a Hillary supporter, I would be supporting her because I'm white... while if i were an obama supporter I would be supporting him because I'm a male.

glad you have it all figured out.

3/13/2008 6:25:51 PM

Quote :

"t's amazing that anyone would think being BLACK and named BARACK OBAMA would give you an ADVANTAGE when running for president in this country."

Umm....yes, I will tell you right now that I think it's been a major advantage, at least so far in the primary process. There are definitely people out there that want to look "accepting and open-minded" by supporting a black man. It makes people feel good about themselves, which is what liberalism is all about.

3/13/2008 6:39:10 PM

I disagree. That may be a side-effect of drinking the Obama juice (for a few whites I guess), but it isn't why they drank that shit.

He convinced them to.


^^^ He just said "we need a woman to clean up the white house"

hahaha

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 7:14 PM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 7:12:32 PM

Probably already mentioned, but they may debate in NC on April 19. Obama has agreed, and I guess Hillary has consented as well.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/2574655/

Any word on where? I'd like to go

3/13/2008 11:01:49 PM

my brother tells a pretty funny story about being slammed into a car and searched by the secret service during the 2000 debate (general election, i'm pretty sure) at wake forest

3/13/2008 11:16:37 PM

we need change. Obama will bring change, and change is what we need!!!!!

3/14/2008 1:02:01 AM

I think Obama is popular because he is young, charismatic and because people like and trust him...being black isnt the thing that is making him popular.

However, were he not a black man and just another white man Democrat, he would likely have no chance to beat Hillary in the primary. In that way, being black is an advantage to him. Its going to win him the nomination. It can work both ways.

3/14/2008 7:56:29 AM

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Quote :

"Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing 'God Bless America' but 'God damn America.' The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is 'inflammatory rhetoric,' including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism." In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, 'I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial.' He said Rev. Wright 'is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with,' telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family. Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, 'The Audacity of Hope.' An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans. 'The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing "God Bless America." No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people,' he said in a 2003 sermon. 'God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.' In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism. 'We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,' Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001. 'We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost,' he told his congregation."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

The "Reverend" Wright on Bill Clinton:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=enMWfQl_Qeg

While I do think that guilt by association is a logical fallacy, no one ever said politics is logical. This story is getting some traction, and I think Obama may have some explaining to do concerning it.

In any event, had this been the questionable comments of a conservative presidential candidate's pastor, you'd better believe that candidate would have to continually explain the association.

3/14/2008 8:15:25 AM

Well, America's foreign policy did have a lot to do with 9-11; and lots of people in the administration knew it was gonna happen. The whole thing was fucked up on both ends.

Either way, he said that years ago - but his sermons right now are NOT helping Obama. It is time for that minister to shut the fuck up.

Quote :

"In any event, had this been the questionable comments of a conservative presidential candidate's pastor, you'd better believe that candidate would have to continually explain the association. "

PLEASE - quit acting like the conservatives have it SO HARD

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 10:35 AM. Reason : ]

3/14/2008 10:34:38 AM

^ 1. The pastor in question has retired.

2. Do you dispute what I posted?

Quote :

"In any event, had this been the questionable comments of a conservative presidential candidate's pastor, you'd better believe that candidate would have to continually explain the association."

Ever heard of Mitt Romney--for starters?

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2008 10:42:07 AM

Quote :

"Well, America's foreign policy did have a lot to do with 9-11; and lots of people in the administration knew it was gonna happen. The whole thing was fucked up on both ends. "

what specific foreign policy do you reference that offended Bin Laden so much? support of Isreal? US sanctioned bases in the Middle East? $texas that Arabs and Muslims make because of our oil consumption? please. give me a fucking break. it was because he considered us as infidels. all the 'other' reasons are just excuses. you libs just dont get it. the US could've been farting rainbows and crapping gold nuggets in middle eastern foreign policy and this asshole would still want to cut your wife's head off in front of you with a dull knife.

wake the fuck up. Bin Laden and your homeboy Reverand there are deluded assholes and cut from the same cloth. your other boy runs with the Reverand and that doesnt at least make you raise an eyebrow? an educated, seemingly intelligent man who wants to be President considers this guy an inspiration; a mentor. that seems right to you?

3/14/2008 10:49:47 AM

^^Look dude, I can't take you seriously if you keep posting that fucking retarded

And right now it seems like Obama is getting grilled harder that Mitt on religion / spiritual leaders

Actually, I'm sure of it

100% sure

And he may be retired, but he's still running is mouth, he was just talking about Hillary and Ferrara(sp?) a few days ago

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM. Reason : ]

3/14/2008 10:50:49 AM

Quote :

"what specific foreign policy do you reference that offended Bin Laden so much? support of Isreal? US sanctioned bases in the Middle East? $texas that Arabs and Muslims make because of our oil consumption? please. give me a fucking break. it was because he considered us as infidels. all the 'other' reasons are just excuses. you libs just dont get it. the US could've been farting rainbows and crapping gold nuggets in middle eastern foreign policy and this asshole would still want to cut your wife's head off in front of you with a dull knife. wake the fuck up. Bin Laden and your homeboy Reverand there are deluded assholes and cut from the same cloth. your other boy runs with the Reverand and that doesnt at least make you raise an eyebrow? an educated, seemingly intelligent man who wants to be President considers this guy an inspiration; a mentor. that seems right to you? "

Well, we've been bombing their villages for years before 9/11. If you want to buy into what Bush was saying to get us into the war, be my guest. It makes you an idiot though.

And if Obama considers that guy an inspiration, good for him - look at how Obama turned out. I don't care how Obama became the man he is now - I care more about what he stands for right now.

I know you won't be able to get over it, and you'll bitch, and you'll moan about a bunch of shit that is completely irrelevant to him running the country. And you'll say that it IS relevant because of something that makes absolutely no sense, because it just isn't relevant. And then we'll be wasting our time arguing on the internet. So just shut the fuck up.

3/14/2008 10:55:44 AM

^ So where does Obama stand now? On foreign policy in particular.

I mean, in 2006, Obama said that a date for withdrawal directed by Congressional edict rather than realities on the ground was a bad idea.
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060621-floor_statement_6/

10 months later, he introduced legislation that set a withdrawal date.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/us/politics/13obama.html?ref=politics

However, his legislation left the option of extending our stay in Iraq open if the Iraqi government met goals layed out by the Bush administration (of course he doesn't mention that in many speeches these days).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001586.html

So where exactly does he stand? Do we have a withsdrawal time table or don't we? Will we stay in Iraq or won't we? If we stay in Iraq, how long will we stay? Obama is not very forthcomming on these issues. And that is a very bad thing.

Really, I'm suprised no one in the press has pressed him harder on this. They never even mention his 2006 speech opposing a congressionally imposed deadline for withdrawl. You know McCain will ask him these questions. And I can't wait, because I don't think he has a good answer.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ``]

3/14/2008 11:09:47 AM

how long will mccain stay? "until we win"...well wtf is that supposed to mean

3/14/2008 11:12:07 AM

^ That's your answer to my question on Obama? To attack McCain?

McCain has made it clear that he would keep troops in Iraq to maintain security while the Iraqi government is formed, while Iraqi troops are trained, etc. He hasn't given a withdrawal date because he realizes this isn't something you just walk out on. We fucked up these people's country and we don't know how long it will be before they can maintain security on their own.

At least McCain is honest about his commitments, even if you disagree with them. Obama slips and slides with the polls. First he says we don't need a time table, then he says we do. He makes it sound like he would have the troops home soon, then he hides details in his legislation about how the withdrawal may be halted if the Iraqi's meet the Bush administration's goals.

If you don't want to explain how you can support those "policies", fine. But don't think deflecting the issue will make the problem go away. Obama needs to make his plans for Iraq CLEAR, if he wants to be forthright with the American people. None of the press seem to give a damn, but some of us do.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 11:26 AM. Reason : ``]

3/14/2008 11:18:02 AM

^x5

Quote :

"Look dude, I can't take you seriously if you keep posting that fucking retarded"

WTF are babbling about? That was a perfectly legitimate post, which you sidestepped with an ad hom attack. I don't take you seriously if you can't address straightforward posts.

Quote :

"And right now finally it seems like Obama is getting grilled harder that Mitt on religion / spiritual leaders"

Fixed.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason : .]

3/14/2008 11:19:43 AM

Quote :

"WTF are babbling about? That was a perfectly legitimate post, which you sidestepped with an ad hom attack. I don't take you seriously if you can't address straightforward posts. "

how, you truly are an idiot

I said I can't take you seriously if you keep posting the retard ed

as in that stupid fucking emoticon that you constantly use

Quote :

"Fixed."

that isn't fixing, that's twisting. You probably learned how to do that from Fox News

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 11:31 AM. Reason : ]

3/14/2008 11:29:50 AM

^ And you reply with a tautology?! You're a fucking joke, herpball.

Quote :

"And right now finally it seems like Obama is getting grilled harder that Mitt on religion / spiritual leaders"

So your position is that Obama has been thoroughly vetted by the media on this issue and others? How fucking laughable--you're not ready for TSB.

3/14/2008 11:48:36 AM

Barak has lost all credibility in my mind after this news (of course, he never had much to begin with).

3/14/2008 11:58:39 AM

i wouldnt mind him as vp

3/14/2008 12:04:16 PM

^ Why? What do you know about Obama--other than he's not Bush?

3/14/2008 12:10:16 PM

^^^^Hooksaw, there you go with that retarded emoticon again. Can you not type without them? do you need the help of these little animated characters to try to make your points?

As weak as they are, I'm surprised you don't also resort to typing in all caps.

Fucking idiot.

Fact remains that Obama is ahead in the polls, and you just seem scared and desperate. That's the only things that seems real in your posts. Everything else is bullshit

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 12:23 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2008 12:22:55 PM

^ So you've got nothing, right?

And I'm still waiting for an answer. . . .

Quote :

"So your position is that Obama has been thoroughly vetted by the media on this issue and others? How fucking laughable--you're not ready for TSB. "

3/14/2008 12:25:46 PM

Quote :

"Well, we've been bombing their villages for years before 9/11. If you want to buy into what Bush was saying to get us into the war, be my guest. It makes you an idiot though. And if Obama considers that guy an inspiration, good for him - look at how Obama turned out. I don't care how Obama became the man he is now - I care more about what he stands for right now. I know you won't be able to get over it, and you'll bitch, and you'll moan about a bunch of shit that is completely irrelevant to him running the country. And you'll say that it IS relevant because of something that makes absolutely no sense, because it just isn't relevant. And then we'll be wasting our time arguing on the internet. So just shut the fuck up. "

so we have been bombing random villages? hmm. who said anything about Bush you idiot? nowhere did I justify any war with my post. nowhere did I mention Bush. what I did justify is what an evil asshole Bin Laden is and I tried to show you that OBL doesnt need any other reason to kill you and your children painfully than the fact that you are not Muslim. period. this point is not debatable. it has been proven by his own words and actions. you are a fucking clown.

so what if McCain considered Nathaniel Forrest his inspiration? are you telling me that you and Jesse and Al wouldnt be shitting yourselves with angst because a Presidential nominee was inspired by a racist asshole? because that is exactly what this pastor is. you dont see that because you are busy jerking off to your Obamagasm. I dont think Obama agrees with what the guy is saying, I just think he is an idiot and a hypocrite to call him such a good friend and advisor...not to mention sitting in his church for 20 years listening to that garbage.

its relevant to running the country because it proves that Obama has very little common sense for so publically identifying himself with such a contraversial and polarizing figure. douche.

3/14/2008 12:29:31 PM

Quote :

"And I'm still waiting for an answer. . . ."

I'm sorry, it looks to me like you asked yourself a question, then answered it with an irrelevant "how laughable" - then went on to post your emoticon.

We all know how much Obama's religion and pastor has been in the media lately, not nearly as much as John Hagee or his fundamentalist theology (endorsed McCain) - but wait, I thought McCain and the conservatives had it so hard right?

You're full of shit dude - no matter who you vote for, you'll still be the idiot who thinks the US economy has been doing great. There is no hope for you.

Quote :

"so we have been bombing random villages?"

not random to us, but random to them. Those civillians didn't know what the fuck was going on, other than their families being murdered.

And yes, since you spat out the same mess that Bush and his admin has been telling us, I figured you were one of the idiots who ate it up.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ]

3/14/2008 12:33:33 PM

Yeah, nobody cares about the Obama-Wright connection. BTW, fuck you.

Atlantic.com (three hours ago):

Video emerged of Barack Obama's pastor's saying that the U.S. invited the September 11 attacks with its support for state terrorism abroad.

http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/obamas-minister-problem.php

Baltimore Sun (three hours ago):

Obama camp: 'Deplores divisive statements'

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/obama.html

KITV - TV (51 minutes ago):

Fiery Sermon Draws Attention To Obama Ally

http://www.kitv.com/politics/15595130/detail.html

St. Louis Post-Dispatch (one hour ago):

Race, Wright or Wrong

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/political-fix/political-fix/2008/03/race-wright-or-wrong/

CNN (two hours ago):

Obama minister under scrutiny

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/14/obama-minister-under-scrutiny/

The Washington Times (two hours ago):

Obama keeps pastor at a distance

http://washingtontimes.com/article/20080314/NATION/729484602/0/metro

Los Angeles Times (45 minutes ago):

Barack Obama's pastor's words echo through campaign

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/03/barack-obamas-p.html

And so on. STFU.

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/14/2008 12:42:49 PM

Sarcasm. You fucking idiot.

Obviously that BS has been in the media more!!! Has anyone even said about John Hagee or his fundamentalist theology - both of which have endorsed McCain?

No!

[Edited on March 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM. Reason : there you go with that damn emoticon again - you smug, pretentious piece of shit]

3/14/2008 12:47:12 PM

Quote :

"Hagee interprets the Bible to predict Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and will be destroyed by God. This will cause the anti-Christ, the head of the European Union, to create a confrontation over Israel between China and the West. A final battle between East and West at Armageddon will then precipitate the Second Coming of Christ.[10] In a discussion concerning Muhammad, Hagee asserts that Muhammad was a man of war and that this influence on Islam is the cause of the troubles of Jerusalem"

-John Hagee

Basically hooksaw is arguing that all religious advocates are batshit.

3/14/2008 1:10:21 PM