He had a forest of trees to work with and cut down to make his profits...

Sid was left with a few measly bushes and a whole lot of cleared land.



see what i did there?

12/7/2008 4:06:37 PM

Sendek was run off by idiots like you. Also he uses non traditional players to fit in his system (horner is his recruit). Finally Sendek also already has a loss this season TO AN UNRANKED TEAM. Having watched ASU I would say that they are a mediocre ACC team at best. I prefer to reserve judgment until Lowe has his players in playing his style. You can continue foaming at the mouth and acting like an idiot but I am pretty sure that the Athletic department will also be prone to giving him a chance. However your lunatic idiocy can hurt recruiting. If you are gonna be one of the people who goes to games to boo the coach stay the fuck home.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM. Reason : for ohboyee the one who makes everyone look bad]

12/7/2008 4:08:01 PM

wait, so are you pro or anti sendek?

12/7/2008 4:10:36 PM

^^ oh okay, so we have to wait at least 2 more years to get rid of Herb's players before we can expect any kind of good team. Thanks for clearing that up.

how DARE I be upset that we are piss poor the last 2 years and looking straight in the face of it for a 3rd. Two more years and then Lowe will shine as a coach.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 4:10:58 PM

bout to say i know that wasnt me

and yea...i hate his style players, they dont work well at all obviously against athletic guys...which is VERY evident.


he has one good player and they play in a weak conference really and have lost to an unranked team.



people just need to let him go already, its like an ex gf you dont want to break connection with even though she wasnt that hot or good to you...let her go dude, just let her go.

12/7/2008 4:12:10 PM

The "Lowe is coaching Sendek's players" argument is getting real old.

12/7/2008 4:14:38 PM

just look at the '05/'06 season if you're missing herb sendek. he was in his 10th season starting three seniors, a junior and a sophomore who was about to be a lottery pick. all his guys, all played his system, and all played it well. what's he do w/ that team? he loses to iowa, gets blown at at home by seton hall and a unc team chock full of freshmen, loses twice in a row to wake forest, zero wins in the acc tournament and one win in the ncaa tournament. and that's herb in a nutshell.

12/7/2008 4:19:16 PM

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"and yea...i hate his style players, they dont work well at all obviously against athletic guys...which is VERY evident."

This is such fucking garbage and you know it. These guys were top 100 recruits offered by some of the biggest names in the NCAA who run varying offenses. Fells is one of the most athletic players I've seen at this level.

They are talented players who should be able to play well in any system should the coach know how to implement it and get through to them. Lowe was left without a PG once Wright committed to the Hoyas and he made the egregious decision to offer Javi instead of Warren...

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"Finally Sendek also already has a loss this season TO AN UNRANKED TEAM. Having watched ASU I would say that they are a mediocre ACC team at best."

Thanks to Mr. Harden, ASU would be the third or fourth best team in the conference this year... no doubt.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:20 PM. Reason : FYI, Baylor is ranked #24 now]

12/7/2008 4:19:29 PM

I was actually pro Sendek because I thought he was evolving out of the 3 at the buzzer offense. He was recruiting big men who were actually traditional big men (ced simmons) etc.
Ohboyee while the argument may be getting old it is the truth. Give it time then start your bitching. I have seen enough out of Lowe to think he may be able to get it done. Don't forget the out coaching of Roy Williams (and yes that was out coaching) and the ACC tourney run that was a couple decent bench players from being an ACC championship.

12/7/2008 4:23:24 PM

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"just look at the '05/'06 season if you're missing herb sendek"

Fuck yeah I miss Herb Sendek. I miss post season play at our BASKETBALL SCHOOL. Did I want him gone for a better coach? You can bet your ass I did. Instead we got Lowe who has no clue how to coach a college game. It is the head basketball coach's job to develop the players he has. It's not like Lowe hasn't been recruiting for 3 years either and has none of his players in.

He got Hickson, he fucked that up. That's a huge fucking coaching blunder to finish last in the league with a player as good as Hickson, Herb Sendek's players be damned.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 4:29:02 PM

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"Don't forget the out coaching of Roy Williams (and yes that was out coaching) and the ACC tourney run that was a couple decent bench players from being an ACC championship. "

The whole problem for me with this is that he didn't out coach anyone when Atsur wasn't playing.

I almost could conceive of Atsur being a better coach than some of our assistants.

12/7/2008 4:33:19 PM

and to say Herb's players are the problem is absolutely asinine.

brandon costner 5*
courtney fells 4*
ben mccauley 4*

12/7/2008 4:36:34 PM

if that were the case we would have won a lot more games against Roy boy with atsur at the point. There is a reason why after Lowe's first year expectations were high. Last year was a decent point guard away from being a good year.
^how many of those are point guards with good footspeed??

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ^]

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:39 PM. Reason : adfsdaf]

12/7/2008 4:37:52 PM

^^lol

12/7/2008 4:39:10 PM

well we have Lowe's recruits now running point guard. You want to comment about that too and blame Herb's system on that as well?

12/7/2008 4:40:06 PM

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"^how many of those are point guards with good footspeed??"

Well, Chris Wright was a commit and a true PG, but I blame Fowler more than Lowe for that gaffe.

Again, how is that not Lowe's fault to a degree? He made an error in judgment. Chris Warren was still available and was practically begging for a scholly offer from State. He gave it to Javi instead, who is borderline high-major bench caliber... at best.

That is the ONLY thing I'm being highly critical of so far with Lowe. Am I impressed with him as a whole no? But I'm not being critical of it because he is new to the college game.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:42 PM. Reason : should have recruited seth curry! j/k, but not really]

12/7/2008 4:41:46 PM

The starting point guard is still coming back from a season ending knee injury. Any more insightful statements???

Chris Warren was a big mistake if he had the grades to play in the ACC. I think we still had available schollies so I think we would have picked him up if we could have.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ^]

12/7/2008 4:42:41 PM

Just to be clear I'm not ready to run Lowe out of town (yet) since he's got some amazing recruiting prospects. Is he trying to polish a turd with our current roster? Of course. I'm not confident in his ability to make basketball players better.. Seems to me he just assumes they are going to be able to come in and be ACC caliber right out of HS... But to try and blame Herb for our shitty performance the past 2 years (and likely this year) is real fucking lame.

wait till next year, right adder?

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 4:43:58 PM

I don't blame Sendek for our performance but I also realistically know rebuilding takes a while especially if it involves a change in systems. I really liked Sendek while he was here and hated listening to people boo him at the RBC. If it ever gets to that point with Lowe (who won us a championship btw) I will pretend I didn't graduate from here.
Last year was really the only year I think we underperformed and there were a multitude of reasons for that.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:49 PM. Reason : adfa]

12/7/2008 4:47:38 PM

Also the argument that we don't have a good point guard holds no water at all. IIRC Lowe was a national championship point guard. He doesn't even have the ability to coach the fucking point guards to not turn the ball over ever other trip up the court? That's bullshit, and that is bullshit coaching. I get that you are trying to support the coach and everything, and he has my support too, but I'm just trying to be realistic in my evaluating him as a coach.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 4:53:47 PM

^thats ridiculous, just because he was a good pg means anyone he coaches will be one? so i could go out there and Lowe could coach me to be an All ACC pg...hell no, its all in talent to begin with. that argument you are trying to make holds no water. Jordans kids should hold every record in the history of basketball if thats the case!

andddddddddd

no, i dont think that Costner,Horner or McCauley would do well in a system with run and gun type sets

you let them play one year in a weave and heave system and then try and place them somewhere like UNC or Florida and it wouldnt work...you even saw that with the recruit Werner at Florida hardly getting any playing time and he was supposed to be a huge recruit here.

its been proven time and time again they dont have the athletic ability to compete against a highly athletic team...not to mention some have what seems to be attitude or focus problems.

and I by no means mean this for Fells, he has always been one of my fav. players due to the potential and athletic gifts the kid has.

I do believe we blundered the Javi recruitment and that is why we are where we are, that along with Degand having the Valvano injury curse that gets transferred every year here at State.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : g]

12/7/2008 4:54:00 PM

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"but I also realistically know rebuilding takes a while especially if it involves a change in systems."

this would hold water if you were talking about football (sans Ga Tech of course), not college basketball in year #3.

12/7/2008 4:55:36 PM

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"you even saw that with the recruit Werner at Florida hardly getting any playing time and he was supposed to be a huge recruit here."

What? He averaged 27.5 mins a game as a soph and is the third leading scorer this year... he gets plenty of run... He didn't play much as a frosh (8.9 min/game) but that is to be expected on a team full of upperclassmen coming back off of a NC...

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"no, i dont think that Costner,Horner or McCauley would do well in a system with run and gun type sets"

Horner, no. McCauley was recruited by high majors like Pitt though, which isn't a fast offense for sure but isn't a Princeton style either. I describe Pitt as "NYC-tough" type of play. Costner was recruited... by everyone.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:57 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2008 4:56:27 PM

^^why not when you have only been able to hand out a number of scholarships??

you are trolling and doing a terrible job at it.

there are def. changes in systems along with personnel. Kentucky should be a HUGE example.


tahts exactly what im saying...as a freshmen...he was supposed to come in here and do huge things...when if he transferred he was a role player and subject to bench time...but it took him a few years to DEVELOP into a good player at UF...that goes along with what im saying that even though you think we were getting great talent, in relation...it wasnt THAT great. not to mention Donovan runs a style somewhat similar to Herbs in his last few years...they both coached together as asst anyways.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 4:59 PM. Reason : g]

12/7/2008 4:57:30 PM

What's your point, though? So what he didn't get playing time. They had six fucking NBA draft picks on that team.

One of the six average less minutes than Werner even during their freshman years... JJ Hickson wouldn't have even started on that team.

*** I agree with most of what you're saying, but Werner is a terrible example.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:02 PM. Reason : x]

12/7/2008 5:02:08 PM

to each their own, if you think Lowe is the right man for the job then you have your wish. We'll see how this season plays out.. hopefully this is short term and we get Walls/Favors and we can open up some kind of awesome recruiting pipeline, because one thing is for sure, and that is Lowe cannot make players better with his coaching philosophy.

12/7/2008 5:02:43 PM

not started but played a ton of min. thats for sure and yea werner was a bad choice but he was the only one i could think of, maybe Lucas would have been better, i dunno.

im just saying that comparing herb and sid is stupid at this point...they ran two totally different systems and recruited different STYLE players to fit into their respective ROLES...

but regardless...its a moot point, we have what we have and only time will tell where we go from here.


im just sick and tired of this OMG HERB IS DOING SO GREAT YOU PPL SUCK FOR HATING HIM crap.

its apples and oranges.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ninja]

12/7/2008 5:04:12 PM

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"im just saying that comparing herb and sid is stupid at this point"

No it is not stupid. They coached back to back at our university. I'm just comparing them on an internet message board in a basketball thread. Herb is a better college coach than Lowe at this point, hands down. You shouldn't dismiss facts as "being stupid" that you don't like.

12/7/2008 5:07:46 PM

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"Lowe cannot make players better"

hickson would certainly disagree with you he has been quoted as saying Lowe prepared him for the NBA well. That is helping recruiting a bunch!

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:13 PM. Reason : fdasdf]

12/7/2008 5:12:49 PM

^ that's great that he said that for our program. Props to him. But what aspect of his game improved over the season? He was a fucking beast when he got here, but he didn't improve on a single aspect of his game.

Also what about the rest of our players? They've made some significant strides that I haven't seen I guess?

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:20 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 5:20:16 PM

gonzalez has definitely gotten better. as has ferguson. neither are top tier players, but they're far better than they were to begin with.

12/7/2008 5:24:37 PM

^ you have a case for gonzo getting better, but like you said he's not a top tier player and the improvement that he has displayed has been minimal at best, but I think that is from being put in the fire for ACC play as a true freshman really helped him along. I don't see Lowe overall making players better.

Look down the road at Lawson this year. He has drastically improved his 3 point shooting from his past years. No way I'm trying to compare NCSU/UNC at this point, they are worlds apart, but a good coach does make players improve during the time they are at their school.

And I'm still waiting to hear what Lowe did to drastically improve Hickson from beginning of the season to the end last year. *crickets*

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:33 PM. Reason : .]

12/7/2008 5:32:35 PM

at least there are some kick-ass guards coming in over the next two years

12/7/2008 5:42:18 PM

Hicksons footwork and freethrow shooting both drastically improved while he was here. Also passing. When he first started he couldn't pass AT ALL.

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 5:48 PM. Reason : also]

12/7/2008 5:47:23 PM

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"The starting point guard is still coming back from a season ending knee injury. Any more insightful statements???"

that would be true, except farnold is terrible even when healthy.

like nym, though, my only knock on sidney at this point is us having to wait three years to get a good pg (i'm cautiously optimistic about lorenzo brown). he fucked up getting farnold here, and he totally whiffed on warren. other than that i can chalk up to growing pains.

12/7/2008 6:16:02 PM

on a bright note, State IS 4-1

we are one of only 7 schools in the nation that can say that. and only Louisville out of those 7 schools play in a power conference

[Edited on December 7, 2008 at 6:21 PM. Reason : b]

12/7/2008 6:18:37 PM

sir, this thread is for fans of state basketball.

12/7/2008 6:20:24 PM

in that case, I fit right in

12/7/2008 6:21:43 PM

Farnold was developing into a decent pg until he got hurt. With him we won the Old spice thingy and would have most likely been NCAA caliber.

12/7/2008 6:37:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve2hxMa8gJI

There's the clothesline, if no one saw it.

12/9/2008 8:46:22 PM

^there's several other youtube clips of ferguson going off in hs. he needs to do that.

12/9/2008 10:39:44 PM

Yet another fucking nobody, Steph Curry(lol who the fuck names their son Steph?) has a career high against us


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6/2/2016 11:53:12 AM

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"dwmcilmo All American 616 Posts user info edit post Congrats to him. I have made lucky three-pointers before too."

6/2/2016 2:19:37 PM

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"Farnold was developing into a decent pg until he got hurt."

hahahahahah

6/2/2016 4:18:32 PM

I remember being at this game. Wasn't this Davidson's last lost until the ncaa tournament?

I remember Steph had a last second three to win the game, but he missed. I actually knew of Steph and remember yelling at lowe to keep someone on him. Was not surprised when he put up like 40.

6/2/2016 10:40:52 PM

^Apparently you dont remember being at this game very well.

6/2/2016 10:47:55 PM

Well he has Lax in his username. It's understandable.

6/3/2016 1:26:21 AM

Trevor. Ferguson.

6/3/2016 1:08:08 PM

More like...

Trevor Foregone Conclusion

that he was gonna be an NBA star.

6/3/2016 1:08:46 PM

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"steph curry won't be that great in the NBA. He's a great college player. There are different kinds of athletes in the NBA that can shut this "lets take 30 shots a game" shit down. Try going from having CJ Williams guarding you to having Ron Artest guarding you. Good luck you cocky son of a bitch."

6/3/2016 1:17:09 PM