[quoteThen explain to me how one could prefer Edwards, then Hillary, then McCain?[/quote]

yeah, that just don't add up.

anyhow... McCain would taste like salt. or Prunes. but not chocolate.




[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 4:58 PM. Reason : ]

8/8/2008 4:57:24 PM

Edwards tastes like shampoo and conditioner, Hillary tastes like frozen fish, McCain tastes like prunes and hard candy, and Obama tastes like cotton candy or rice cakes (no substance, har har)

8/8/2008 4:58:15 PM

McCain = Old SeaSalt + Prunes + BenGay




[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/8/2008 4:59:32 PM

Quote :

"but not chocolate."

Werther's Original has chocolate in them

so don't rule out chocolate, although I'm sure it would be in a hard candy form

8/8/2008 5:03:06 PM

I actually already went into some detail about my transition with Kainen.
And that's just the one I can find. I have been through this several times. I won't justify myself anymore than I already have, especially since this is more troll than actual interest in my political beliefs.

<<Here is the post again, edited for clarity, for anyone that actually cares to know>>

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"I can see how it may seem [that my support of John McCain is inconsistent with my previously voiced beliefs], but I think my position is more consistent than it appears. I have a rough philosophical core that guides my political choices—largely influenced by economist Amartya Sen and philosopher Martha Nussbaum. The [summation of that view] is that I think that the government has a large role in making sure that people have the means and resources to develop the capabilities they need to lead “choice-worthy” lives. That doesn’t mean ensuring everyone reaches the same outcomes as measured by income or even that everyone must have an equal opportunities to reach a certain level income. People want different things. Some people want high paying jobs with little time off, others want less money and more leisure time. Since preferences are different, I believe the government should have few restrictions on movement and trade. But, at the same time, I think the government can help people develop the basic capabilities to lead lives they would find "choice worthy". Maybe that means helping them get access to medical care or education or what have you. Now, when it comes to picking a political candidate, I try to find those that have the best ideas for helping people develop their capabilities while preserving their freedom to live their lives. Hillary Clinton has a better plan for getting health care to more people than either McCain or Obama, but it isn’t perfect and she will likely not get elected anyways. McCain’s plan is less ambitious but will likely do more to improve the working poor’s access to medical care than Obama’s plan (at least in my opinion). McCain also supports fewer trade restrictions than Obama or Hillary. Plus, I think that McCain is a more credible fighter on climate change and that his plans for Iraq will do more good for Iraqis than Obama’s (they’re people too you know). That’s on top of the fact that he has shown himself to be a first rate leader on politically dangerous issues. My choices my seem fickle, but appearances can be deceiving. I already know what I want to see done, it’s just a question of finding the best person to do it. And knowing the minds of others is a much more difficult task than knowing your own."

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=515964

I am now actually less confident than I was about Hillarys plan than I was when I wrote this (I over estimated the impact that preventative measures would have on medical costs), but I think it's still mostly true.

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM. Reason : ``]

8/8/2008 5:14:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWX5u69hmzY

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

8/8/2008 7:18:33 PM

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"I am now actually less confident than I was about Hillarys plan than I was when I suddenly became a shill for McCain"

8/8/2008 7:36:35 PM

^

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"I have been through this several times. I won't justify myself anymore than I already have, especially since this is more troll than actual interest in my political beliefs."

[Edited on August 8, 2008 at 7:45 PM. Reason : ``]

8/8/2008 7:41:04 PM

whatever.

if it helps you resolve your cognitive dissonance, then i'm happy for you.

8/8/2008 8:01:59 PM

My gut is telling me Hillary hasn't given up yet. She wants this too much to be so quiet now.

I think she's gonna try to break the convention voting wide open...and then convince delegates that Obama isn't the winner everyone thought.

Obama leads Hillary by only 127 pledged delegates, and 206 Super-delegates.

Could Hillary be secretly contacting S-Delegates pointing out that they are not bound to vote for Obama...even on the first ballot? Is she telling them that the polls are not showing Obama as a very potent candidate.. only neck and neck with McCain?

She may even have some tasty dirt on Obama that might come out right before the convention. Bill is now scheduled to speak... perhaps a rousing speech for his wife?

The Clintons are the ultimate political schemers without a inkling of ethics. Obama is such a neophyte empty suit, that Hillary and Bill could brush him away at the convention.

8/8/2008 10:55:12 PM

no way earth. The dems cant risk losing the black vote. Any trick that keeps obama off the ticket will certainly do that.

Now is she shrill enough to attempt it? Sure. No way it will be allowed to happen.

8/8/2008 10:59:13 PM

yeah, thats just too farfetched.

it would backfire like nothing youve ever seen. 2008 would be lost for the Dems, and it would be political suicide for Hillary.

8/8/2008 11:07:48 PM

Jesus christ, they arrested ANOTHER lunatic for making death threats on Barack Obama. This time, this guy was from the Charlotte area. He said: "(Obama) is the antichrist" and 'I've got a handgun and rifle and I'll take care of him' among other things.

That's the second guy they've busted in a span of a week. I'm starting to wonder if some wacko will legitimately take a shot at him..

8/9/2008 7:12:55 PM

how are you supposed to ever be the antichrist if you never even gain the prophesied power?

GEEZE PEOPLE, THINK IT THROUGH

8/9/2008 7:15:53 PM

theres no question about it... we're only just beginning to see the flood of nutjobs being arrested for making/attempting threats against Obama.

the question is, where do they come from?

I'll bet that >90% of them will come from states formerly in the Confederacy.

8/9/2008 8:20:04 PM

I a guy I used to work with seriously thought Obama was a muslim, and thought he also may be the antichrist.

8/9/2008 8:54:24 PM

McCain Supporter: I won't vote for Obama because he's a Muslim.

Reporter: Um, he's not a Muslim. He's been a born-again Christian for over 20 years.

McCain Supporter: Yeah... I know all of that's true... But I still think he's a Muslim in secret.

Reporter:




i wish i could remember where i saw this video.

8/9/2008 11:03:13 PM

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"I a guy I used to work with seriously thought Obama was a muslim, and thought he also may be the antichrist."

you are right a guy, they are sound like idiots.

8/9/2008 11:26:48 PM

^^ That's pretty much the exact conversation I had. And they used the phrase "secret muslim" too, which I found peculiar. It's like they are being fed this by someone.

8/9/2008 11:54:19 PM

i, too, don't understand at all how you could support McCain and not despise Edwards.

I've never really been able to figure out Socks' politics, though (since before this election cycle even started)

8/10/2008 12:04:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

ha

8/10/2008 12:18:21 AM

I think Obama's hiding his muslim past is a concern. Do I feel he is a muslim? no. Do I feel he would have a tendency to side with Palestine? Yes, which is why he has to hide his past. He cant lose his jewish voters. He has lied about his schooling and religion as a child. He also got involved in Kenya politics to help put into power Odinga, who has an agreement to spread islam in kenya, who lost the election, and through violence got to "share" power. Amazingly enough with all the churchs that were burned and thousands killed, not one mosque was touched.

What concerns me more is his socialist agenda and massive wealth redistributions he talks about.

You can call him a born again christian all you want, but he spend 20 yrs in a black liberation theology church, which is a concern. Now the man is smart enough to graduate from harvard, but too dense to figure out what kind of church he is in? Come on

That mccain ad is pretty funny. But mccain needs to be drilling him on issues, but he is chipping into axelrods image campaign on obama.

8/10/2008 9:19:48 AM

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"He has lied about his schooling and religion as a child."

Huh?

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"He also got involved in Kenya politics to help put into power Odinga, who has an agreement to spread islam in kenya, who lost the election, and through violence got to "share" power."

Obama is FROM kenya and his grandma on his mom's side still lives there (and probably other family members to). Odinga is from the same village as Obama's dad, and allegedly is his cousin. It's not surprising that he has some interest in the area.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-01-17-805293055_x.htm

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"Said Obama welcomed attempts his nephew[our Obama] has made to try to get Kibaki and Odinga to talk. Barack Obama called Odinga and said he urged all leaders to tell their supporters to stand down and resolve the situation peacefully. Barack Obama's advisers say he also has discussed the crisis with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu. But Said Obama said his nephew need do nothing just for his family. "I don't want to pull the Obama card," he said. "We have a problem in Kenya and I want to live it like any other Kenyan, not as Obama's relative." "We hear that Barack has intervened and talked to the leadership here, but that's on behalf of all Kenyans, not on the behalf of his family members, and that's how it should be.""

And you're literally insane if you think our Obama has a modicum of support for the killings and riots in Kenya.

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"Amazingly enough with all the churchs that were burned and thousands killed, not one mosque was touche"

I would bet lots of money this statement is not true, but it's telling you'd repeat it. Odinga is a professed Christian too BTW.

[Edited on August 10, 2008 at 11:13 AM. Reason : ]

8/10/2008 11:12:48 AM

Professed Christian??? OR DODECA-DOUBLE SECRET MUSLIM?!?!?!?!!? I report, you decide!

8/10/2008 11:17:32 AM

^ an allusion to animal house? at least spookyjon is keeping current.

8/10/2008 12:38:00 PM

It made me think of that immortal Calvin and Hobbes strip.

We need more religious double agents. And tripple agents. And so on.

8/10/2008 12:45:31 PM

which strip was that? i'd like to see it.

8/10/2008 1:20:38 PM

^^^ An allusion to Futurama making an allusion to Animal House.

8/10/2008 1:41:15 PM

there has never been a better reason to vote for barack:
http://tinyurl.com/5c3kak

8/10/2008 2:05:40 PM

I can't find the strip online. But here's proof that it exists:

http://reemst.com/calvin_and_hobbes/stripsearch/1995/9/24/calvin_and_hobbes.html

8/10/2008 2:26:11 PM

ah calvinball

...

but thats kind of a stretch to religion.

8/10/2008 4:50:24 PM

moron, here is the link to the agreement between Odinga and NAMLEF.

http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/MOU_between_Ralia_Odinga_and_Muslims.pdf

"That's because Odinga admitted to Christian leaders in Kenya a Memorandum of Understanding circulating on the Internet is not fake, but a document Odinga signed with Muslim leaders in Kenya."

Here is the link from an Australian report of the violence.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23000292-601,00.html

Here is a times article of them burning a church with people in it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/03/world/fg-church3

8/10/2008 5:08:44 PM

8/10/2008 6:42:44 PM

"Terrorist fist bump, John. This is how I plan to beat you in November. Remember that because there's nothing you can do to beat it. Its like dynamite in rock, paper, scissors."

[Edited on August 10, 2008 at 7:06 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2008 6:59:53 PM

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"here is the link to the agreement between Odinga and NAMLEF. http://file.sunshinepress.org:54445/MOU_between_Ralia_Odinga_and_Muslims.pdf "

Yeah I already saw that, what is its relevance to Obama?

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"Here is the link from an Australian report of the violence. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23000292-601,00.html Here is a times article of them burning a church with people in it. http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/03/world/fg-church3"

[/quote]

It's well known that horrible things are done in Africa and Kenya, what does that have to do with Obama? Obama has on several occasions condemned the violence and called for peaceful resolutions. There's not much more he can do.

8/10/2008 10:45:41 PM

OMG OMG OMG SOMEHTING BAD HAPPENED IN KENYA

THEREFORE OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!!!!

[/eyedrb]

8/11/2008 1:10:28 AM

^cute joe. Did you get tired of talking about cartoons and doing the bartman?

moron, if you dont understand the relevance of how Obama interjects himself into another countries political race. Have concerns over the candidate he choose, and what that might mean when/if he becomes president, then I cant help you.

I dont believe obama called the president once during the violence, but did call odinga almost daily. Little strange.

8/11/2008 9:29:10 AM

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"<sarcasm>Oh no!! The patriot act is sooo bad!!! They can track what library books you read. Wwwooo. pfft. What's next? Tracking what Operas I go too?</sarcasm>"

-Homer Simpson on old Simpsons episode I saw last night.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 10:36 AM. Reason : ``]

8/11/2008 10:35:05 AM

Ahahaha that's awesome.

8/11/2008 10:38:09 AM

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"moron, if you dont understand the relevance of how Obama interjects himself into another countries political race."

Do you understand why he chose this particular country? He obviously doesn't have a habit of interjecting himself in to other countries political race.

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"Have concerns over the candidate he choose,"

Neither candidate was very savory at all, and he chose the one he thought he could most positively influence (because he's from his dad's village).

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"and what that might mean when/if he becomes president, then I cant help you."

To me, it means he'll have a better grasp of foreign policy, because he knows what types of things go on elsewhere, and has a first hand look at how senseless violence affects families.

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"I dont believe obama called the president once during the violence, but did call odinga almost daily. Little strange. "

He called the president at least once, and considering it apparently was Odinga that was causing lots of the problems, he was probably the one that needed the most talking to.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 10:49 AM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 10:49:19 AM

^ word.

I'm glad you have the patience to deal with his particular brand of ignorance. I sure don't

8/11/2008 11:59:27 AM

Obama campaign's response to McCain "celebrity" ad
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185304443/bctid1721792723

They should have left out the Steve Carell clip though because people love Steve Carell.

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 12:54 PM. Reason : ]

8/11/2008 12:52:42 PM

Are people still looking for reasons not to vote for Obama?

[Edited on August 11, 2008 at 2:18 PM. Reason : .]

8/11/2008 2:07:30 PM

they are trying really hard

8/11/2008 2:19:30 PM

McCain's VP: Tom Ridge?!?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/11/campaign.wrap/index.html

Quote :

" A GE employee asked McCain what his plans would be for his first 90 days in office. "Call Tom Ridge to Washington from whatever vacation he is taking and get him to work," McCain answered, to much applause. Selecting Ridge, a Catholic and former two-term governor of Pennsylvania, could boost McCain's chances in this swing state. But Ridge is also pro-choice, a factor that would probably turn off segments of the Republican base. McCain heaped praise on Ridge, saying he was "proud to be in his company.""

8/11/2008 3:09:53 PM

No you have it backwards. I think the implication is that he would actually be ruled out as a VP pick if you went by McCain's quote.

McCain's VP will be Romney or Pawlenty. I'd take that to the bank. If he's smart he'd choose Pawlenty being the far better of the two IMO

8/11/2008 3:23:56 PM

He is going to demand the house come back from vacation.

8/11/2008 4:07:39 PM

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"Did McCain Plagiarize His Speech on the Georgia Crisis? By Taegan Goddard | August 11, 2008 1:13 PM | Permalink | Comments (3) A Wikipedia editor notices some similarities between Sen. John McCain's speech today on the crisis in Georgia and the Wikipedia article on the country Georgia. They appear similar enough that most people would consider parts of McCain's speech to be derived directly from Wikipedia. First instance: one of the first countries in the world to adopt Christianity as an official religion (Wikipedia) vs. one of the world's first nations to adopt Christianity as an official religion (McCain) Second instance: After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Georgia had a brief period of independence as a Democratic Republic (1918-1921), which was terminated by the Red Army invasion of Georgia. Georgia became part of the Soviet Union in 1922 and regained its independence in 1991. Early post-Soviet years was marked by a civil unrest and economic crisis. (Wikipedia) vs. After a brief period of independence following the Russian revolution, the Red Army forced Georgia to join the Soviet Union in 1922. As the Soviet Union crumbled at the end of the Cold War, Georgia regained its independence in 1991, but its early years were marked by instability, corruption, and economic crises. (McCain)"

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html

8/11/2008 4:13:09 PM

^ It's not surprising to me that they consulted wikipedia.

I read an article maybe 2 weeks ago about a Bush staffer that got caught using inaccurate information from Wikipedia.

I don't know if that is necessarily considered plagiarism though, and i'm not too surprised they don't have any experts on the political dealings of the Caucasoids, but not being a poli sci major, I can't gauge how unusual this would be.

8/11/2008 4:17:07 PM

you know we're fucked when government officials start consultiing Wikipedia for their foreign policy information.


i mean, holy shit.





this is one of the scariest things ive heard since ... since ...


fuck.


since i don't know.

8/11/2008 4:37:51 PM