Should also dismantle the idea of police with guns being a good idea, amirite

8/4/2019 2:02:03 AM

fuck man, another one up in Ohio now.

8/4/2019 5:17:24 AM

Nine people killed in one minute, fuck

8/4/2019 8:00:36 AM

fuck, man. Somethings gotta change.

8/4/2019 8:14:12 AM

we are way past gun control here. even if you banned everything except "grandpappys old shootin iron" tomorrow it wouldnt make a difference with the insane amount of militaryesque crap in circulation. these freaks can still just get whatever they want on armslist privately with no check whatsoever and the government is too incompetent to crack down on a meaningful number of sellers.

the media needs to realize theyre giving these guys exactly the supervillian treatment they crave and places like the "chans" need to be shutdown like stormfront. sure they can make new pages but it isnt the endless whackamole that guns are (see Gab).

[Edited on August 4, 2019 at 8:20 AM. Reason : shit. stormfront is back? wtf]

8/4/2019 8:19:19 AM

Is America great again yet?

8/4/2019 8:26:57 AM

Everyone please be specific with your comments so that we know exactly which mass shooting of the last 24 hours you are referring to

8/4/2019 8:45:12 AM

Remember, you can’t politicize this. You have to wait an appropriate, yet undefined amount of time before making this political. And by that time there will have been another mass shooting so you’ll have to reset the clock on how long before you can attempt to take legal and bureaucratic measures to prevent future instances of this.

At this point, thoughts/prayers will have to suffice.

[Edited on August 4, 2019 at 9:10 AM. Reason : G]

8/4/2019 9:08:12 AM

Thoughts and prayers.

8/4/2019 9:37:26 AM

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"the media needs to realize theyre giving these guys exactly the supervillian treatment they crave and places like the "chans" need to be shutdown like stormfront. sure they can make new pages but it isnt the endless whackamole that guns are (see Gab)."

i agree the big time media outlets shouldnt give the name or motive to a shooting, there's no way to stop problematic speech online

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" a browser extension called Dissenter. The plugin, available on most web browsers, allows anyone to comment on any webpage on the internet—and to see the comments left by other Dissenter users. Without having the plugin installed, the comments are invisible. Dissenter acts as a workaround for people wishing to comment on websites, even those without a comment section. One user, Cody Jassman, describe the plugin as “like the graffiti painted in the alley on every web page. You can take a look around and see what passersby are saying.”"

[Edited on August 4, 2019 at 11:42 AM. Reason : g]

8/4/2019 11:36:59 AM

keeping the shooters name and motives silent is the dumbest shit I hear during these convos.

“Hey guys, some person murdered 19 people. Let’s not talk about who he was or why he did it”

Great idea guys.

8/4/2019 12:03:56 PM

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"the media needs to realize theyre giving these guys exactly the supervillian treatment they crave and places like the "chans" need to be shutdown like stormfront. sure they can make new pages but it isnt the endless whackamole that guns are (see Gab)."

This! We'll hear about these events for weeks now. That only puts the idea in the heads of the crazies to go shoot up a place. They just said on ABC that the FBI has seen an increase in mass shootings since 2000.

Myspace 2003
Facebook 2004
YouTube 2005
twitter 2006
Instagram 2010

Not only do we have more 24 hour news networks than we had in the pre-2000's, we now have social media to help spread the news 24/7. I'm not blaming the internet, but it doesn't help. The press is just waiting for another plane to run through a high rise, so they can cover it. People love to rubberneck and see news coverage of a tragedy. If they take the news coverage away then there will maybe be less shootings.

8/4/2019 12:08:12 PM

^^youre wrong because

8/4/2019 12:22:28 PM

It’s funny how Tucker Carson, some members of Congress, Donald Trump, and terrorists all use the language of invasion by immigrants in America, and we still see people questioning and in disbelief why these attacks are on the rise— the radical cleric is in the Whitehouse.

Democrats need to be careful too, if people see political action as ineffective in eliminating trumpism this could cause violence.

So far I haven’t seen any republicans talking about standing with immigrants being targeted for attack, some are even painting this as a random act of violence disconnected from everything else.

The fact our government can’t admit the ideological nexus between these attacks and frame it the same way we framed islamists attacks is exactly what white supremacy is.

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"July 28 Gilroy: 3 dead, 12 injured August 3 El Paso: 20 dead, 26 injured August 4 Dayton: 9 dead, 16 injured If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now."

https://twitter.com/amaramarasingam/status/1157965687744290816?s=21

8/4/2019 12:47:32 PM

^^^^nobody said that. its the way theyre being reported thats that problem. thats why i clarified they crave the supervillian treatment.

cover them like any other heinous crime. dont turn it into a broadway musical. pretty simple to understand.

8/4/2019 12:52:26 PM

It’s funny how Tucker Carson, some members of Congress, Donald Trump, and terrorists all use the language of invasion by immigrants in America, and we still see people questioning and in disbelief why these attacks are on the rise— the radical cleric is in the Whitehouse.

Democrats need to be careful too, if people see political action as ineffective in eliminating trumpism this could cause violence.

So far I haven’t seen any republicans talking about standing with immigrants being targeted for attack, some are even painting this as a random act of violence disconnected from everything else.

The fact our government can’t admit the ideological nexus between these attacks and frame it the same way we framed islamists attacks is exactly what white supremacy is.

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"July 28 Gilroy: 3 dead, 12 injured August 3 El Paso: 20 dead, 26 injured August 4 Dayton: 9 dead, 16 injured If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now."

https://twitter.com/amaramarasingam/status/1157965687744290816?s=21

8/4/2019 12:56:48 PM

yes im sure by page 14 we have established that its abhorrent to treat one kind of terrorist any different than other kinds of terrorists.

they should all be exterminated and their enablers jailed for life.

8/4/2019 1:05:52 PM

Dayton Ohio hasn’t been confirmed as ideological motivated but it has all the markers

Could be an Incel attacker

8/4/2019 1:16:41 PM

“Dayton deputy police chief just read the names and demographics of the 9 victims killed. 6 of the 9 killed were African-American.“

One of the victims was the shooters sister too

I’m thinking his sister was seeing a black guy and he took it out on all of them.

8/4/2019 1:44:59 PM

is there other reporting on that motive or did you just decide that based on those 2 things?

8/4/2019 3:35:28 PM

^, ^^

Yeah I'm not saying you're wrong...but that could easily just be demographic. Go shoot up a place in a black neighborhood, and guess what, you're likely to mostly shoot black people.

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" If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now.""

Were all those anti-immigrant? Innocent question--I've been super busy for the last week and a half, working long days...plus my AV receiver died, so I haven't had TV.


To your greater point, yes...half the country or more is loathe to define these motherfuckers as terrorists, even in cases when it's not even grey area.

8/4/2019 4:21:32 PM

^ first 2 seems to be anti-immigrant with the 2nd having a clear manifesto

Dayton is still unknown

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"UPDATE: Two law enforcement officials say the sister of Connor Betts -- the suspect in the Dayton shooting -- has been found dead in a car along wthe body of her boyfriend. Both were shot. Authorities are now working to see how this fits in with the shooting at the bar. @NBCNews"

8/4/2019 4:56:19 PM

moron you might want to back off jumping to conclusions for awhile moron.

[Edited on August 4, 2019 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/4/2019 5:15:58 PM

^ it’s a message board it exists for people to jump to conclusions

But also I’m not really jumping to any conclusions

8/4/2019 5:26:42 PM

[Edited on August 4, 2019 at 9:10 PM. Reason : ]

8/4/2019 9:09:42 PM

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/7-wounded-in-shooting-near-chicago-playground

8/4/2019 9:50:51 PM

it appears that the ohio shooter killed his sister, along with 8 others.

8/4/2019 10:22:12 PM

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"I’m not really jumping to any conclusions"

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"Could be an Incel attacker"

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"I’m thinking his sister was seeing a black guy and he took it out on all of them."

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"it appears that the ohio shooter killed his sister"

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"first 2 seems to be anti-immigrant "

I think we're past "appears" and "seems to be" on those two points.

8/4/2019 10:39:43 PM

https://twitter.com/wechoosewisdom/status/1158149231301025792?s=21

So looking like the Dayton shooter was a crazy person. The timing seems odd but he was kicked out of school for a bomb threat, made violent threats to a girl that rejected him, and had a rape list and a kill list.

8/5/2019 12:41:09 AM

I'm not very familiar with how legitimate of a news source heavy.com is, but the description in the link below doesn't seem to match the descriptions provided in the post above.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

I also find it odd that he would tweet in support of gun-control after previous mass shootings and then later go on his own shooting spree.


By the way, Sebastian Gorka is suggesting that the El Paso shooter was a leftist, too.

https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1158040599351701516

[Edited on August 5, 2019 at 10:26 AM. Reason : ]

8/5/2019 9:57:40 AM

Of course Gorka would suggest that. He is basically a fascist.

8/5/2019 10:26:26 AM

He is basically a fascist.

8/5/2019 10:29:24 AM

^^^ how is that at odds?

He was a democrat but also angry and misogynistic in his personal life, that's not that uncommon probably considering half the country votes democrat.

Seems like his killing spree was for personal reasons not ideological ones. I suppose he could have assumed a country western bar in dayton would have been filled with republicans but I don't know enough about dayton to say if this is a reasonable assumption.

8/5/2019 11:12:41 AM

https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-gop-mass-shootings-trans-people-gay-marriage-142516116.html

8/5/2019 11:18:32 AM

^^ I may have misinterpreted the Ben Seitz screenshot in your link to mean that he was known to have had access to guns when he was in high school, which didn't seem to match his tweets that were supportive of gun control. However, that screenshot may have just been referencing his recent access to guns prior to the shooting.

I still find his tweets in support of gun control and his willingness to go on a killing spree with a gun rather bizarre.

8/5/2019 11:56:08 AM

I get your point, but plenty of gun-owners support more gun control.

[Edited on August 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM. Reason : of course, most gun-control supporters wouldn't think of going on a shooting spree]

8/5/2019 11:59:04 AM

^^ I see. Yeah there does seem to be a disconnect somewhere.

8/5/2019 12:58:20 PM

55 people were shot in Chicago this past weekend, which makes about 1600 for the year. I don't recall seeing much publicity though.

8/5/2019 10:30:09 PM

^ Violence/murders/terrorism matters only for certain combinations of the attacker-victim race/religion/skin color. Not just in the US, but worldwide.

Sorry if that is phrased awkwardly, but I think it is clear what I mean.

8/6/2019 1:27:08 AM

^^ 4 people where shot in Brooklyn yesterday and it’s already out of the local news cycle. Doubt it even graced the national news. The majority of people do not care about gang violence in poor neighborhoods.

8/6/2019 7:02:20 AM

Crime exists elsewhere, might as well not do anything about events like these. While we're on this uneducated point of view, might as well leave abortion, civil rights, human rights, etc. off the table as well. Oh yeh, and bathroom rights.

8/6/2019 8:29:31 AM

Good news is the Chicago solution set and the "mass shooting" solution set aren't identical but they share a large number of actions, such as reducing gun population.

8/6/2019 8:42:45 AM

^^ first people need to actually care about poor neighborhoods and their infrastructure. Fighting gun violence or drug use without addressing the root cause is pointless.

8/6/2019 9:42:00 AM

the thousands of gun violence deaths that you don't see in the news is more reason for gun control, not less

8/6/2019 9:46:12 AM

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"first people need to actually care about poor neighborhoods and their infrastructure. Fighting gun violence or drug use without addressing the root cause is pointless."

you can stop with the false notion that people don't care about other gun violence. it's false and used only to distract from the debate.

8/6/2019 9:53:31 AM

also there's a huge overlap of people who want to fix those things and people who want gun control

8/6/2019 10:05:21 AM

I want more gun control, I’d like it to be regulated like owning and driving a vehicle with enforced insurance and excessive registration.

But saying that the majority of gun violence is ignored by the majority of the population Is not “distracting” from the debate. Saying it distracts from the debate is awfully distracting tho.

8/6/2019 11:31:25 AM

The newest argument i heard on bullshit 24 hour news networks:

Cops responded within a minute, and the killer was still able to kill 9 people. Stop the weapons of war


This is targeted at stopping assault rifles.

Asian kid at VT killed ~30 with handguns tho right?



Second amendment is pointless in this day and age. we have the power to undo amendments, nahmean.

8/6/2019 11:33:15 AM

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"55 people were shot in Chicago this past weekend, which makes about 1600 for the year. I don't recall seeing much publicity though."

and...? what's your point? what would you like to see done about it? how does that factor in on your opinion of the gun control debate?

8/6/2019 11:33:33 AM

^^^it's intended as a distraction by people arguing in bad faith, but it can be neutralized as a distraction by simply saying yes let's solve that gun crime too

[Edited on August 6, 2019 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

8/6/2019 11:34:33 AM