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8/27/2013 1:52:31 PM

lots of 'scenes from the next episode' (and i still don't know why you're giving Dexter pointers in the BB thread) are misleading anyway

for example, as I talk about Dexter in the Breaking Bad thread, one of the 'scenes from the next' a few weeks ago showed Quinn telling Dexter "I know what you're doing" or something, as Dexter was in his kill shirt...but when you actually watch the episode, Quinn has no idea what Dexter is actually doing

I don't post spoilers from the 'scenes from the next' segments, but I'm going to continue to watch them

8/27/2013 1:55:17 PM

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"(and i still don't know why you're giving Dexter pointers in the BB thread)"

someone said someone was "being a fag" in this thread just like they were "being a fag" in the dexter thread re: preview spoilers. I quoted the text in my previous post

yeah i accidentally watched that quinn one

it's almost like that line written purely for the preview's misdirection


and since we're on this topic



[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 2:24 PM. Reason : /]

8/27/2013 2:11:15 PM

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"You were a fag in the Dexter Season 7 thread for bitching about me not using spoiler tags and now you're douching up this thread too. Give it a rest and talk about something else."

I'm a fag for complaining about you posting spoilers without tags? That makes sense. You kind of lose credibility with that one.

But as far as me "standing firm" goes; For it to make sense logically, you have to remember stuff that aired 2-3 years ago. Someone listed a few of those things (that person was xienze), I acknowledged that it does make sense with those in mind . I'm not sure how that can be construed as "standing firm" or it not being clear to me.

I did stand firm on one aspect. Which was Jesse not being able to know for sure that Huelle took the cigarette simply because he took his weed. Which was the catalyst for the entire thought process. But I said, twice I think, that I'm completely fine with him going on a hunch. It's all clear as day to me.

8/27/2013 6:32:29 PM

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"Which was Jesse not being able to know for sure that Huelle took the cigarette simply because he took his weed. Which was the catalyst for the entire thought process."

Please see one of the dozen posts that point out Jesse already suspected Huell swiped the cigarette at Walter's command. That was revealed two years ago.

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2013 8:42:39 PM

^ Yeah... I've seen it a bunch. And I'm aware of it. So what?

How does him having suspected Huell of stealing it and now knowing that Huell can pick his pocket make it DEFINITELY the case that Huell took the cigarette?

That incorrect argument would look like this:

I think Ernie stole from me 6 months ago
Ernie stole from me today
Therefore, Ernie definitely stole from me 6 months ago.

And that doesn't actually add up. It's not a valid argument. Right?

If I suspect you of stealing from me and then 6 months later you definitely steal from me, that does not prove that you stole from me that time 6 months ago. It may strengthen my suspicions that it was you who stole from me before, but it does not conclusively add up to "Ernie definitely stole from me 6 months ago".

That is the same scenario we're talking about. The fact that I couldn't definitively conclude that you stole from me 6 months ago is just as true for Jesse not being able to conclude that Huell stole the cigarette previously just because he stole from him now.

So there are two possibilities at that point:
1) While it was not conclusive, it strengthened Jesse's suspicions so much that he wanted to go question Saul about it

2) Jesse concluded that Saul/Huell stole the cigarette using invalid logic. It is possible to come to the correct conclusion for the wrong reasons.

I believe the first option is what occurred. it increased his suspicion/hunch and gave him reason to question Saul.

The reason is that because knowing that Saul/Huell stole the ricin cigarette is all you need to know in order to use the old information to conclude that Walt was behind the poisoning. If you know they stole the cigarette for a fact (or at least believe you do) then you have all of the information necessary to (validly) conclude that Walt poisoned Brock. ---I'll explain it if you'd like, it "adds up" very nicely.

And if he could have done that at the time he was on the side of the road, he would have went straight to Walt's. There would have been no need to go to Saul's. He went to Saul's to CONFIRM his strengthened suspicions/hunch. He was pissed with Saul, but not like he was with Walt. Walt was the end goal there. He just needed Saul to confirm that the piece that ultimately led to the valid conclusion that Walt poisoned Brock was actually true. If they didn't steal the cigarette, then the argument completely falls apart (even though the conclusion is correct).


Get what I'm saying? I'm not saying that the whole thing doesn't add up. I'm just saying that the side of the road/cigarette thing makes perfect sense as a really strong gut feeling based on now knowing for a fact that Huell can pick pockets. It DOES NOT make sense as being a conclusive thing unless the character is just correct for the wrong reasons. And the fact that he went to Saul's for the confirmation supports the notion that he didn't actually know for sure at that point, but just had the very strong suspicion.

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM. Reason : .]

8/27/2013 10:07:17 PM

dude what the fuck

[Edited on August 27, 2013 at 10:41 PM. Reason : I realize this thread is about ricin being stolen, which I am not.]

8/27/2013 10:40:01 PM

^^

my god

it's like you're mad at yourself

8/27/2013 10:56:46 PM

only one question that needs to be answered: why is the only black guy on the show an outstanding pick pocket?

is he going to be eaten by zombies soon too?

8/27/2013 11:14:53 PM

^^ uh...nope? I get it. I have no need to ask questions about it or talk about it. But the guy brought it up. I could just not respond. But I have a tough time not responding when people say things that aren't right.

8/27/2013 11:19:21 PM

^^ You forgot about Tyrus.

Who was blown up.

8/27/2013 11:26:06 PM

Can I get you guys some guacamole while you have this heated discussion over the ricin? We make it at the table!

8/28/2013 9:02:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mVq_4BA5DQ

8/28/2013 9:23:05 AM

For a second I thought the waiter was the waiter from Office Space

And lol^


[Edited on August 28, 2013 at 10:29 AM. Reason : ^]

8/28/2013 10:28:26 AM

8/28/2013 10:32:42 AM

To me, Jesse's epiphany was the end result of a giant snowball effect that had been building since the beginning of season 5. He see's Walt completely differently than he did at the end season 4 when Brock was poisoned. He now knows that Walt is totally ok with child murder, to the point that he's happily whistling after discussing it with Jesse and is content working with the guy who did it. He knows (or strongly suspects) that Walt murdered Mike. There was also those 10 people in jail, and just Walt's general sociopathic behavior after Gus was out of the picture. He's downright terrified of the man. The weed being swiped just made him reconsider Brock's poisoning in light of all this new information about Walt.

8/28/2013 12:35:40 PM

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"Can I get you guys some guacamole while you have this heated discussion over the ricin? We make it at the table!"

legit lol'd

And duro brah, you've got to stop. You're the only one having an issue with the incredibly rational explanation. It's really simple, dude: Jesse had it all correctly figured out at the end of season 4, Walt convinced him otherwise, and since Jesse's trust in Walt has been rapidly deteriorating for a long time, he realized that Walt was lying to him when he noticed that Huell stole his pot in the exact same fashion that the ricin cigarette was stolen.

Supposedly, Huell actually lifted the whole pack of cigarettes and replaced it with a ricin-cigarette-less pack of cigs, which makes it more believable IMO. Hard to believe even the best pickpocket in the world could lift a single specific cigarette out of a pack of cigs in someone's pocket, especially when he doesn't know which cigarette it is.

8/28/2013 6:39:12 PM

The ricin cig was upside-down... it was Jesse's "lucky cigarette"

8/28/2013 6:47:17 PM

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"And duro brah, you've got to stop. You're the only one having an issue with the incredibly rational explanation."

What's funny about this is that I don't have an issue with it AT ALL, brah.

The only reason anyone thinks I have an issue with it is because their reading comprehension skills are poor. Or, they themselves can't just accept that Jesse did not have it 100% definitively figured out at the side of the road. He had it 100% figured out at that point IF Walt definitely stole the cigarette. But he couldn't determine that for sure at that point. So he went to Saul's to get that confirmed. Once it was confirmed, that was it, everything else lines up. He knew undoubtedly that Walt poisoned Brock. And once again, if he had it 100% definitively figured out on the side of the road, there would have been no need to go to Saul's and he would have went straight to Walt's. He just needed Saul to admit they stole the cigarette, and then off to Walt's he went because as you said, it is incredibly rational.

[Edited on August 28, 2013 at 9:02 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2013 8:57:33 PM

hahahaha

8/28/2013 9:44:46 PM

jesus fucking christ

8/30/2013 2:03:14 PM

why is this dude having so much trouble understanding what happened after it was explained to him? hilarious.

8/30/2013 2:11:18 PM

So, uh, I kinda looked away right at the end, and then when I looked back Jesse was pouring gasoline on something or someone...somebody care to fill me in?

[Edited on August 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM. Reason : LOL @ elkaybie]

8/30/2013 6:31:00 PM

^ sure, no problem.

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8/30/2013 7:38:04 PM

^^

8/31/2013 7:53:30 AM

AHAHA

Thanks, guys.

8/31/2013 11:18:21 AM

Very glad they aren't taking a Labor Day hiatus tonight.

9/1/2013 3:52:01 PM

9/1/2013 8:27:18 PM

I cant believe that actually spend money on a commercial for a french fry burger. that's unreal to me.

I might get to the show later

[Edited on September 1, 2013 at 9:42 PM. Reason : jm]

9/1/2013 9:32:10 PM

what are there, 3 or 4 more episodes?

epic shit incoming

9/1/2013 10:17:47 PM

^4 more. 8 in season 5A, 8 in 5B

9/1/2013 10:39:36 PM

hurting Walt where he really lives--ideas?

Lab? The reputation of his product?
The car wash/cover?
Maybe exposing him to Walt jr?

I'm sure Lydia will play a role in this somehow. Not as an ally but a pawn. Todd is about to cook for her, so maybe jesse will approach her to cook instead? Make one good product and then destroy a batch thus ruining the Heisenberg name and luring him out to cook again?

Telling Walt Jr who his dad really is though would crush that last line of humanity and being a family man. That would happen anyway once he's (inevitably by the premiere of part I and II) exposed.'

I dunno...probably the lab/ego.

[Edited on September 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM. Reason : ]

9/2/2013 10:14:12 AM

i can't imagine he'd go after his family after turning into a little baby over the kid getting poisoned

I'd guess on putting out shitty product under heisenberg's name and ruining his legacy?

9/2/2013 10:21:33 AM

Yeah I just edited my comment to suggest the same thing--putting something out under the Heisenberg name. Probably exactly it.

It was a slower episode but still a good one. Sad there's only 4 episodes left but also very excited as a lot is about to and has to happen here in just 4 hrs.

9/2/2013 10:25:31 AM

the last show is the family at a diner and they kept looking at the door. Then black



dont get your hope up high.

9/2/2013 10:45:55 AM

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"Maybe exposing him to Walt jr?"

That's what I thought at first. But I don't think Hank would let him as long as he's with him.

9/2/2013 11:32:43 AM

the name of this week's episode is "To Hajiilee"

Tohajiilee is the area of the desert where Jesse and Walt did their first cook, and where Walt buried his money a few weeks ago

And Vince Gilligan's 'teaser' about the episode said something about Lydia learning about farm-grown salmon...whatever the fuck that is supposed to imply

9/2/2013 3:37:06 PM

maybe she takes a trip to belize with old yeller to learn about farm-grown salmon

9/2/2013 4:32:59 PM

^^we all have the internet, we could find teasers for the next ep if we wanted em

9/2/2013 9:01:31 PM

Lol at pancakes and cereal on the table for Walt Jr. in Talking Bad

9/2/2013 11:36:43 PM

^^I hesitated to post what I did, but didn't think anything was too potentially-spoilerish

9/2/2013 11:50:38 PM

^^ I was actually surprised to see Walt Jr. talk as he does in the show. For some odd reason, I thought he was acting on that too.

9/7/2013 2:56:19 PM

i don't think jessie's revenge is going to have anything to do with cooking shitty product. the white guys were already coloring their meth blue and nobody thought it was the real deal. furthermore, i don't see hank setting up a lab for jessie and allowing him to cook.

my guess is on walt's money, although i don't think jessie has any idea where it is.

9/7/2013 4:21:07 PM

Maybe Jesse means he's going to go BACK to Walt's house? I dunno. But in the flash-forward from the season premiere, 'Heisenberg' is painted on the wall of his house. So that has to happen at some point, by someone.

9/7/2013 6:04:30 PM

well yeah he clearly gets outed in some capacity based on his neighbor's terrified reaction to his presence

9/7/2013 6:53:12 PM

are far into this season do you guys think it will be before what happened to his house happens?

I can't imagine that the intro to the season is going to be the end of the show. Although, who knows really. Assuming that's not the very end of the show (let's say that's actually the beginning of the last episode/end of the second to last), it seemed like the house had been vacant for some time. So I'd expect him to be outed sooner than later unless they do some "x months later" stuff.

9/7/2013 10:08:26 PM

Yea. I think the flash-forwards which wont really be flashfowards at this point will be the entire series finale.

9/8/2013 11:30:56 AM

They literally are showing the exact same Low Winter Sun promo every single week.

I think I've seen that guy get his head dunked 100 times.

9/8/2013 9:09:30 PM

What happened between Todd answering the call from Walt (post color not being blue) and Walt actually sitting down with Todd's uncle? Probably missed 3-5 min. Our DVR froze and we had to reboot.

9/8/2013 9:32:14 PM

Hank grilled Huell about Walt's money, found out about the van Walt used.

9/8/2013 9:34:43 PM