^^^ Maybe if Bev started praying a little more for NC this state would add a few jobs like Texas. Oh wait, Texas already has all the jobs, nevermind.

Go Team Perry!

8/17/2011 8:38:54 PM

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"More often than not, the aid goes directly into the pockets of the regime in power. It helps the people there in absolutely no way."

As I said, foreign aid can be useful as a diplomatic tool.

8/17/2011 8:55:50 PM

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"It's a complete fallacy to to think Doctors Without Borders is in any way a good thing? I'm not even sure why I'm addressing you. I think I'm a masochist."

I was not aware that DWB was a governmental organization. you have truly changed my mind

^ so, then, you are in favour of straight up bribes? is that what you are saying? and you can't see how that ends up hurting us?

and, I'm still waiting for you to tell me what would not be isolationist. what's the bare-minimum requirement for that?

[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 10:02 PM. Reason : ]

8/17/2011 9:59:52 PM

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

8/17/2011 10:09:01 PM

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"Go Team Perry!"

OH YEAH!

8/17/2011 10:24:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCky6hnHsGM

8/17/2011 10:33:57 PM

sure wish the press would have paid more attention to Obama's religious affiliations before he was elected.

and duke, you complain that Ron Paul is too isolationist for your liking. Well, the natural question to ask, then, is what is the bare-minimum that a person should espouse in foreign policy that would make them, in your mind, not an isolationist?

8/17/2011 10:51:18 PM

He's clearly not an isolationist. He's just not an interventionist. Theres a huge difference.

Also, I cannot wait until Perry takes office so he can finally create millions of low paying jobs like he's doing in Texas!

8/17/2011 10:54:21 PM

Sorry, we dont want another W.....talks like him, looks like him, probably as smart as him (Texas governor about the weakest in the nation).....although, Perry is more into the lunatic fringe of the GOP then W.....He might win the party nomination but he is unelectable in the general just like Sarah and Michele. GOP's best shot is Romney.


[Edited on August 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM. Reason : w]

8/17/2011 11:09:36 PM

yep, the GOP should really put up a Massachusetts "republican" whose healthcare plan is what Obama's plan is modeled after. That'll REALLY go over well in the debates...

8/17/2011 11:52:55 PM

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"I think that he is almost 100% ideologically driven, and doesn't strike any balance whatsoever between that and pragmatism."

I doubt this is surprising, but I'm not sure what's wrong with having unwavering principles. Ron Paul believes in natural rights. He says you have a right (something that shouldn't be taken away) to your life, liberty, and property. When you use pragmatism, what all does that entail? Does it mean ignoring the Constitution if it seems to be getting in the way, or does it mean compromising and giving into federal overreach when it seems, at the time, to be a good idea? I'm not under the impression that you would think so.

The point I would make is that one leader's allegedly pragmatic actions can turn out to be a complete disaster, and then we have to deal with the negative consequences which are sometimes quite severe. I would much rather elect politicians that are absolutely dedicated to preserving individual rights, though I'd be interested to know which areas you think Ron Paul could be more pragmatic in.

8/18/2011 12:03:48 AM

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"I doubt this is surprising, but I'm not sure what's wrong with having unwavering principles. Ron Paul believes in natural rights. He says you have a right (something that shouldn't be taken away) to your life, liberty, and property. When you use pragmatism, what all does that entail? Does it mean ignoring the Constitution if it seems to be getting in the way, or does it mean compromising and giving into federal overreach when it seems, at the time, to be a good idea? I'm not under the impression that you would think so."

Do you believe that a simple set of rules will always result in the best outcome, of every situation?

8/18/2011 12:09:47 AM

I think the only GOP reps I would vote for would be Ron Paul or Herman Cain, and to be honest, I'd probably rather have Cain.

8/18/2011 12:11:20 AM

Haha why Cain?

he is a black, male version of Bachmann...

8/18/2011 12:13:41 AM

How is Cain a black Bachmann?

8/18/2011 12:15:38 AM

he sure does hate the Moslims

8/18/2011 12:43:16 AM

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"Obama's plan "

Its funny how conservatives forget that this wasn't obamas plan. Obamas plan was single payer. GOP forced him into "his plan" thats like calling this latest debt deal "obama's debt plan" .

8/18/2011 12:53:11 AM

Yeah, but at least he wasn't meaning to strike them down on a religious basis. And he did apologize, the man is not a perfect politician after all.

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"I don’t know everything. I don’t pander to groups. And I am terrible at political correctness. Like any candidate, I will make some gaffes and stumble in some interviews with the press."

Seems legit to me.

8/18/2011 12:56:30 AM

how?

8/18/2011 1:05:24 AM

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"Consider the Texas that Perry holds up to the rest of the nation for admiration. It has the fourth-highest poverty rate of any state. It tied with Mississippi last year for the highest percentage of workers in minimum-wage jobs. It ranks first in adults without high school diplomas. Twenty-six percent of Texans have no health insurance — the highest percentage of medically uninsured residents of any state. It leads the nation in the percentage of children who lack medical insurance. Texas has an inordinate number of employers who provide no insurance to their workers, partly because insurance rates are high, thanks to an absence of regulations."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-sad-facts-behind-rick-perrys-texas-miracle/2011/08/16/gIQAxc3zJJ_story.html

8/18/2011 1:13:46 AM

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"I was not aware that DWB was a governmental organization. you have truly changed my mind"

So it's only government aid that can be considered terrible? Doctors Without Borders is not considered foreign aid? Truly the leaps you make to support your ridiculous statements are dizzying.

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"^^^ Maybe if Bev started praying a little more for NC this state would add a few jobs like Texas. Oh wait, Texas already has all the jobs, nevermind. Go Team Perry!"

You're trolling right?

[Edited on August 18, 2011 at 8:42 AM. Reason : .]

8/18/2011 8:39:33 AM

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"Texas has an inordinate number of employers who provide no insurance to their workers, partly because insurance rates are high, thanks to an absence of regulations."

ahahaahahahahahahahah.




No.

8/18/2011 8:40:00 AM

i simply can not bring myself to vote for anyone else but Ron Paul.

8/18/2011 9:19:28 AM

Bachmann: I'll bring back $2 gas
http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/18/news/economy/bachmann_gas_prices/index.htm

8/18/2011 11:13:22 AM

Unemployment was 4.2% when Perry took office, now it's 8.3%

[Edited on August 18, 2011 at 11:27 AM. Reason : correction]

8/18/2011 11:25:20 AM

Oh come on, that's stupid and disingenuous even by your standards.

8/18/2011 11:33:12 AM

^It's a statistical truth.

[Edited on August 18, 2011 at 11:49 AM. Reason : lll]

8/18/2011 11:48:50 AM

And?

Either you're deliberately trying to be misleading, or you're a fucking moron. Which one is it?

8/18/2011 12:05:07 PM

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"Consider the Texas that Perry holds up to the rest of the nation for admiration. It has the fourth-highest poverty rate of any state. It tied with Mississippi last year for the highest percentage of workers in minimum-wage jobs. "

And one of the lowest costs of living. Poverty is a national average that does not calculate cost of living.

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"It ranks first in adults without high school diplomas. Twenty-six percent of Texans have no health insurance — the highest percentage of medically uninsured residents of any state. It leads the nation in the percentage of children who lack medical insurance."

This is including 1.3 million illegal immigrants that are included in census data.

[Edited on August 18, 2011 at 12:28 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2011 12:26:08 PM

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"Its funny how conservatives forget that this wasn't obamas plan. Obamas plan was single payer. GOP forced him into "his plan" thats like calling this latest debt deal "obama's debt plan" ."

yeah, that strong GOP presence that controlled at least one of the houses of Congress sure did fight hard!

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"So it's only government aid that can be considered terrible? Doctors Without Borders is not considered foreign aid?"

because we are talking about what the government does, not what random citizens do. why is that so fucking hard for you to comprehend? Hmmm... dollars doled out directly to a gov't verses charity work given directly to the people. why would the be a difference between these two? hmmm...

^ yep. there's lies, damn lies, and statistics

8/18/2011 3:00:42 PM

aaronburro were you listening to Rush today too because you're pretty much word-for-word parroting the whole "DEM SUPAMAJORITY WAS IMPENETRABLE THEY HAVE NO EXCUSES blue dogs whats a blue dog?" angle

8/18/2011 3:13:13 PM

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"yeah, that strong GOP presence that controlled at least one of the houses of Congress sure did fight hard!"

they were too pussy to simply "ram waht they wanted through" so they let republicans give input on how it should be changed to get a bipartisan bill. The republicans just sold them out and act like they did what they wanted afterwards but if that was the case, we'd have single payer.

8/18/2011 5:56:25 PM

Burro, you were talking about the results of foreign aid, not the source. You said that foreign aid could never be considered helpful. I then provided an example of a foreign aid organization and you now say its not the foreign aid you were referring to. If its the results that are lacking, then what is the difference between private and public aid in terms of the results? What if the US government donates money to DWB? Does it suddenly become worse for the people receiving aid?

8/18/2011 8:19:16 PM

8/18/2011 9:03:48 PM

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"To be clear. I believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. Call me crazy"

-Jon Huntsman, soon to be labeled Marxist Nazi

8/18/2011 10:47:33 PM

^Difficult to be labeled a Marxist Nazi, when you're a Mormon who fully supports Israel. I appreciate him implicitly calling me crazy as well, though I can't really be sure since he just tries to envelop all evolutionary biology under the spectrum of "evolution." Apparently he wouldn't listen to my science, since I'm one of those crazy people who believe the Bible.

8/18/2011 11:38:06 PM

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"Either you're deliberately trying to be misleading, or you're a fucking moron. Which one is it?"

Perry is spouting off about his great job creation in Texas, and I'm disproving it.

Any jobs he created were shitty, poorly paid positions.

8/19/2011 1:55:31 AM

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"ahahaahahahahahahahah. No."

Tort reform didn't lower health care costs. Why is it going up faster than the rest of the country?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/breaking-down-rick-perrys-texas-miracle/2011/08/15/gIQAzRHFHJ_blog.html

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"Tort reform. On the other hand, Perry can claim credit for a 2003 law that caps malpractice awards. “We’ve had the most sweeping tort reform in the nation,” Perry said Sunday, observing that Texas has added some 20,000 physicians since the law was passed. Technically, he’s right, though critics of the law, like the American Association for Justice, which represents trial lawyers, counter that the number of doctors in the state has simply been growing at the same rate it always has. (On a separate note, Texas’ tort reform doesn’t seem to have helped control health care costs — since 2003, Texas’ Medicare reimbursements have actually been rising faster than in the rest of the country.)"

8/19/2011 2:05:09 AM

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"Burro, you were talking about the results of foreign aid, not the source. You said that foreign aid could never be considered helpful. I then provided an example of a foreign aid organization"

foreign aid != foreign aid organization. there's your problem. again, one is coming directly from a government, which affects how it gets received. I'm sorry that you are so fucking stupid that you don't see a difference between a gov't paying money directly to a dictator in "aid" and charity groups doing their work on the ground directly with the people.

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"What if the US government donates money to DWB?"

But it ultimately doesn't. From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9decins_Sans_Fronti%C3%A8res

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"In order to be able to speak and act freely, MSF remains independent of any political, religious or economic powers. The majority of MSF activities are paid for with private donations."

DOH!

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"Perry is spouting off about his great job creation in Texas, and I'm disproving it."

by using misleading and disingenuous statistics.

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"Any jobs he created were shitty, poorly paid positions."

Which is still a fuck-ton better than ZERO jobs.

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"Tort reform didn't lower health care costs. Why is it going up faster than the rest of the country?"

Because tort isn't the only problem in the system? wow, that was fucking hard!

8/19/2011 7:21:23 AM

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/rick-perry-evolution-presidential-race-/1

8/19/2011 1:38:47 PM

ew ew me me me.....about 4 billion years old

8/19/2011 1:50:44 PM

oh god, here we go

8/19/2011 1:53:41 PM

I mean, we can laugh all we want at Perry and Bachman, but if GWB proved anything, it's that anyone can become President in this stupid fucking country. The man was a cocaine addict who failed at every business venture he ever attempted and was by all accounts, a shit governor. Then after 4 years of fucking up our country, he got elected again. So yeah, these people are psychos, but if Obama doesn't get on top of his shit, one of these psychos will become our next President. It's a scary thought.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 2:06 PM. Reason : shit]

8/19/2011 2:05:26 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/bank-americas-dead-drop-rick-perry-we-will-help-you-out

Well, we know whose side Bank of America is on.

8/19/2011 2:30:39 PM

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"if Obama proved anything, it's that anyone can become President in this stupid fucking country"

and many more examples I'm sure

8/19/2011 2:50:43 PM

Someone tell me the relevance of inter-species evolution in politics?

8/19/2011 4:48:57 PM

The propensity of supporting the teaching of creationism as science in school and the supporting of legislation to suppress science-based initiatives like stem cell research.

8/19/2011 4:59:20 PM

and even more broadly, it's a barometer, or at least a screening test, of good judgment. If you believe that the earth is 7000 years old, your capacity for consistently making the correct calls on other more important--but more difficult--matters is called into question.

In his defense, Rick Perry did not, at least anywhere that I saw, claim evolution to be outright false, or creationism to be correct, or make any statement concerning the age of anything.

[Edited on August 19, 2011 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ^ that's relevant too, though]

8/19/2011 5:03:34 PM

Luckily, you can avoid having to be held accountable for any of your beliefs by defining "God" as "that which cannot be understood."

8/19/2011 5:08:41 PM

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"In his defense, Rick Perry did not, at least anywhere that I saw, claim evolution to be outright false, or creationism to be correct, or make any statement concerning the age of anything."

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"During his 2010 re-election bid in Texas, Perry said he is a "firm believer in intelligent design as a matter of faith and intellect," according to his responses to questions from the Standard-Times in San Angelo, Texas."

8/19/2011 5:20:02 PM