he has been ranked 11 for like 2 months now. been in the top 20 for 3-4 months. ask him.

12/16/2006 1:59:23 PM

I know he has been ranked, that is why I checked and looked for him. Show me where someone posted that he was 11th.

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 2:04 PM. Reason : 11th.]

12/16/2006 2:04:12 PM

Quote :

"Show me where someone posted that he was 11th."

Quote :

"Turner is the 11th ranked online player according to P5"

12/16/2006 2:51:17 PM

yall are faggin' up the place

12/16/2006 2:55:35 PM

He started off in the 80's. After a number of months he worked his way down to the 30's, I believe. Then they changed their scoring system to be less subjective and I'm pretty sure he debuted at #10 and has stayed in that neighorhood for the past month or two.


Now quit being ghey and argumentative.


^yeah, exactly.. lol





[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 3:00 PM. Reason : ^]

12/16/2006 2:58:39 PM

just tired of all this [old] shit. If no one else has posted it, then I fucking can. I am sorry I do not have endless amounts of time to scour every fucking webpage to make sure I am on the cutting edge of wolf web posting material.

12/16/2006 3:03:04 PM

^^^

12/16/2006 3:05:42 PM

david, I will have my IBM goon ruff you up!

12/16/2006 3:23:44 PM

oh snap, shit just got real

12/16/2006 3:46:09 PM

It's cool. Hish has my back.

12/16/2006 4:07:47 PM

poker? I don't even know her.

12/16/2006 4:14:08 PM

^^ yup. haha. How's life david?

12/16/2006 5:01:29 PM

what a donk

12/16/2006 5:04:58 PM

Quote :

"rOwdychOwdah (5:11:18 PM): what should i do tonight x(5:11:25 PM): im going to get drunk rOwdychOwdah (5:11:37 PM): always fun x (5:11:39 PM): i hookd up with a 42 year old last night rOwdychOwdah (5:11:42 PM): ahahah x (5:11:45 PM): she reminded me of annie duke x (5:11:48 PM): which is why i did it"

12/16/2006 5:12:59 PM

dude thats gotta be hish

12/16/2006 5:43:35 PM

^^^^ Life's good. Two weeks off. Hook up with any Annie Duke look alikes lately?

12/16/2006 6:14:39 PM

Wow, I just BR'd some kid. Was happy with my weekly earnings and decided to take tonight off. But then I got bored and decided to fuck around at some .5/1 HU. Bought in for $100 against the $200 he was sitting with, ended up cashing out $513 and putting him on life tilt. Good times.


Highlights:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?674811
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674815
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674818
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674820
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674822
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674823
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674825
http://www.pokerhand.org/?674827


His last rebuy was for like $32.41 and when I got it(jack high biatch) I typed "busto?" and that really sent him over the ledge. Wish I had saved the chat, it had all the good stuff.

OMFG/RIGGED/BS.. WARE IS RAELIGH, IMMA FUKING KILLZ U!!!!!1


And that's what it's all about boys and girls, making new friends over the intarweb



[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

12/16/2006 7:32:27 PM

It wasnt me. Or however that old shaggy song went.

12/16/2006 7:50:37 PM

jesus christ, i was about to go to a bar and happened to see ozzy 87 on every hs table on ft.

opened up the 300/600 hu table, to se this guy just shit the bed hard core.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1422782034: Table Halbert (heads up) - $300/$600 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:37:57 ET - 2006/12/16 (partial)
*** SHOW DOWN ***
luckyULSA shows two pair, Eights and Threes
Ozzy 87 shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
Ozzy 87 wins the pot ($124,191.50) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
luckyULSA adds $34,131
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $124,192 | Rake $0.50
Board: [6d 8s Ac 3h 3c]
Seat 1: Ozzy 87 (big blind) showed [Ah 6s] and won ($124,191.50) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 2: luckyULSA (small blind) showed [8d 9s] and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes

both all in on the flop.

very next hand.

Full Tilt Poker Game #1422787578: Table Halbert (heads up) - $300/$600 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:38:02 ET - 2006/12/16
Seat 1: Ozzy 87 ($124,191.50)
Seat 2: luckyULSA ($49,131.25)
Ozzy 87 posts the small blind of $300
luckyULSA posts the big blind of $600
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Ozzy 87 raises to $1,800
luckyULSA raises to $5,400
Ozzy 87 raises to $124,191.50, and is all in
luckyULSA calls $43,731.25, and is all in
Ozzy 87 shows [3s 3h]
luckyULSA shows [Ac 7d]
Uncalled bet of $75,060.25 returned to Ozzy 87
*** FLOP *** [5h Kh 2s]
*** TURN *** [5h Kh 2s] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [5h Kh 2s 3d] [7s]
Ozzy 87 shows three of a kind, Threes
luckyULSA shows a pair of Sevens
Ozzy 87 wins the pot ($98,262) with three of a kind, Threes
luckyULSA is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $98,262.50 | Rake $0.50
Board: [5h Kh 2s 3d 7s]
Seat 1: Ozzy 87 (small blind) showed [3s 3h] and won ($98,262) with three of a kind, Threes
Seat 2: luckyULSA (big blind) showed [Ac 7d] and lost with a pair of Sevens

jesus gambol.

Ozzy 87 raises to $1,800
luckyULSA raises to $57,600, and is all inall in preflop.

lawdy.

and obviously at these stakes the rake becomes unbeatable at a HU situation.

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 10:41 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 10:42 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 10:43 PM. Reason : ew]

[Edited on December 16, 2006 at 10:44 PM. Reason : e]

12/16/2006 10:40:16 PM

Quote :

"Total pot $98,262.50 | Rake $0.50"

Looks like it was only $.50. Not that bad in a 98K pot.

12/17/2006 12:04:39 AM

kids these days.. flippin coins for 100k..

12/17/2006 12:42:10 AM

ozzy 87 is one of the top 5 online NL pros

12/18/2006 12:21:28 AM

you dont say?

12/18/2006 12:25:29 PM

ben, me an 2 coworkers are gonna head up to AC the weekend of the 13th

you gonna be around?

12/18/2006 12:31:22 PM

If you mean january, then yeah, it looks like ill be in town.

if you mean february, ill be in colorado, bustin up some powder and bunnies.

12/18/2006 12:50:21 PM

yup january

the 13th is b4 a 3 day weekend i think

12/18/2006 4:43:53 PM

yep.

no threeday weekend for me however. =/

12/18/2006 5:19:34 PM

Thanks for the invite Karim. Looks like David and I will start our own poker crew and visit Ben in AC. Jerk.

12/18/2006 5:51:13 PM

I wanna go

12/18/2006 5:59:59 PM

the more the merrier.

Quote :

"BORGATA ROOM OFFER 01/01/07 02/28/07 "

lemme know quick you fucking ofays

[Edited on December 18, 2006 at 6:13 PM. Reason : e]

12/18/2006 6:08:40 PM

Justin, join our cool poker gang. We can call ourselves the crew.

12/18/2006 6:42:14 PM

^^I'm in dude. I was going to go with the brothers klagii this weekend but it fell through.
^Nah, I'd rather be in karim's group



btw, I am still a heads up soldja:


***** Hand History for Game 204190650 *****
<< [table size: 2]
$1.00/$2.00 NL Texas Hold'em - Mon, Dec 18, 23:30:05 2006
Table TV The Quick and the Dead (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: weaksauce ($443.20)
Seat 2: SMFD ($511.00)
weaksauce posts small blind [$1.00]
SMFD posts big blind [$2.00]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to weaksauce [ Ah Ac ]
weaksauce raises [$7.00]
SMFD calls [$6.00]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c 5h Kh ]
SMFD checks
weaksauce bets [$12.00]
SMFD raises [$36.00]
weaksauce calls [$24.00]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
SMFD bets [$66.00]
weaksauce calls [$66.00]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
SMFD is all-In [$401.00]
weaksauce is all-In [$333.20]
SMFD is refunded uncalled bet $67.80
SMFD shows [ 6h Qh ] a Pair, Fives
SMFD shows [ 6h Qh ] a Pair, Fives
weaksauce shows [ Ah Ac ] Two Pair, Aces and Fives
weaksauce wins $885.40 from main pot



Not an easy call by any stretch. My first instict was fold because he could have been playing rope-a-dope with a 5 or backdoor flush. Aces are great and all but I try not to stackoff with them in a 400BB+ pot.

Then I thought back to a number of hands like this one:


***** Hand History for Game 204190034 *****
<< [table size: 2]
$1.00/$2.00 NL Texas Hold'em - Mon, Dec 18, 23:28:37 2006
Table TV The Quick and the Dead (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: weaksauce ($223.60)
Seat 2: SMFD ($731.60)
SMFD posts small blind [$1.00]
weaksauce posts big blind [$2.00]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to weaksauce [ Js Kd ]
SMFD raises [$7.00]
weaksauce raises [$24.00]
SMFD calls [$18.00]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd 2d 2s ]
weaksauce bets [$39.00]
SMFD calls [$39.00]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
weaksauce bets [$88.00]
SMFD raises [$176.00]
weaksauce is all-In [$70.60]
SMFD is refunded uncalled bet $17.40
SMFD shows [ 5s Ac ] Three of a Kind, Deuces
** Dealing River ** [ Ts ]
weaksauce shows [ Js Kd ] a Full House, Deuces full of Jacks
SMFD shows [ 5s Ac ] Three of a Kind, Deuces
weaksauce wins $446.20 from main pot


And I think I have to call him. The positive side of HU variance is niiiiiiice.





[Edited on December 18, 2006 at 6:53 PM. Reason : ^]

12/18/2006 6:50:39 PM

I love hands like this

PokerStars Game #7520471392: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($1/$2) - 2006/12/19 - 23:26:36 (ET)
Table 'Maja II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: checkmate13 ($39.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Earthur ($61 in chips)
Seat 4: The Hish 24 ($18.25 in chips)
Seat 5: RangerC ($62 in chips)
Seat 6: WRAINH2O ($51 in chips)
WRAINH2O: posts small blind $0.50
checkmate13: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [Ad Ah 8c Js]
Earthur: raises $1 to $2
The Hish 24: raises $1 to $3
RangerC: folds
hivoltaghe has returned
WRAINH2O: folds
checkmate13: calls $2
The Hish 24 said, "cap it out"
Earthur: raises $1 to $4
Betting is capped
The Hish 24: calls $1
checkmate13: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [Ts Ac 7d]
checkmate13: checks
Earthur: bets $1
The Hish 24: raises $1 to $2
checkmate13: calls $2
Earthur: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Ts Ac 7d] [9s]
checkmate13: bets $2
Earthur: calls $2
The Hish 24: raises $2 to $4
checkmate13: raises $2 to $6
Earthur: calls $4
The Hish 24: raises $2 to $8
Betting is capped
checkmate13: calls $2
Earthur: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [Ts Ac 7d 9s] [Kd]
checkmate13: bets $2
Earthur: folds
The Hish 24: raises $2 to $4
checkmate13: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Hish 24: shows [Ad Ah 8c Js] (HI: a straight, Seven to Jack)
checkmate13: mucks hand
The Hish 24 collected $49.50 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.50 | Rake $1
Board [Ts Ac 7d 9s Kd]
Seat 1: checkmate13 (big blind) mucked [As 9h 7s 6h]
Seat 3: Earthur folded on the River
Seat 4: The Hish 24 showed [Ad Ah 8c Js] and won ($49.50) with HI: a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 5: RangerC (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: WRAINH2O (small blind) folded before Flop

12/19/2006 11:29:22 PM

I love hands like this. How often does this happen. Rolled aces, oooooh baby!

[Edited on December 19, 2006 at 11:42 PM. Reason : ]

12/19/2006 11:41:58 PM

Sucks that the only time I get rolled up it's because I'm playing razz.

12/20/2006 3:56:52 AM

What is the play here?

PokerStars Game #7532038547: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/20 - 20:23:00 (ET)
Table 'Algieba II' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: fluff55 ($12.95 in chips)
Seat 2: ocyras ($56 in chips)
Seat 4: POKERALLNITE ($101.20 in chips)
Seat 5: AACESFULL ($122.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Typhicane ($75.30 in chips)
Seat 7: speedycarlos ($115.60 in chips)
Seat 8: Cpt_Neckfat ($41.35 in chips)
Seat 9: crusader-bg ($87.70 in chips)
Cpt_Neckfat: posts small blind $0.50
crusader-bg: posts big blind $1
GeneHackman: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Typhicane [Ad Jc]
fluff55: calls $1
ocyras: calls $1
POKERALLNITE: calls $1
AACESFULL: folds
Typhicane: raises $4 to $5
speedycarlos: folds
Cpt_Neckfat: calls $4.50
crusader-bg: calls $4
fluff55: raises $7.95 to $12.95 and is all-in
ocyras: folds
POKERALLNITE: folds
Typhicane: calls $7.95
Cpt_Neckfat: calls $7.95
crusader-bg: calls $7.95
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kd 4h]
Cpt_Neckfat: checks
crusader-bg: checks
Typhicane: checks
*** TURN *** [Qs Kd 4h] [9c]
Cpt_Neckfat: checks
crusader-bg: checks
Typhicane: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kd 4h 9c] [2c]
Cpt_Neckfat: checks
crusader-bg said, "l"
crusader-bg: checks
Typhicane: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Cpt_Neckfat: shows [Jd 9d] (a pair of Nines)
crusader-bg: mucks hand
fluff55: mucks hand
Typhicane: mucks hand
Cpt_Neckfat collected $51.15 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $53.80 | Rake $2.65
Board [Qs Kd 4h 9c 2c]
Seat 1: fluff55 mucked [Ts As]
Seat 2: ocyras folded before Flop
Seat 4: POKERALLNITE folded before Flop
Seat 5: AACESFULL folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Typhicane mucked [Ad Jc]
Seat 7: speedycarlos (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Cpt_Neckfat (small blind) showed [Jd 9d] and won ($51.15) with a pair of Nines
Seat 9: crusader-bg (big blind) mucked [5h 6h]

12/20/2006 8:25:37 PM

ben saw your post about the borgata deal... let me know, i'll chip in... oh and do i have a story to tell you... i've sworn off home games... at least for a while....

12/20/2006 8:59:48 PM

Quote :

"What is the play here?"

Uhhhh, fold preflop?

12/20/2006 11:14:44 PM

Folding preflop is okay given the 3 limpers, one of which is a shortstack. If I did decide to raise it would definately be my standard pot sized bet of $6.50, which may or may not get the blinds out in this case.

As played I would probably isolation reraise the all-in to $25-$30, though I wouldn't be thrilled about the spot I had put myself in.

12/20/2006 11:41:06 PM

^I thought about the reraise to isolate, in a tourney I would have. In a cash game, I felt like I had to call and hope no one else reraised. With no one showing strenght, in late position, I felt like the hand snowballed into a bad position.

12/21/2006 7:32:04 AM

RRing preflop there "to isolate" would be horrible.

12/21/2006 9:47:23 AM

Alright, someone who has played roullete please explain whether this is legal:

You have two colors, red and black. Bet $10 on red. Win - get $10. Lose - bet $20 on red the next time. If you still lose, bet $40 the next time. If you STILL lose, bet 80 next time. Eventually you win $10 on sheer probability (and provided you ahve the money to cover these bets.

Use the $10 profit to start all over again.


I'm sure there's a rule that prevents you from doing this...

12/21/2006 9:57:00 AM

there's no rule that prevents you from using a martingale system.

hell, they'll love to have you do it.

want to know why?

because this:

Quote :

"Eventually you win $10 on sheer probability (and provided you ahve the money to cover these bets. Use the $10 profit to start all over again. I'm sure there's a rule that prevents you from doing this... "

is fucking retarded.

look it up, lean some statistics.

12/21/2006 10:12:02 AM

well first of all there are more than two colors when you play roulette

am i right???

12/21/2006 10:47:55 AM

Quote :

"Eventually you win $10 on sheer probability (and provided you ahve the money to cover these bets."

First of all, no you will not eventually win on sheer probability.

Second, I believe you will eventually hit a maximum bet amount.

See: http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/bettingsystems.html

Jim and I had a long conversation about this about 100 pages back if you get bored.

12/21/2006 12:09:49 PM

Yeah, seriously, even with an infinite betting limit and an infinite amount of money, that system will fail because of 1 little space (in Europe) or 2 little spaces (in the U.S.). 0 and 00.

12/21/2006 1:03:39 PM

First off, I realize in the long run this system doesn't work. No betting system works in the long run. I'm simply saying, given a high enough betting ceiling, you can reduce the chance of going broke significantly.

Let's assume you're starting with a $1 bet and the max bet is $100. Using a Martingale system you stand to lose the following with each loss.

1 loss - $1
2 losses - $3
3 losses - $7
4 losses - $15
5 losses - $31
6 losses - $63

Assume everytime you win $1 you set it aside and restart. Statistically speaking only one time in 64 are you going to suffer 6 straight losses. That reduces the risk substantially. Now try performing the same system with a $1000 max bet. Now you have to lose 9 in a row to bust out.

In the long run you will bust out enough to cancel out your winnings. I knew that was the case, but I didn't know why. Thanks for the article David0603.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : h]

12/21/2006 1:11:27 PM

If you really want to see a true testament that you cannot rely on probability to bail you out, you need to come see me and ben play an evening of craps.

12/21/2006 1:43:48 PM

Quote :

"Yeah, seriously, even with an infinite betting limit and an infinite amount of money, that system will fail because of 1 little space (in Europe) or 2 little spaces (in the U.S.). 0 and 00."

WRONG, has nothing to do with the problem AT ALL... With that setup you would win money, and lots, and the 0/00 would have no effect.

12/21/2006 1:53:44 PM

^^ ahahahah

yeah no kididng.

for some reason when jon and i get around a table, the most immaculately horrible statistical anyomolies(sp) occur.

Quote :

"First off, I realize in the long run this system doesn't work. No betting system works in the long run. I'm simply saying, given a high enough betting ceiling, you can reduce the chance of going broke significantly. Let's assume you're starting with a $1 bet and the max bet is $100. Using a Martingale system you stand to lose the following with each loss. 1 loss - $1 2 losses - $3 3 losses - $7 4 losses - $15 5 losses - $31 6 losses - $63 Assume everytime you win $1 you set it aside and restart. Statistically speaking only one time in 64 are you going to suffer 6 straight losses. That reduces the risk substantially. Now try performing the same system with a $1000 max bet. Now you have to lose 9 in a row to bust out. In the long run you will bust out enough to cancel out your winnings. I knew that was the case, but I didn't know why. Thanks for the article David0603. "

you've still got fundamental flaws.

First off, if you lose 6 in a row, its not $100, its $120. You'd have effectively busted your system in 5 loses, since you couldnt afford another spin if you limited to $100.

Whered you get 1:64?


You are attempting to ignore house edge in your calculations also, which in this case makes a difference.

its what, 38 spots on a layout? (from memory)

2 green, 18 black 18 red.


so, therefore each specific event you have a 47.368% chance of winning, with a 52.632% chance of losing.


(0.52632)^2 = 0.2771 ~27.7%

(0.52632)^3 = 0.1458 ~14.58 %

(0.52632)^4 = 0.0767 ~7.67 %

(0.52632)^5 = 0.0404 ~4.04%


looks more like 1:25 to me.

and each specific spin is a brand new event, so technically, even if you've lost 500 straight spins, its still a
4% chance that you'll lose the next 5.

a 4% occurance with such a small sample size is a relatively low sigma event also, due tot he nature of variance
and discrete outcomes.

do you know how long 25 spins lasts on a roulette table?

about 80 minutes tops.

you're better off to avoid the variance and just play normal bets if you are just trying to enjoy yourself. suck up the house edge, and consider that paying for your drinks.

so on a $10 table, paying one bet, you're still going to lose ~$0.50 per spin, or upwards of $15/hr.

whaturr.

The interesting part about martingaling comes in with the situation that busting out actually saves you money, and it could be argued that busting actually saves you money, even for when you would have won the next spin. (not saying that youre saving -ev by not betting, lol, thats fucking obvious) Thats where the concepts start to get fuzzy.


There's tons more that could be said aboutt his, perhaps ill get into some of it if this is still going when i get home from work.

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:01 PM. Reason : e]

12/21/2006 1:57:16 PM