3/12/2009 7:40:34 PM

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"oh yeah and fail boat, what was so dumb about what i said yesterday? you never got back to me. "

Asinine was probably too harsh and I apologize. What I was getting at was I don't think you can clearly show that

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"spreading the money out over many different programs insures that more of the money will be spent in the relatively near future, as opposed to if he poured lots of cash into a small number of focused programs"

At most, you're talking about one extra level of "delay" for the money to circulate from a huge concentrated project than from many less concentrated projects. If were talking about things in those terms, this also doesn't include any sort of loss associated with trying to manage the allocation. Take for instance you give massive amounts of that money to a large private entity to get them started. They are going to make sure the bid process is extra competitive and do as much in their power to be profitable with those funds. They are going to be more knowledgeable about what they need bid on and are going to squeeze their suppliers. Now, lets say that those suppliers aren't getting their business from the private entity, but instead are in line at the government for their stimulus. Is the government going to insure that they aren't paying for $1,000 seats? Is it easier to manage funds going to a handful of large companies or to many many smaller ones?

3/12/2009 7:43:57 PM

^^

lol, that reminds me of this dude :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Traficant

3/12/2009 8:03:58 PM

man i miss the jim trafficant show

blagojevich had his chance, but wasn't nearly as entertaining

3/12/2009 8:05:59 PM

Hmm, this has me thinking. Is there a correlation between bad hair and political corruptness?

3/12/2009 8:08:40 PM

to be fair, blago grew his own mop

trafficant was at liberty to wear a bozo wig if he wanted to

3/12/2009 8:11:00 PM

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"That entire incident was in response to the media hyping up Rush.... Why do you think Steele was even talking about it? Because a reporter asked him a question in regards to Rush..... come on, try to use a few brain cells."

Wait. Wait... the media has to *hype up* rush limbaugh? The same rush limbaugh who has said the following:

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""He is exaggerating the effects of the disease. He's moving all around and shaking and it's purely an act. ... This is really shameless of Michael J. Fox. Either he didn't take his medication or he's acting." --on an ad by Michael J. Fox endorsing Claire McCaskill for Senate for supporting embryonic stem cell research"

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""This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation...I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of the need to blow some steam off?" --on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal "

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""Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." "

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""The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.""

and, of course,

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"I want president obama to fail"

- which is the quote that started this controversy. "the media" is "hyping him up," you say? That's humorous idea #1. #2 is that Steele was only losing credibility after the media asked him about rush, which is funny, when you see this interview with steele:



http://men.style.com/gq/blogs/gqeditors/2009/03/the-reconstruct.html

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"I was kinda expecting hip-hop to be playing in here today. Aw, sh—. It’s on my, uh, computer there. I haven’t pulled it up yet, but I’ll get a little bit goin’ in a second or two. ... But do you have a favorite? P. Diddy I enjoy quite a bit. ... Who else? I like Sinatra. I like old-school. You know, Bing Crosby, Sinatra, Dean Martin. Love Dean Martin. He was one of these guys who just didn’t give an F. He just didn’t. Life was a party, and you either want to party or you don’t. But yeah, I like those. I’m a big Pack Rat. I love the Pack Rats from the 1950s—Dean Martin, Sammy Davis Jr., Frank Sinatra, those guys. You mean the Rat Pack. The Rat Pack, yeah. ... At the end of the day, did palin help or hurt the ticket? I think she helped immensely. I think, uh, people want to put it in the context of how the liberal media responded to her. They were threatened by her. Why would the media be threatened by someone with appeal? Because they have their own agenda! Remember, in my view, Barack Obama is their creation. I mean, come on! They got behind him very early, and they stayed with him all the way through. And they’ve admitted it. Even The Washington Post—what was it, two weeks after the election?—finally said, “Oh, yeah, I guess we were a little biased in our reporting on Barack Obama.” This country still doesn’t know who this man is! ... Um, I was really annoyed with Gerald Ford for pardoning Richard Nixon. Because I thought, you know, when you dishonor the office of the presidency the way he did—and I liked Nixon for his policies, I liked Nixon for a whole lot of things, but Watergate to me was just one of those low points. Not just for the Republican Party but for our country. So when you dishonor the office that way, I don’t think you get a pass. That was my first election that I voted in. I was 18. And I had a very strong view on it, and I still do. Uh, so, I’m trying to remember back, if I had a view that was so strong that I actually wound up voting for Jimmy Carter. Um… [long pause] No, I don’t think it was that strong. [laughs]"

This guy is a spaz.

3/12/2009 9:35:36 PM

I thought he sounded like a pretty good guy from that interview.

3/12/2009 10:11:12 PM

The religious crap + the unwilliness to disown pallin really sucks. If he (and the GOP) could just drop those two things they'd have a better chance.

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"Even though all obama's trying to do is recover from the failures that happened during the republican rule. But you're right, of course."

I want to believe that he honestly thinks hes doing the right thing, but the fact that he let 2 atrocious Pelosi Porkers pass is really disapointing.

I'm still hoping for some change.

3/12/2009 10:36:35 PM

as long as sarah palin's name keeps getting mentioned by the GOP i will refuse to vote republican again

3/12/2009 10:54:43 PM

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"How about something more nuanced than "tax cuts" when it comes to the stimulus, which already had tons of tax cuts in it?"

Give me a break. There aren't any fucking "tax cuts" in the porkulous bill. There are offsets for new taxes. Sounds like the liberals are back to their old tricks, redefining the meanings of words.

Oh, I'm also glad to hear that Obama's cohorts in charge of of the TRAP, er, TARP, are requesting there be little Congressional oversight of them, too. It really worked out well under dubya's reign that way. CHANGE!!! HOPE!!!

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"At most, you're talking about one extra level of "delay""

Thank goodness there's less delay. Wouldn't want that money taking 3 years to get to the public instead of the widely accepted 2 years it's gonna take right now. Whew!

3/13/2009 12:36:30 PM

You probably don't care, but I think people would take you a little more seriously around here if you weren't such a caustic little bitch. I respect your position and you seem to at least have half a clue most of the time, but for fucks sake man, this snarky bullshit has been old for a long time. Some of the worst offenders left TSB recently and it has been rather refreshing. Sure, the discussion might not be quite as spirited, but at least they are approaching some modicum of decorum. Quit tracking to drag the level back down.

3/13/2009 1:12:25 PM

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"The religious crap + the unwilliness to disown pallin really sucks."

The majority of Americans and politicians are religious, this isn't a Republican thing.

I don't understand why everybody in the GOP has to disown Palin. What exactly did she do that was so bad? Some people thought she wasn't fit to be vice president... and... she gave a bad interview... and what else? I'm not saying you have to like her, but why the hell does everybody immediately have to disown her? So maybe she's not vice president material but she has not been a bad governor and there's no reason for the GOP to throw her in some cave and pretend she doesn't exist. Whether moderates or people on the left like her or not doesn't really matter because there are a lot of people on the right that do. There's nothing wrong with keeping her around the party as long as they realize she isn't presidential ticket material.

3/13/2009 1:42:42 PM

Because shes a religious nutjob. I dont care if the religion made her crazy or the other way around, but it doesn't fucking belong in politics. Its what totally fucked the republican party. Anyone who might have still been in the middle went to obama because of her.

If you have religious beliefs thats fine, but keep that shit to yourself.

3/13/2009 2:27:00 PM

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"I thought he sounded like a pretty good guy from that interview."

A good guy, or the guy who should be leading the GOP? I mean, I love that he's the one leading them, since he's awful at it, but if I were them I'd oust him with the quickness.

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"Some people thought she wasn't fit to be vice president... and... she gave a bad interview... and what else?"

Where were you during the time between when she was nominated and when the election ended? On Venus? Every single word out of that woman's mouth was either stupid, misinformed, crazy, mean, xenophobic, or some combination of all of those. I literally don't think she said a single logical thing during the campaign that wasn't outweighed immediately by some asinine, ignorant, or horrifying comment soon afterwards.

[Edited on March 13, 2009 at 2:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2009 2:28:17 PM

^ Exaggerate and use hyperbole much?


and

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"I love that he's the one leading them, since he's awful at it"

Serious question - what has he done awful so far?

3/13/2009 2:55:38 PM

Not exaggerating at all. She was a complete shambles.

What's he done? They're already trying to oust him because of what a terrible job he's done. He's tried this whole "hip hop" thing with no idea what he's actually doing (or what he's talking about when it comes to hip hop) to try and get black people to want to be republicans. FAIL. He categorized rush accurately as a troublemaker who was bad for the party, then scrambled to apologize. FAIL. What has he done right?

3/13/2009 3:17:09 PM

obama the warmonger sends a destroyer to international waters to protect USS Impeccable against Chinese vessels.

http://obama.wsj.com/article/05oH7Cac5T87Y?q=General+James+L+Jones

warmonger was tongue-in-cheek...combined with stem cells, BO has had a good week in DaBird world. clearly, this is the Chinese testing BO and he made the right move IMO.

[Edited on March 13, 2009 at 6:22 PM. Reason : .]

3/13/2009 6:21:50 PM

Palin wasnt the best, but she was also railroaded. she is nowhere's near as bad, stupid, unreasonable, etc...as she was represented to be. kudos to the Dems for effectively attacking her and making her lack of experience apparent. EXACTLY what the Repubs shouldve done to BO if their campaign had half a brain cell.

3/13/2009 6:24:51 PM

I'm not defending Palin or denigrating her, but how can anyone who actually voted for a ticket with Joe Biden, or Obama for that matter, call another candidate stupid? Biden is a laughingstock and Obama is fast becoming one.

3/13/2009 11:17:48 PM

obama and biden are only considered stupid in your own delusions, bub

3/13/2009 11:29:03 PM

What can you truthfully say that Biden has accomplished other than being an embarassment to Obama?

3/13/2009 11:40:35 PM

doing things you disagree with =/= doing stupid things

3/13/2009 11:45:47 PM

But what has he actually accomplished that even left wingers think is positive?

3/13/2009 11:51:58 PM

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"Biden was born in Scranton, Pennsylvania and lived there for ten years before moving to Delaware. He became an attorney in 1969, and was elected to a county council in 1970. Biden was first elected to the Senate in 1972 and became the sixth-youngest senator in U.S. history. He was re-elected to the Senate six times, and was the fourth most senior senator at the time of his resignation."

A good fucking start I'd say. Now, do you want to talk about Palin some more or would you kindly shut the fuck up with your 0 cent additions to this section you damn hick.

3/14/2009 12:06:51 AM

^
I don't find being a life-time politician as anything that impressive.

3/14/2009 1:58:01 AM

Its a debate about Palin and Biden/Obama and he asked

"what has he actually accomplished that even left wingers think is positive"

And his resume is impressive compared to anything you've ever done or will ever do and Palin, too.

3/14/2009 8:12:15 AM

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"I don't find being a life-time politician as anything that impressive."

Agreed. I get tired of people referring to senior politicians as "someone who has spent a lifetime of service to their country." Give me a break.


The most telling thing about the Biden / Palin dispute is the fact the media coverage. Palin was rightly skewered as a political lightweight who wasn't ready for national office, but Biden puts his foot in his mouth just as regularly and gets none of the same criticism.

3/14/2009 9:39:36 AM

Biden pulled a Britney

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/03/oh-that-joe-no.html

3/14/2009 9:45:34 AM

an adult said the word fuck

thanks joe tapper

3/14/2009 10:38:39 AM

well fuck, thats something i'm proud of

people shouldn't censor themselves based on some fucking code of hamurrabi or something

like when people were upset that obama had a beer at a basketball game

YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DRINK BEER AT SPORTING EVENTS YOU PURITAN MOTHERFUCKERS

3/14/2009 11:36:19 AM

and to be fucking honest

WHAT EXACTLY IS A VICE PRESIDENT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING???

3/14/2009 11:37:33 AM

I agree. being elected office doesnt mean you cant participate in normal activities and let the occasional curse word slip.

as long as the prez isnt bonging natty lights or the VP is doing his favorite dice clay act, I am fine with it.

[Edited on March 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ..]

3/14/2009 11:39:29 AM

so we have established that Biden has been elected to the senate several times, but no mention of anything positive he has accomplished other than repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth.

3/14/2009 10:48:24 PM

you tell me what you want a vice president to do

3/15/2009 12:52:27 AM

3/15/2009 3:29:19 AM

ITS TWOO

ITS TWOO

ITS TWOOOOOOOO

3/15/2009 4:07:03 AM

Credibility watch:

Mentioned in the Porkulous thread, but it bears repeating: Obama wants to tax health benefits. After he railed against McCain for such a proposal.

3/15/2009 10:23:17 PM

^ that makes sense. More tax revenue and less incentive to have personal health insurance. That should make the shift to socialist health care much easier.

3/15/2009 10:33:22 PM

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"Obama wants to tax health benefits. After he railed against McCain for such a proposal."

Please get your hackery right. His position is if congress wants to go this path he won't oppose it. That's a little different than "Obama wants to tax health benefits".

[Edited on March 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM. Reason : .]

3/15/2009 10:46:27 PM

if you're not with us, you're against us

3/15/2009 10:48:18 PM

^^ And? He;s not opposed to "the biggest middle-class tax increase in history?"

3/15/2009 10:50:05 PM

He may or may not be. I just wanted to point out your rampant douchebaggery, knee jerkism, and supreme thread shitting capability again.



[Edited on March 15, 2009 at 10:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/15/2009 10:51:06 PM

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"His position is if congress wants to go this path he won't oppose it."

semantics. get others to do his dirty work. of all the things to argue here, you pick this?

hackery indeed.

3/15/2009 11:23:29 PM

Obama's plan to pay for soicialized health care is to limit deductions on charitable contributions among others. I've read that the amount of money he would raise this way would be just a fraction of what could be raised by taxing employees on their employer-provided health-care.

So it's no surprise he wouldn't oppose such a tax plan. I'd be surprised if he opposed any new tax plan.

I'm guessing that the game-plan will be to tax you ONLY if you use a private plan instead of the gov't's plan.

3/15/2009 11:38:49 PM

3/16/2009 1:52:30 AM

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"semantics. get others to do his dirty work. of all the things to argue here, you pick this?"

No, in this case it is not semantics. If you can't see the difference in:

1) The President says he won't block a bi-partisan effort to make changes to health insurance benefits taxes

vs

2) Obama wants to tax health benefits


And let's be clear, I'm not even taking a political position here, unless you call getting tired of all you right wingers crying about every little blurb you here Rush pass along before ANYTHING happens a political position.

[Edited on March 16, 2009 at 6:55 AM. Reason : .]

3/16/2009 6:54:35 AM

So... The Presidents rails against a position before the election for political gain. Then he allows that very same thing to happen... And it's not semantics? Pull your head out of your ass and stop kissing your messiah's ass

3/16/2009 7:06:52 AM

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"Now that Mr. Obama has begun the health debate, several advisers say that while he will not propose changing the tax-free status of employee health benefits, neither will he oppose it if Congress does so."

If you want to have a discussion, you need to first prove this is a backdoor attempt to be for the taxes while not being for the taxes. It might be some pretty devious and clever posturing on his part. But I'd rather not ramp up my conservative outrage and jump to that conclusion so that I can be a bitch in The Soap Box until there is at least a teeny shred of evidence this is the case.

3/16/2009 7:18:33 AM

It doesn't matter how the legislation came up, what matters is whether or not he vetos it. If he doesn't veto it, then he supports it. Pretty simple.

3/16/2009 10:27:17 AM