I, for one, enjoyed the story. I was expecting the black kid to end up selling drugs or in prison, so I was delighted by the happy ending of crippling student debt instead.

8/18/2015 10:43:38 PM

But according to HUR, he can just bootstrap his way out of college debt. Doesn't matter all he had to go through just to get to that point.

8/18/2015 10:46:27 PM

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""...found that the gap persists for identical jobs, even after controlling for hours, education, race and age. Female doctors and surgeons, for example, earn 71 percent of what their male colleagues make, while female financial specialists are paid just 66 percent as much as comparable men.""

That is a very small fragment of the overall picture. The same source you reference has:

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"women without children generally have higher earnings than women with children and why the former’s earnings are almost equal to those of comparable men."

Man biology is so sexist!

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"That is, when we include all the selected job and workplace, education and training, and demographic and personal variables, women earned 6.6 percent less in 2009 than men earned."

When they account for variables (aka think) the gap goes to 6.6%. This is the "unexplained gap" that some deem is pure sexism. Claudia Goldin's (the source for 90% of this shit) guess is that men are willing to work longer, less stable hours and that accounts for it.

Either way, way less than "78%" or whatever liberals throw around to make women feel like victims. The same concept applies to the racial wage gap. Not considering all relevant factors and screaming VICTIM!!!! is what I'm trying to argue against. Or, as most ppl ITT call it, RACISM.

8/18/2015 10:47:16 PM

http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=hire_women

8/18/2015 10:50:09 PM

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"^^So you would have preferred this person get an abortion?"

No. I would have preferred them not to have unprotected sex at age 15, you know, a choice.

8/18/2015 10:53:07 PM

Look, 15 year olds are going to do it regardless if they're white, black, brown, yellow. If you abstained from sex until you were married, that's noble of you, but if not, you can't really comment on bastards. Anybody can have an accident.

8/18/2015 10:56:13 PM

My 22 year old cousin got knocked up by her 17 year old boy friend a few months ago.

8/18/2015 11:06:09 PM

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"No. I would have preferred them not to have unprotected sex at age 15, you know, a choice."

may wanna read up on how awful sex education is in a majority of the country

especially in rural areas

8/18/2015 11:08:32 PM

yeah and the fact that Republicans want to defund Planned Parenthood and prevent women from having access to birth control

[Edited on August 18, 2015 at 11:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2015 11:12:10 PM

May Jesus block your cock for if he does not you will burn in hell for eternity.

8/18/2015 11:16:59 PM

I'll tell you kids whats really "cool"... going BALLS DEEP in the Bible.

8/18/2015 11:21:45 PM

^^^That's bullshit propaganda. You can go to any county health department and get the same birth control for free or really cheap.

8/18/2015 11:28:28 PM

you may want to tone down the accusations of propaganda if you're gonna throw shit like this out there:

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"Because she chose not to make you into $$ for planned parenthood"

[Edited on August 18, 2015 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

8/18/2015 11:47:17 PM

no, bullshit propaganda was this:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/07/15/shock-video-planned-parenthood-sells-dead-baby-body-parts.html

8/18/2015 11:47:57 PM

^^^ I'd bet that's not true in large areas of the country.

And why would conservatives say "you can just go to your local health dept (a literal gov run health agency btw)!"?

Why is forcing people onto government systems preferable to a private agency? Isn't the whole basis of Conservative thought that we don't need gov. public assistance, because private groups can do the same thing with donations etc.?

Abortions are legal, it doesn't even make sense that tax dollars can't pay for abortions, this is just a political compromise meant to appease conservatives-- but even this isn't enough.

I wonder too what other health systems do abortion? It can't just be PP, i bet they serve the role of taking all the flak so other clinics don't have to deal with it.

I don't blame conservatives for fighting against abortion, but the level of hatred of planned parenthood is completely out of whack-- it's just a wedge right-wing politicians use to manipulate voters, and it's clearly working.

[Edited on August 19, 2015 at 12:10 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2015 11:53:17 PM

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" Republican as anybody"

I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not Republican at all.

You story was so heart warming. We should make bigger welfare checks for all single mother African American women.


BTW can someone explain why the PP aborted fetus tissue thing is such a big deal? Why is abortion extra evil when the anti-christ abortioners use the fetus for research/stem-cells/etc as part of the advancement of medicine.

8/19/2015 12:09:25 AM

the narrative they're trying to spin is that PP funds ORGAN HARVESTING OF UNBORN BABIES!!!1

8/19/2015 12:19:55 AM

Oh noz!!!! Lolz

Christian conservatives and their undying love of unborn fetuses

8/19/2015 1:50:19 AM

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"But all of that is dependent on the mother's choice to have a child that she can't support."

exactly. the mother chooses, and the child is the one who pays. and in that story, the mother seems like a really good person. what about the 100s of thousands who aren't that fortunate, and are born to mothers who don't care, who'd rather have a a nice car instead of buying clothes for the kid, who are addicted to drugs, who die early... a lot of those kids are going to have an even tougher time "pulling themselves up by their their boot straps". Yeah, it's the mother's choice to have unprotected sex, to have the baby, and to not be a decent mother... and the child, who had no choice in the matter, suffers because of it.

8/19/2015 9:23:48 AM

Nobody is disagreeing that the child gets screwed in that example. The root cause though, was a choice (the mothers).

So if we look at a point from a previous page (this is regarding escaping poverty, not a racial wealth gap btw):

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""So going back to my original point, why are blacks disproportionately struggling to get out of being poor?""

One side says it is because society is racist.

I say it is because of poor choices* (in this case, the mothers).

*The poor choices, usually a result of hopelessness that results from the cycle of poverty that was started by racism 50 years ago. Then the "hood culture" that developed embracing poor decisions and shunning smart ones.

[Edited on August 19, 2015 at 10:22 AM. Reason : *]

8/19/2015 10:18:14 AM

Well, in a lot of yours and other's criticism, you seem to blame the kids for the mothers' poor choices... and it's those kids that unfortunately go on to perpetuate the cycle. you can blame them once they become adults, but unless you grew up in that situation, it's apparently hard to understand how difficult it is to make "good" choices after you were surrounded by poor choices since the day you were conceived.

8/19/2015 10:26:55 AM

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"The root cause though, was a choice (the mothers)."

you say this as if there was no cause for the bad choice

when we know that things like sex-ed is essentially non-existent, especially in low-income areas

you love to say "it's not a race issue, it's a wealth issue", except you conveniently leave that out whenever you throw out your favorite term, "hood culture"

8/19/2015 10:42:14 AM

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"he mother chooses, and the child is the one who pays. and in that story, the mother seems like a really good person. what about the 100s of thousands who aren't that fortunate, and are born to mothers who don't care, who'd rather have a a nice car instead of buying clothes for the kid, who are addicted to drugs, who die early... a lot of those kids are going to have an even tougher time "pulling themselves up by their their boot straps"."

Yes I get it, many children are born into the "circle of poverty" which makes it easy to get stuck and in some cases very difficult to escape. What do you propose we do to change this?

This sob story could be told for countless Caucasian Americans (white trash), Hispanic, [insert preferred race here] families. This isn't just a African American issue. I don't think anyone here denies that there needs to be reforms to the criminal justice system, eliminating the school-to-prison pipeline, and reducing police brutality. Either way when you fully embrace looking and acting the part of hood culture (sure i love rap music too but i pull my pants up) you aren't exactly helping yourself get ahead (i see plenty of white people here in OR that look "hood"). Even if you are the "whitest" of black kids, have a 4.0 GPA and present yourself like Obama; if your mom names you Jamal/Tyrone/etc there is a chance that this could negatively impact you. I don't see how you eliminate the potential bias against names. This is human nature and many times i'm sure subconscious versus a a concrete thought to not bring in the African-American sounding candidate for an interview. Hell with 4 equal candidates and only the time slots to interview 2, i'd probably subconsciously discriminate against the one named Karen/etc due to a bitch ex-girlfriend.

How do you eliminate this? Get robots to picks the resume's? I just don't believe that in any modern city in 2015; there is an on-going conspiracy to hold African Americans down and I see way to many programs specifically designed to help get minorities to succeed.

[Edited on August 19, 2015 at 10:58 AM. Reason : a]

8/19/2015 10:57:33 AM

Well we're almost there.

8/19/2015 11:21:34 AM

Classic knuckledragger post:

"Nobody denies that X is going on, but Y is truly the problem"

8/19/2015 11:34:12 AM

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"you say this as if there was no cause for the bad choice"

It doesn't work that way. The bad choice is the cause. People are accountable for their actions no matter what color their skin is. I guess if you really want to blame society you can take a determinist view to defend "victims" who are victimizing themselves. Uncle Sam isn't holding a gun to your head saying "drop out of school, don't raise your kids, get pregnant at 15".

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"you love to say "it's not a race issue, it's a wealth issue", "

Because it is the truth.

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"except you conveniently leave that out whenever you throw out your favorite term, "hood culture""

Hood culture is born out of poverty, not out of being black.

8/19/2015 12:08:44 PM

why would you quote nearly my entire post without including a pretty key argument?

I mean I know why. it's just pretty funny.

8/19/2015 12:24:06 PM

i like to fly around the sky by lifting on my own boot straps

8/19/2015 12:33:14 PM

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"when we know that things like sex-ed is essentially non-existent, especially in low-income areas"

Sex-Ed is in public schools, public schools are free. Pretty weak for a "key argument"

Regardless, "sex-ed" should come from parents, so if a parent chooses to not teach their kid, that isn't societies fault, or the government's fault, or a white privilege, its a poor choice.

8/19/2015 1:05:38 PM

there is no standard for sex-ed, meaning it's different from district-to-district, and in some cases, school-to-school

and you sure are trusting of every parents ability to teach their children about a difficult subject

I'm going to assume that you are a big proponent of home schooling?

[Edited on August 19, 2015 at 1:14 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2015 1:13:35 PM

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"and you sure are trusting of every parents ability to teach their children about a difficult subject"

I guess I had "good parent privilege".

Whereas if my parents chose to leave me as an orphan, I could blame society for causing them to do that, because they happen to be minorities which are infallible victims being oppressed by their own decisions.

8/19/2015 1:31:41 PM

scramble on

8/19/2015 1:34:55 PM

If I scramble, it isn't because I choose to, it is because racist society caused me to.

#thegoodlife3Logic

8/19/2015 1:38:09 PM

speaking of education, read this article based on a great segment from NPR's "This American Life."

http://www.propublica.org/article/ferguson-school-segregation

http://www.slate.com/blogs/schooled/2015/08/04/normandy_school_district_segregation_why_it_s_the_other_racist_tragedy_in.html

The single most effective practice that improved underachieving minority scores was school integration. The reason boiled down the better infrastructure, teachers, and programs at majority white schools.

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"Hannah-Jones says that, between 1971, when the country really started making formal efforts to desegregate schools, and 1988, when these efforts peaked, the achievement gap between black and white students in reading went from 39 points to 18. But alas, in the years since 1988, we decided that integration failed and allowed schools to resegregate. Just like that, the achievement gap started to widen again."

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"“What integration does is it gets black kids in the same facilities as white kids, and therefore it gets them access to the same kinds of things those kids get: access to quality teachers and quality instruction.”"

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"“American schools are disturbingly racially segregated, period,” Catherine Lhamon, head of the U.S. Education Department’s civil rights office, said in an October speech. “We are reserving our expectations for our highest rigor level of courses, the courses we know our kids need to be able to be full and productive members of society, but we are reserving them for a class of kids who are white and who are wealthier.”"

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"According to data compiled by the Education Department, black and Latino children are the least likely to be taught by a qualified, experienced teacher, to get access to courses such as chemistry and calculus, and to have access to technology."

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"Throughout the region, the educational divide between black children and white children is stark. In St. Louis County, 44 percent of black children attend schools in districts the state says perform so poorly that it has stripped them of full accreditation. Just 4 percent of white students do."

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"“We are failing to properly educate the black child,” said Michael Jones, vice president of the Missouri State Board of Education. “Individually, any one person can overcome anything. But we’ve got masses of children with bad starts in life. They can’t win. We ought to be ashamed of that.”"

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"But black families had less freedom to simply move away to better school districts than even their poorer white neighbors. Housing discrimination continues to keep black families out of communities with quality schools, according to a 2013 St. Louis housing study."

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"The state’s 2014 assessment report on Normandy’s schools was spectacularly bleak: Zero points awarded for academic achievement in English. Zero for math, for social studies, for science. Zero for students headed to college. Zero for attendance. Zero for the percent of students who graduate. Its total score: 10 out of 140."

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"Decades of research show that segregated, high-poverty schools are simply toxic for students of all races and backgrounds. Just last month, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill released a study showing that black first-graders in segregated schools performed worse than black students with the same backgrounds (meaning poverty, parental education and other factors) who attend integrated schools"

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"Students who spend their careers in segregated schools can look forward to a life on the margins, according to a 2014 study on the long-term impacts of school desegregation by University of California, Berkeley economist Rucker Johnson. They are more likely to be poor. They are more likely to go to jail. They are less likely to graduate from high school, to go to college, and to finish if they go. They are more likely to live in segregated neighborhoods as adults."

But please continue to tell me how black kids just make stupid choices which keeps them down in poverty. I mean they have all of the same opportunities as white kids, right? Why are they still poor?!?!?!?!

8/19/2015 1:53:56 PM

Guys, this thread was supposed to become a celebration of my trace blackness.

Only four percent of white people who have their DNA analyzed come back with African ancestry. I got specifically West African ancestry, and we all know what that means--I'm likely related to someone who survived the Middle Passage.

Basically, I'm better than 96% of white people.

And I think we should have a party for it.

8/19/2015 11:26:18 PM

My relatives survived the potato famine.

8/19/2015 11:30:10 PM

The potato famine affected most of Northern Europe. And, genetically, it looks like Irish/Scottish/British are largely indistinct.

So I'm claiming Scottish.

Cause we're the best.

8/19/2015 11:37:57 PM

I've always wanted to bang a black chick.

[Edited on August 19, 2015 at 11:50 PM. Reason : Also my phone just autocorrected chick to cock ]

8/19/2015 11:49:14 PM

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"cording to data compiled by the Education Department, black and Latino children are the least likely to be taught by a qualified, experienced teacher, to get access to courses such as chemistry and calculus, and to have access to technology.""

I would enjoy a TWWer that has taught at a inner city school to share their experiences. I'm sure all the students come in bright eyed eager to take advantage of the American education system.

8/20/2015 1:25:00 AM

Data confounds the knuckle-dragger.

8/20/2015 1:31:54 AM

^^ lololoolllllllzzzzzz

8/20/2015 7:02:09 AM

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"The single most effective practice that improved underachieving minority scores was school integration. The reason boiled down the better infrastructure, teachers, and programs at majority white schools. "

Not surprising, if you take poor students out of the toxic self-destructive hood culture environment I'm sure it would help them.

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"But please continue to tell me how black kids just make stupid choices which keeps them down in poverty."

I will always point out the choices when liberals start the victimizing blame-game, because choices are much more relevant than what the "oppressive racist government/society does."

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"I mean they have all of the same opportunities as white kids, right? Why are they still poor?!?!?!?!"

White kids have the same opportunities as Asians, right? Why are Asians more wealthy?!?!?!?!?!?

Maybe their skin color gives them a privilege? #LiberalLogic

Or does a factor like "Family structure", that directly correlates with wealth, have something to do with it?

It is almost as if factors that have nothing to do with skin color directly influence wealth! And these factors are all determined by choice.

I agree that historic racism caused a huge wealth gap and that there are steps the government should take to correct it present-day, but I also believe people are responsible for their choices and decisions present-day, even if they are black and born poor.

I think encouraging the "I'm a victim in a white man's world" liberal-blame-game is detrimental to minority success and their outlook on life.

8/28/2015 8:38:00 PM

HUR

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"I would enjoy a TWWer that has taught at a inner city school to share their experiences. I'm sure all the students come in bright eyed eager to take advantage of the American education system."

I taught at a 87% free and reduced lunch, Title 1, 65% African American, 20% Latino, 15% Caucasian and Asian middle school. We had 42 students who were homeless as counted by the school district.

I say taught, as it is the only job I have ever quit without something else lined up. I quit because of the abysmal and nepotistic administration.

If you don't remember, middle school is grades 6-8, and the usual ages are 10-13.
13 year old girl threatened to kick my ass, then haver her dad do the same because I took her cell phone. She was talking on it during class.
3 MS13 kids (11-14yo) repeatedly threatened me, was told to leave them alone for my own safety. One of them has been deported, and another is currently a fugitive, with multiple warrants for sexual assault.
I had a student who occasionally drove himself to school. I had three students who were 16yo.
I had a 15yo who was high as a kite tell me to get out of his face before he made me.
I had one 13yo girl who I could not get to do any work. She was regularly suspended for fighting, or having sex.... We had a parent teacher conference, and the mother told me "I can't get her to do your work, I can't even get her to do anything at home." I found out later that they smoke weed together...

A significant percentage of my students were absolutely wonderful. A significant percentage of my students also came to school so they could have their only two meals of the day. They were not mutually exclusive.

I have tons and tons of negative experiences from the 7 months I spent in that classroom, and unfortunately very few positive ones.

8/28/2015 9:01:08 PM

Pampers is racist.

They got these white babies waddling around in saggy diapers who can barely move. Fortunately, their diapers don't sag, and three out of four of the Pampered babies with the amazing dance moves are black.

It starts from birth, people.

8/30/2015 3:11:56 PM

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"I would enjoy a TWWer that has taught at a inner city school to share their experiences. I'm sure all the students come in bright eyed eager to take advantage of the American education system."

I'm not a teacher and I didn't go to an inner city school, but the rural NC school I attended was 90% black. They couldn't retain good teachers unless they had ties to the area, and the funding for the school was atrocious. As such, the math and science programs were severely lacking compared to what I heard from other NCSU students when I went to college.

We had plenty of kids that didn't give a shit about getting an education and plenty of kids that wanted to make the most of themselves. Race didn't seem to determine who cared and who didn't, but blacks did seem more likely to drop out. The exception was black students who were extremely poor/homeless; they would attend as long as they could for the 2 meals a day. That's just anecdotal evidence, so take that for what it's worth.

8/30/2015 8:40:05 PM

MaximaDrvr and Eleusis are just racist AM I RITE synapse

8/30/2015 8:50:00 PM

^ huh? nothing they said was racist...

8/30/2015 9:53:40 PM

Dude is incredibly stupid and wildly socially awkward.

It's best not to pay him or his posts any serious attention.

8/30/2015 11:29:30 PM

what was her name, HUR

the girl who left you

for one of them

8/31/2015 7:53:35 AM

does this HUR guy think those anecdotes support his views? Really?

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"I'm not a teacher and I didn't go to an inner city school, but the rural NC school I attended was 90% black. They couldn't retain good teachers unless they had ties to the area, and the funding for the school was atrocious. As such, the math and science programs were severely lacking compared to what I heard from other NCSU students when I went to college."

What do you take away from that, HUR?

[Edited on August 31, 2015 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

8/31/2015 1:31:55 PM