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11/20/2006 3:48:27 PM

I had been debating just calling, but decided against it against 3 people.

11/20/2006 3:49:06 PM

It just seems so hard to make a profit at low limit online games.

11/20/2006 5:18:12 PM

Gotta grind it out...Wait for sets, etc....Or you could play MTT's and just wait for a big score.

11/20/2006 5:28:29 PM

online sucks

11/20/2006 6:35:06 PM

you suck.

11/20/2006 6:53:14 PM

I WANT TO STAY INDOORS, GET CARPEL TUNNEL AND GO BLIND

TEH INTARWEB PKER IZ 4 ME!

11/20/2006 7:31:59 PM

hahaha

11/20/2006 7:33:54 PM

i dont know about you, but after playing live i feel like ill get more carpal tunnel doing that than online.


i mean, after 12 hours+ of chip shuffling my wrists feel like ive been beating it nonstop for days.

11/20/2006 7:37:35 PM

you beat it non stop either way.

11/20/2006 7:45:22 PM

this may also be true.

11/20/2006 7:48:29 PM

AHA

11/20/2006 7:58:00 PM

Nuts in your face...

Nuts in your face...

11/20/2006 8:41:51 PM

Could I have played this better. Emphasis on Pilgrim's opinion, because I'm playing limit here.

Just recently sat down, so no real reads on anyone.

I'm UTG (6 handed) with A-A
I raise
2 calls
SB re-raises
BB folds
I 3-bet
3 calls

Flop Kc-Jd-8d
SB checks
I bet
All 3 call

Turn Qs
SB Checks
I bet
2 folds
SB Raises
Fearing a sleeper set, I call

River 3d
SB bet
I call

__

He flips over Q-Q. Should I have gotten out on the river or is it worth a try since its only 1 BB? Should I have raised the turn?

11/20/2006 8:59:42 PM

yay limit time.

so, for the sake of the argument, lets assume that the opponent has a range as wide as mine in this situation, and ill give the range that ill call from the sb with in a sh limit game with that many callers. in order for this range to be profitable, i have to be up against at least one other loose player who has shown the willingness to pay off a bigger hand.

this range will be AA-77, AKo-ATo, AK-ATs, 78s-KQs 0 gappers, 79-KJs 1 gappers.

so with this flop and turn, your value against this range is

Quote :

" Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 27,984 games 0.010 secs 2,798,400 games/sec Board: Kc Jd 8d Qs Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 58.6728 % 57.18% 01.49% { AA } Hand 2: 41.3272 % 39.84% 01.49% { 77+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, ATo+, KQo, QJo } "

the way i see it, due to the action, a raise may be slightly profitable, but is not correct. calling the raise is profitable, alog with a call on the river.

i dont see how a 3 bet on the turn or a raise on the river is best, you are fine.

11/20/2006 11:00:24 PM

oh wait, i fucked that up.

i do it again tommorow, forgot about the 3 bet pre.

meh.

11/20/2006 11:04:08 PM

You so should have pushed all in on the flop, mmmmm 2.50 domestic and 25 cent wings

11/21/2006 12:38:47 AM

David, was that a response to my question about limit? Because I would have looked a bit silly moving all in.

11/21/2006 7:05:10 AM

yes bg, yes it was

11/21/2006 10:02:50 AM

yeah esp. with the threebet, i dont see how you can raise the turn or river.

you have to call down there, and be prepared to lose like 50% of the time.

i didnt post it, but before i left this morn i ranged it with AA-TT, AKs-AQs, and AKo in that spot, and its still like 55/45.




on par with what david is saying, ive started doing that to joke around sometimes.

someone will raise me in a limit game, and ill move 2 stacks out or something, attempting to raise to $200, then acting dumb like i didnt know i couldnt.

only do it with certain dealers whom i like. irritates the old men, but the dealers and i think it's funny. rarely also.


i also pissed off an old man the other day when i didnt even have cards, but knew the dealer wasnt paying much attention, and i threw the chips out for a riase when the action would have been to me. dealer annoucnes raise, the guy next to me calls my raise, ahaha

original bettor is pissed, my raise doesnt stand =(

i thought it was hilarious, so did the floor behind me.

im an ass.

11/21/2006 10:19:46 AM

Remember man, poker isn't about pissing off old guys, it's about impressing asians...

11/21/2006 11:20:23 AM

thanks for getting me back on track david.

i dont know where i went wrong


[going home for a bit, then to meet some friends from miami at the borg, then napping then driving home to nc tommorrow, woot]

11/21/2006 4:58:24 PM

11/21/2006 5:01:06 PM

Quote :

"i thought it was hilarious, so did the floor behind me."

I'm surprised the floor didn't get pissed. This must have been at like 3 am or something. Most floors wouldn't be happy at you inducing action.

11/21/2006 5:27:53 PM

How you gonna race....

11/21/2006 11:38:23 PM

any games tonight?

11/22/2006 3:57:10 PM

turner is coming by the game tonight if anyone wants to stop in and say hi.

11/22/2006 5:36:42 PM

sweet

i'll be there after the company soccer game

11/22/2006 5:59:01 PM

Best game ever was tonight.

11/23/2006 1:39:34 AM

yeah, good times

11/23/2006 1:42:38 AM

Turner- I thought you said you were favored in this hand?

Result

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2197314
pokenum -h as ac - 8s 4s -- ks 4h 6s
H
oldem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ks 6s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 542 54.75 448 45.25 0 0.00 0.547
8s 4s 448 45.25 542 54.75 0 0.00 0.453

11/23/2006 1:47:20 AM

The other guy is def favored if he has A of spades, otherwise close to a coinflip

11/23/2006 2:15:27 AM

pokenum -h ah ac - 8s 4s -- ks 4h 6s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ks 6s 4h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ah 488 49.29 502 50.71 0 0.00 0.493
8s 4s 502 50.71 488 49.29 0 0.00 0.507

11/23/2006 2:19:05 AM

Ahhh. Bingo.

11/23/2006 2:21:01 AM

they are still playing

11/23/2006 3:22:52 AM

You make the call. Replay this hand for me. Tonight at a 1/3 game, I limp UTG with AA. UTG +1 raises to $15. 6 callers for $15. I raise it up to $58 to go. One guy is hesitating the call, but eventually calls. Everyone else folds. There is roughly $150 in the pot, and I have about $100-$110 behind me.

Flop is K K 5

We both check.

Turn is a 6.

I bet out $30. Guy puts me all in.

Whats our play?

11/25/2006 2:38:25 AM

Hishhhhhhhhhhh,

There is $200+ in the pot and you have about $70 left, so a total pot of $340.

Fucking call!

Even if he has a king, you can work your David Blaine street magic(tm) and summon an ace on the river.

11/25/2006 2:50:16 AM

stupid poker....

7 9 offsuit... stack is 17 bet is 5

push all in... one caller one folds....he turns over pocket q's

turn j 10 2

flop 6

river





it doesnt matter

11/25/2006 4:06:24 AM

thats a good all in hand

11/25/2006 9:16:14 AM

Quote :

"Flop is K K 5 We both check."

11/25/2006 10:36:59 AM

I ended up calling.

The guy flipped over K10. I was shocked.

I kept going off on the guy until turner and karim finally calmed me down.

11/25/2006 10:42:49 AM

Damn, I would have put him on pocket fives

11/25/2006 10:50:23 AM

PS- Who is DSI?

And I wish I had David Blaine street magic.

11/25/2006 10:58:03 AM

I think it stands for Dirty South Improv. Greg Brainos was a member, but I'm not 100% sure that is his screen name. He's known for such hits as "Monster in a Wheelchair" and "Chinese Army". He used to play with us years ago when Turner and I just started out.

11/25/2006 11:19:51 AM

Quote :

"I limp UTG with AA."

11/25/2006 11:39:45 AM

^ Justin, Even if I would have made it $15, 6 people would have called, which is why I limped, trying to pick up the pot there, or isolate one person.

11/25/2006 11:44:59 AM

I know, much worse play by him calling your transparent raise. I just constantly see every noob move in the book when you post hand histories. It's an alarming pattern.

11/25/2006 12:05:52 PM

Yeah, it's transparent as fuck, but you'll always get some retard to call you who can't lay down their overpair/top pair. Next time there is just one K on the flop, the guy will lose he whole stack.

11/25/2006 12:42:09 PM

personally i probably would've raised harder pre-flop. you got six callers to a standard raise, with a-a i'm looking to basically take the pot right there, or get my money in when i still have the best of it. I'm actually really surprised you had only one caller of that raises despite having 6 callers to a raise of more than 1/4th that. I would've raised at least 60%more, but I probably would've gone all in right there.

Although I'm really a limit player, so i pretty much suck at that kind of timing, and everyone will probably say I'm wrong. But for me I'd rather take that pot right there. I feel much more comfortable playing a huge pot with a creative hand, not a rock.


and btw limp raising with aces is sooooooooo obvious (i like to do it with a-k occasionally though, only a-ks in limit).

[Edited on November 26, 2006 at 9:12 PM. Reason : sddf]

11/26/2006 9:09:00 PM

yo kid, you still up in the city?

11/26/2006 9:39:10 PM