If you make racist jokes, you are racist. BOOM

7/7/2015 4:29:08 PM

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"I'm glad I moved out of the south. You guys are a bummer to be around."

I don't even live in the south but the only that seems to be a bummer to be around is this guy:

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"I'm starting to think HUR thinks its the 1800s. He seems to have some anger issues with the north. Paw Paw and Maw Maw spent too much time programming him to hate the yankees. HUR did a yankee steal your paw paw's hat?"

BlackJesus you are seriously a joke dude. People with your attitude are honestly just as much of the problem as the ignorant red necks waving their flag and dropping n-bombs.

You seriously miss the big picture. The whole post about northerners being rapists/looters etc was crafted troll bait that you ate up hook and sinker. I seriously don't care. Most of my friends are northerners and my whole dad's side didn't move to NY until the turn of the 20th century.

You can't lump all folks who fought for the confederacy as evil slavers and their ancestors, who now are waving the flag, as bigot black-people haters. Meanwhile glorifying all northerners in the civil war as slave-freeing heroes whom preserved democracy while neglecting the severe racial issues that many modern northern cities have. You are going to step on a few toes.

If your goal is to move forward to a society where race really doesn't matter...
Calling everyone a racist who isn't a slavery apologist, disagrees with your idealized version of US history (where the amiable heroic northerners were eagerly waiting to bring freedom to all slaves under control by the evil southern gentry and enforce democracy and freedom to all!)
or bitching every time you don't get your way isn't going build new bridges.

7/7/2015 4:43:45 PM

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"Calling everyone a racist who isn't a slavery apologist..."

That doesn't mean what you think it does dummy.

7/7/2015 5:01:14 PM

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"The mob mentality is in full effect now"

The media is so desperate for Race-War click bait that they are looking at comedians now? Whats next, Youtube comments?

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"If you make racist jokes, you are racist. BOOM"

Unless you aren't white

[Edited on July 7, 2015 at 5:33 PM. Reason : media]

7/7/2015 5:30:32 PM

HUR I'm not the one that thinks I'm better than other people because I was born with white skin. You are a fucking moron and about 200 years behind.

7/7/2015 5:34:56 PM

that was actually a good post by HUR. I actually agree that people with attitudes like BJs where everyone are part of the problem as well (and on cue, he'll now call me stupid, because anyone who doesn't agree with 100% is "stupid" or "moron" or a "liberal").

[Edited on July 7, 2015 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ]

7/7/2015 5:39:19 PM

Yes hating the confederate flag and everything it stands for is part of the problem.




It's moronic and wrong to fly the confederate flag under any circumstances. It makes just as much sense as flying the Nazi flag. Go ahead and fly it "Hey guys look at me I'm 200 years behind and support slavery, racism and terrorism. /thread

7/7/2015 5:43:18 PM

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"It's moronic and wrong to fly the confederate flag under any circumstances. It makes just as much sense as flying the Nazi flag"

BlackJesus if you can't understand the difference between flying the confederate flag and a nazi flag then you are part of the problem. I'm not condoning flying either one, but if you are going to fix what is or is perceived as a racism problem in this country then you need to understand the difference. Go ahead though keep living up to the angry black guy stereotype lol

[Edited on July 7, 2015 at 6:02 PM. Reason : a]

7/7/2015 6:02:06 PM

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"Most of my friends are northerners and my whole dad's side didn't move to NY until the turn of the 20th century."

I knew it!

So glad we don't have to claim HUR.

Also so confused why y'all are encouraging BlackJesus to troll this place relentlessly.

7/7/2015 6:04:55 PM

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"Yes hating the confederate flag and everything it stands for is part of the problem."

I didn't say anything like that, and if you think that's what I was saying, then you need to slow down and try to comprehend a little better. I said your attitude, not your opinion.

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"Also so confused why y'all are encouraging BlackJesus to troll this place relentlessly."

true, it is rather annoying.

[Edited on July 7, 2015 at 6:08 PM. Reason : ]

7/7/2015 6:07:26 PM

If you can't see they are both symbols of hate to minority groups I feel sorry for you. Please enlighten me about how not speaking up about something thats wrong will fix it.

7/7/2015 6:08:38 PM

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"Race-War click bait"

not the first time you've said that

I guess you're proud of it?

I hope so, because it for damn sure isn't based in reality

7/7/2015 7:01:32 PM

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"not the first time you've said that I guess you're proud of it? I hope so, because it for damn sure isn't based in reality"

You're right, the media is purely objective and does not disproportionately cover white on black crime, nor does it have any incentive to have click-bait headlines that its success is dependent on. Great point.

7/7/2015 7:56:06 PM

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"that was actually a good post by HUR."

Sure, except:

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"The whole post about northerners being rapists/looters etc was crafted troll bait that you ate up hook and sinker."

Is 100% bullshit as he's repeated that argument over and over again and is just now calling it troll-bait since half the last page made fun of him for it.

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"You can't lump all folks who fought for the confederacy as evil slavers and their ancestors"

Is a strawman (google that before you try and use it again HUR)

As is this:

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"Meanwhile glorifying all northerners in the civil war as slave-freeing heroes whom preserved democracy while neglecting the severe racial issues that many modern northern cities have."

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"Calling everyone a racist who isn't a slavery apologist"

And even if he would have managed to use apologist correctly (google that too HUR), it would still be a stupid point as that's not what's going on.

But yeah. Great post!

7/7/2015 9:15:19 PM

Hey I don't know why we're talking about yankees being rapists and looters, but if he mentioned that sentence in the context of Sherman's March, then it absolutely is not bullshit. Other than that, yea, I don't know of many accounts of just random raping and looting by northerners.

7/7/2015 9:22:22 PM

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"if he mentioned that sentence in the context of Sherman's March, then it absolutely is not bullshit"

Nobody is disputing that those events happened

I don't even care to look them up because it's not like that would magically make the war not about slavery and thus remove most of the stigma of that flag being a symbol of racism. That is what this thread is about you know, despite HUR's constant stream of OH BUT THE NORTH comments.

7/7/2015 9:27:02 PM

Yea, that's why I said I didn't know why we were talking about them, unless he was trying to make some kind of point that the Yankees were just as bad as slaveowners and overseers.

I look at it this way. If the "heritage not hate" crowd really cared about this flag, they would be out imploring groups like the KKK to quit using it. This same group however, will question why moderate Muslims aren't out there speaking out against terrorist groups. So either they really don't care about it all that much, or they want to fly it for other reasons.

7/7/2015 9:35:07 PM

If the confederate flag is about southern heritage, why don't blacks in the south fly it as such...? A larger percentage of blacks are from the south than whites, black people are very much a part of the history and culture of the south, why don't they feel included in the supposed "heritage" the rebel flag stands for?

7/7/2015 11:15:54 PM

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"If the confederate flag is about southern heritage, why don't blacks in the south fly it as such...?"

nice strawman #synapse

[Edited on July 7, 2015 at 11:19 PM. Reason : look how great of a contribution i made with this post]

7/7/2015 11:18:34 PM

Synapse is a solid wolf webber and probably a decent human being.

7/7/2015 11:25:44 PM

Ok, this is something that I've been thinking. I've seen a lot of people being sarcastic about offending people. Or just really thinking it's awful they can't do something because it might offend someone.
I understand the thought of I should be able to do what makes me happy regardless of if it offends someone, we can't keep everyone happy.

But...

What is so wrong with not wanting to be offensive? Is it really that harmful to you to try you best to not offend other people? Especially if it's a large group of people.
Is it that hard to go "hey I've been doing this for my whole life, and to me it's not an offensive thing, but I understand it's pretty shitty for you to have to deal with it, so maybe I'll just keep it to myself or keep it in close company from now on"

7/7/2015 11:29:18 PM

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"If the confederate flag is about southern heritage, why don't blacks in the south fly it as such"

It's about white southern heritage, obviously. But it's not exclusively about owning slaves or oppressing/hating black people. Rather, it symbolizes the white southern culture/way of life (as opposed to black southern culture, which is historically a distinct thing, I think it's fair to say)

That said, I feel like it should be removed from public buildings. However, I feel that rednecks should remain free to fly it from their yards/trucks, and I personally won't stigmatize them for it.

7/7/2015 11:36:00 PM

^I think the same. I think the confederate flag being flown on government buildings is, in a way, a form of treason. You are showing support to a country that opposes your own.

If some redneck country boy wants to fly the flag from his truck, he has every right to do so because of our wonderful 1st amendment. But that isn't going to stop me from thinking he is a piece of white trash.

7/7/2015 11:50:43 PM

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"nice strawman #synapse"

That's not a strawman you dolt. Lots of people argue that's what the flag symbolizes.

You're right on time though! - message_editpost.aspx?edit=16249030

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"ibTT10's whining about my usage of strawman"

7/7/2015 11:55:31 PM

what is a strawman?

7/7/2015 11:56:55 PM

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" thinking he is a piece of white trash."

this is kind of a bigoted attitude, honestly. it seems likely to me that in large part, he's probably just celebrating his heritage and culture.

this symbol has probably been dear to him for his whole life - I don't blame him for not wanting to surrender it just because there's now a big movement to regard it as offensive.

7/7/2015 11:58:49 PM

re: ferguson

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"HUR:Are the niggas still looting?"

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"HUR:Seeing that the top two candidates for the Dem party is a black guy and Queen Hillary; I would put a vote in for Giulani"

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"HUR: my buddy was checking out the black bitch working the register"

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"HUR: I suppose due to racial tensions and the plight of the black man; they should be allowed to get away with burglary and assault in today's America."

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"HUR:WTF. If you are tired and sick of the white man putting you down move back to fucking africa."

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"HUR:Even better is hopefully the GOP will get enough of a slap in the face by being beat by a half black person that they will have a wake up call. "

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"HUR:you can take the black man out of the hood but you can't take the hood out of him"

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"HURon't worry i am sure the welfare receiving blacks in our society will move onto a new excuse as to why they can not get a job or need to live their entire life on gov't subsidies"

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"HUR:I am hoping after a humiliating defeat (by a black guy) the GOP will wake the fuck up"

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"HURerhaps if certain minority groups stopped propragating certain behaviors and idealizing the gangster lifestyle than this issue would dissolve. There was that bar down the street, that is now closed, that was primarily attended by a certain racial group. Notoriously was it known for knife violence and other criminal activities compared to the more mainstream bars. I know of this not just from the media and word of mouth; but also from friends of mine that are cops."

re: gunshots in South Raleigh

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"HUR:niggas gotta earn that street cred"

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"HUR:oh noes dat 15 year old white half asian looked at me funny; leroy and tyronne we gots to teach da mofo a lesson show we got that street cred yo!"

below a picture of a black looter:

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"HUR:Niggas gotta have dat purple drank!"

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"HUR:i didn't think black people liked swimming or cold weather"

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"HUR:then there is always the niggers that speed up to prevent you from gettin in front of them. I have almost run off the road a few times b.c of that one."

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"HUR:I would rather my tax $$$ be spent on helping Americans than blowing up sand niggers in Iraq"

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"HUR:i love how blacks use the word nigger and will even use it w/ positive connotations much like frat guys use "brothers". Yet if a white person uses it they get their ass kicked or have a bunch of people being like "OMG racist!""

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"HUR:yeah i think since there are all black universities we should be able to have a all white university"

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"HUR:The point still stands that a group of students nearly beat to death another student. The noose, white tree, and all that other crap the media hypes up is irrelevant"

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"HUR:Certain minority groups want there cake and eat it too. When the duke lacrosse situation went down the same minority group were basically in uproar about bringing the wealth white rapists to justice. On the reverse situation its the evil white establishment picking on the poor black community."

Oh I like this one:

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"HUR:If it was some white guy in a confederate flag shirt walking around with a noose I might be able to understand some people getting upset. Last time i checked it was not against the law for simply creating a noose."

so a noose is fine on its own, but when paired with the confederate flag it becomes racist.

re: black drivers

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"HUR:i have found this minority group unproportionally will be the one's being left lane drivers not getting over for faster traffic; but will also be the first one riding your ass in either lane even if you are in the passing lane and are forced to drive slower due to a moron in front of you."

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"HUR: a TP noose laying in a bathroom is not a form of hate crime. A redneck driving his F250 with a confederate flag filling the back window and a noose hanging on the side, maybe."

Hey look it's that confederate flag thing again

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"HUR:If he is implying that it is the white man's fault for holding black people down then this is absolutely retarded. I look around at the Asian, hispanic, etc minorities and they do not seem to have the same problems. Maybe if African Americans valued the same ideals as the rest of society they wouldn't not be stuck as a part of the underclass. Instead a large % (not everyone) of the youth population values little more then being a NBA player, drug dealer, or living the lifestyle described by their favorite gangster rapper."

7/8/2015 12:10:08 AM

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"HUR:most blacks ancestor's got an "escort" over"

OOOH AN ESCORT!! THAT SOUNDS FUN! (he originally said they got a free ride over, and changed it to escort when someone called him on it

re: slaves

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"HUR:you made one mistake Megaloman they did get Free passage over the US"

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"HUR:Whenever I hear black people bitching about civil rights I just b.c they have far less claim for "reparations" or racial desparity then native americans. I do not believe african americans are owed anything in contrast to Al Sharpton but I genuinely believe we have a debt to pay to the Native Americans."

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"HUR:Heaven forbid they actually want to change the negative image created by certain member of their race that idealize thug life, gang violence, and drug use. "

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"HUR:I have come to the conclusion that all card carrying liberal democrats are in reality enablers to the plight within which the black community experiences. With their coddling and safety economic hammock they have given the room for minorities to be like "yeah its the white establishment holding us down" or whenever they get in trouble it is "racism in the judicial system after a brother". This is not 1956; I think most people in today of more of a problem with a particular person's mindset versus arbitrary skin color."

re: 2 black kids who beat up a white kid at wakefield high

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"HUR:whatever happened to those nAggers"

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"HUR:I'm going to laugh if i ever hear a black person say whites owe them reparations. They are about to have a 1/2 black president &&&& They have taken over a majority of US sports (hell Tiger is the highest paid golfer) and white people pay them millions to watch them have fun playing ball. White youth all over the country mimic hip hop culture with their music or style."

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"HUR:I heard there was an orgainization with the same purpose but for white people. what was this group called again?? hmmm... oh yeah the KKK but those people are evil bad racists and NAACP is a rightous orgainiazation fighting a gov't of white people that holds them back. oh wait a second the next president is half black."

Yup. He went there.

re: AIDS

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"HUR:I don't do heroin; have gay butt sex; or fuck black girls. So i'm not that worried...."

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"HUR: African Americans should be grateful for the sacrifice their ancestors made for them in order to provide them with a substantially better life than if they were living in Africa where civil wars and diseases like AIDs plague the land. I would say Japs or were interned during WW2 and the remaining remants of the native american population have more of a right for reparations than today's black population. Besides many already receive kind of a form of reparation its called their weekly welfare check"

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"HUR:these cash payments already exist... they are called welfare payments and affirmitive action"

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"HUR:My friend is an english teacher; he can attest to the fact that among his "less privileged" blacks any that attempts to make a contribution to the class discussion or gets a good essay grade is teased by his peers for trying to "be white". This is unfortunate but no amount of Bridget coddling will prevent this. Sink or swim. Although, many of these kids would be better off on a "vocational" tract at this level. Where they could learn a skill beyond basketball, drug dealing, or rapping (preferred subjects chosen to write about by these students when my friend ask them to write about a career they are interested in); since a majority have no need for the college prep environment most schools default to in modern day. "

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"HUR:I do not know what the fucking problem but some of my nearby townhouse neighbors (one is two doors to my right; the other is a couple houses diagonally to my left) have increasingly been double parking in their parking spots with the intention of taking up a visitor parking space. "Coincedently" these neighbors have been of similar ethnicities ... In my opinion they are just asking for their cars to get fucked with. If they are so concerned about someone dinking their car or if they want their own private visitor parking than perhaps they should be buying a house with the money they current use to lease their cadillac or put chrome spinners on their 92 chevy cavalier."

7/8/2015 12:11:13 AM

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"What is so wrong with not wanting to be offensive? Is it really that harmful to you to try you best to not offend other people? Especially if it's a large group of people. Is it that hard to go "hey I've been doing this for my whole life, and to me it's not an offensive thing, but I understand it's pretty shitty for you to have to deal with it, so maybe I'll just keep it to myself or keep it in close company from now on" "

There's nothing wrong with this, it's generally how functioning societies work.

Just dismissing things as people being too sensitive makes people feel divested of their responsibility to try and be decent citizens in a functioning society.

7/8/2015 12:12:56 AM

re: getting pulled over for a BS reason

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"HUR:ya i felt like a black person in 1955 Mobile Alabama"

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"HUR:The only reason this story has any air time is because the media is trying to play on the "ZOMG DISCRIMINATION, COP HITS POOR INNOCENT BLACK WOMAN". Give me a break this is not the 60's. I'm sure the cop would have responded the same if it were a white/asian/arab/vulcan/jawa woman"

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"HUR:imho the black community does more to continue the "racial divide" and perpetuate racial tensions that would otherwise smoothe out and nearly does not exist between other races in this country. They preach equality and at the same time demand special treatment in certain legal matters like "hate crimes", expect economic opportunities to be handed to them via Affirmitive Action instead of solely by merit, and often are just as racist as the whites they banter about as being bigots."

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"HUR:I do not see why it is so far fetched or considered racist to consider the possibility that the normal distribution of certain races may be shifted to the right when it comes to attributes like intelligence. Different evolutionary pressures may easily have played a factor in say making North East asians better at technical or logical reasoning skills that perhaps were not necessary for survival in sub-saharan Africa. Would anyone argue that black athletes do not tend to be faster or jump higher than their white companions On Average."

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"HUR:I truly think there is more racism among whites in this country not b.c they are tired of welfare queens or have it inherently built in passed down from one generation to the next; but instead due to all this double standard, extreme political correctness, and all the excessive framing done by the Al Sharpton types to turn racially neutral news stories into ones with some hidden racist spin."

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"HUR:ZOMG Michelle Obama depicted as a monkey blow the mother fucking horn RACISM!!!!!"

on topic!

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"HUR:So are you asserting that the civil war was not about states rights???? It is a sad day when the federal system has worked its tentacles so far into the classroom and history books that the majority of educated adults have a convoluted view of the past."

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"HUR:You mean people enslaved by their fellow africans after rival clan conflicts; which were conviently located on an easy trade route for trade ships going between europe and north america. Skin color had nothing to do with it and was merely an unfortuante by-product of the ensuing slave epic. Slavery is wrong but get your facts straight. Whites did not start maurading the coast of Africa looking for blacks to kidnap in order to throw them on the slave ship."

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"HUR:An individual at my company is african american, an ivy league grad, and one of the directors of the company. My post is no way shape or form that one race is better than another. Theoretically though I do not see why it is unreasonable, taboo, or racist to hypothesize that each demographic population has certain strengths and weaknesses that enabled them to excel in each's characteristic environment. "

Ahhh there's that classic 'I know a black guy' defense

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"HUR:Nonetheless I had to be at the bus stop 20 mintues earlier, then when i was older had to drive 5 miles further in order to "add diversity" to East Meck. Stupid idea. If minority parents are upset that they believe the white conspiracy is "holding back" their predominantly black schools than why do they not move to an area where their kids can go to the majority white schools."

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"HUR: If they are so angry about the "whites" holding there great great great great grandads in slavery then they can go back to Africa."

re: NCSU LGBT center

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"HUR:Why do fags need $$$$ in order to sit around and discuss gay issues. I have the same feeling towards the already created "african american" center in Wintherspoon. Soon the asian community will want a asian center the mexicans a mexicans center we might as well make a straight center for all the straight students to discuss shit"

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"HUR:From my observation members of the african american community are more racist then most white people"

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"HUR:really was Africa that much better before colonialism???? Before europe came into power they were running around chucking spears at each other and it was the native AFRICANS that sold their AFRICAN brothers into slavery. Perhaps Jesse Jackson should petition Ghana for reparations instead of the US gov't for the enslavement of his ancestors."

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"HUR:Not to condone slavery or imply the ends justify the means but I think these members of the "African-America community" should respect and be grateful for the strengh of their ancestors to survive through the struggles of slavery which gave their descendants the chance they have today to succeed in our modern day country. What would be the alternative? The chance of getting caught in the instability, civil wars, and other ongoing problems like AIDs in Africa."

7/8/2015 12:13:03 AM

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"I think the same. I think the confederate flag being flown on government buildings is, in a way, a form of treason. You are showing support to a country that opposes your own. If some redneck country boy wants to fly the flag from his truck, he has every right to do so because of our wonderful 1st amendment. But that isn't going to stop me from thinking he is a piece of white trash. "

I think almost everyone in this thread feels the same way. To my knowledge, no one has advocated for the government banning individuals from having the flag, we are just in support of the government removing it as a positive symbol from state property.

I guess people are arguing on whether the flag represents slavery/racism, which seems like it would be obvious considering most people want it removed from state grounds, but only 25% of whites view it this way.

7/8/2015 12:15:57 AM

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"this is kind of a bigoted attitude, honestly. it seems likely to me that in large part, he's probably just celebrating his heritage and culture. this symbol has probably been dear to him for his whole life - I don't blame him for not wanting to surrender it just because there's now a big movement to regard it as offensive."

I understand what you are saying. Asking someone to stop displaying a symbol that means so much to them is a lot to ask. However, I sort of wonder, if the confederate flag is the only symbol that person has of their heritage maybe they are missing out on other things.
My family has been in NC since the 1740's. I have ancestors that were known patriots during the revolution, I also have ancestors that fought for the Confederacy. The ancestors that fought for the confederacy never fought under what we know as the confederate flag. For me to fly that flag, that represents nothing of my heritage. /
In fact, my dad was just talking the other day about how he can't remember that flag really ever being flown when he was growing up. He grew up in Catawba County in the 60s and 70s. It wasn't until much later that the flag started getting popular.

I can join the DAR and the DCV. I feel like both of those are much better ways to show my pride in my southern heritage than to display a symbol that my black friends would find offensive. I display my pride in my southern heritage by showing my pride in my ancestors. How would flying a flag that did not represent any of my ancestors show my pride in my southern heritage?

Flying the confederate flag is completely acceptable legally, but socially I think it is not. Legally, you have every right to display it, socially people are going to judge you (either good or bad). I, while I try not to judge others, do tend to look at people displaying the confederate flag in an unfavorable way. I feel that they are not truly representing their southern heritage.

7/8/2015 12:19:19 AM

^
Word, you're right - the Confederate flag doesn't represent "heritage" in any strict sense. But what it DOES represent is what you might call "classical Southern culture," the lifestyle that's glorified by country music - hunting, tobacco-chewing, beer, pick-up trucks, guns, a closeness to the land, proficiency in wilderness-skills; and probably above all, a pride in this way of life, and refusal to bow down to more "refined" folks.

Admittedly, I could probably include "racism towards black people" in the list above, but there's a lot more to it than that. Anyhow, if you've grown up with this flag as a symbol of your lifestyle, I'm not going to judge you if you decline to renounce it.

7/8/2015 12:33:18 AM

synapse really cares about HUR

and it is definitely a strawman

[Edited on July 8, 2015 at 12:36 AM. Reason : .]

7/8/2015 12:36:11 AM

Can you do it with a strawman?

I'm asking for a friend.

[Edited on July 8, 2015 at 12:46 AM. Reason : ]

7/8/2015 12:46:07 AM

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"just dismissing things as people being too sensitive makes people feel divested of their responsibility to try and be decent citizens in a functioning society."

Absolutely. We don't want to be told, don't do that because it will offend someone. We want to be able to make those choices on our own.
I'm sure most people know the feeling though of being told that the emotions they are feeling are unjustified. When you are upset about something that seems like a big deal to you and is dismissed by others, it seems really shitty. All you want is someone to sympathize with you, they don't even have to offer you a solution, they just need to realize that you feel the way you do because that's how you are. It feels really bad when someone knows that you feel a certain way and they tell you to suck it up. I am sure everyone has felt this way at some point in their life.
That's how I feel about the confederate flag. There is a group of people that are saying that this symbol really offends them, it makes them feel like there is still a racist tone to the south. It makes them feel uncomfortable. It can put fear in them. Telling them to get over it is pretty insensitive as a human being.
We are very lucky that we live in a country that will not stop us from displaying those symbols that mean so much to us, but I do think that a government building should not proudly display a symbol that does have such negative connotations to such a large population of people.

I also think that while some people may seem hypersensitive, others are on the exact opposite of the spectrum and will display symbols, regardless of their meaning, just to demonstrate their rights. Just like the guys that go out while open carrying a firearm. Someone calls the police and says "hey I feel uncomfortable about a guy walking through my neighborhood with a gun, can you go check and make sure he's cool" then the guy acts like a dick and freaks out and posts the video on youtube saying that his 2nd amendment rights were infringed...it's like come on dude, they cops were going to take your gun away from you, they just wanted to make sure that you weren't some deranged killer about to go cause a mass murder! You have every right to do what you are doing, but you don't have to be a dick about it.

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"Word, you're right - the Confederate flag doesn't represent "heritage" in any strict sense. But what it DOES represent is what you might call "classical Southern culture," the lifestyle that's glorified by country music - hunting, tobacco-chewing, beer, pick-up trucks, guns, a closeness to the land, proficiency in wilderness-skills; and probably above all, a pride in this way of life, and refusal to bow down to more "refined" folks. Admittedly, I could probably include "racism towards black people" in the list above, but there's a lot more to it than that. Anyhow, if you've grown up with this flag as a symbol of your lifestyle, I'm not going to judge you if you decline to renounce it. "

I do get that it represents the "good ole south" I really truly do get it. I went to high school in Catawba County around the same time that there was a huge push to start banning Dixie Outfitter clothing in the schools. At the time I thought it was bullshit that it was even considered to be banned. I was very lucky in that the school I attended was a very diverse school, ask BlackDog. Living in a diverse community you tend to not think about racism in the same way as living in a not so diverse community. At my high school, for the vast majority of people (including the black students) the confederate flag was not a symbol of hate. We even had black students showing up to school wearing dixie outfitter clothing just to say that they don't care. It wasn't until I got out of that community and saw the effect it had on other black people that I started to see what the symbolism for that flag was.

I now live in Carteret County (my birthplace), a very very white community. 80% of the people in the county are white. I work at a surf shop during the summer and we sell shoes and other accessories that come in camo. I think nothing of it, but also living in a summer vacation spot a lot of people from out of town and out of state come and vacation here.
The other day I was trying to help a father and his son find shoes that fit the son. His son was in the awkward stage of too big for kids shoes but too small for adult sizes. I found a couple pairs of shoes that fit his son but the kid didn't like them (they were not soft enough, they were too orange, basically spoiled kid stuff). In talking with the dad I found out they were from NYC. No big deal, we get people here from up there very regularly.
Well, I kept looking for shoes that fit his son, and I found a pair of Sanuks in his son's size. They were camo. The dad was horrified that I even suggested the shoes. Honestly, I thought nothing of it. He said "you will never get a girl wearing those shoes." So in my moment of wtf I said "well around here some girls like it." He said "well you don't want a girl that likes a guy wearing camo."


Ok I give up trying to make the point I'm trying to make. In all honesty I am pretty drunk right now and I can do nothing but ramble on and on and on and on. Sorry folks!

7/8/2015 12:57:35 AM

Haha, the best of HUR's, nearly 50, racially-centric quotes has to be:

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"This is not 1956; I think most people... today [have] more of a problem with a particular person's mindset versus arbitrary skin color."

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7/8/2015 1:27:34 AM

Either I really butt hurt syanpse or he simply has no life. I'm pretty impressed though he took all that time to summarize every post that may have "offended" someone.

BTW I still think the reaction to the alleged "TP noose" was ridiculous. Someone found what looked like a TP noose laying in a bathroom stall. The next thing you know NCSU is spending time, money, and press releases vowing that a full flown investigation will be done to find and expel the perpetrator. At the same time one of the minority groups, dunno could have been NAACP, is publicly denouncing the act and demanding action.

For fuck sake maybe some kid was contemplating suicide and created a noose. Remembering correctly there was absolutely no other racial connotation that in any shape or form would imply that the noose was a threat against black people.

^ I don't think that is racist at all and is the truth. You would have to be pretty dense to not see the impllication of impressionable white youth in rural turning on the TV seeing blacks looting Baltimore/Ferguson or seeing black disproportionally smeared on TV for violent offenses and not logically correlate how this could instill racist tendencies. Sure there are socio-economic factors and frustrations that lead to much of these protests and crimes but to some 17 year old in rural SC it doesn't matter.

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7/8/2015 1:36:57 AM

http://townhall.com/columnists/jonsanders/2007/11/16/all_the_noose_thats_fit_to_flush/page/full

This pretty much sums up the "noose incident"

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"Civil rights are endangered worldwide. In Saudi Arabia, a woman who was kidnapped, beaten and gang-raped has been sentenced to 90 lashes for being alone with a man not related to her — then sentenced to 200 lashes and six months in jail for speaking to the media about her original sentence. In Venezuela, police fired on crowds of students protesting the increasingly dictatorial power of President Hugo Chavez. And in the United States, at my alma mater, North Carolina State University, someone found a noose made out of toilet paper. He didn't flush it. Oh no. At a large research university boasting some of the highest minds in America, the discovery in a small maintenance bathroom of one-ply bum fodder bent in the form of a noose is a Very Big Deal. It is most definitely a Civil Rights Crisis. It could very well be a Criminal Act. Chancellor James Oblinger said as much in his statement to the campus – yes, a T.P. shape merits the attention of the leader of the largest public university in the state of North Carolina – announcing that it "could be someone's idea of a prank or it might constitute a crime." Black activists angrily denounced the chancellor's response shockingly insufficient. The News & Observer (N&O) of Raleigh reported that "students said they want to hear university leaders making fiery speeches condemning racial hatred." At a meeting of the campus branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, students said the T.P. noose "should have gotten as much media coverage as the (Duke) lacrosse incident." Oblinger was blamed for not understanding the gravity of the situation because he "hadn't had anything happen to him just because he's a white man.""

Lolz what was the Chancellor have a forensic team sweep every crevice of the stall and then polygraph all employees with access to the building. Obviously a scrap of TP, for which there was nothing further to insinuate racial intentions, is as serious as a woman being gang raped by Duke lacrosse players or that it turned out to be a lie (after ruining the lives of the key 3 defendants).

[Edited on July 8, 2015 at 2:11 AM. Reason : A]

7/8/2015 2:11:21 AM

This thread is sad and reads like a pamphlet on how to spot paranoid sychophrenia.

7/8/2015 8:03:38 AM

Those pasted quotes wouldn't be out of place on Storm Front. God damn. Straight up bell curve and eugenics..

7/8/2015 8:57:56 AM

HUR.....kill yourself please, I promise you I will never respond to another of your shitty posts.


Now to everyone who isn't a racist, bigoted, moron with the mindset of a 1800's slave trader. What do you think of this.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/republicans-plans-filibuster-amendment-derail-confederate-flag-bill

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7/8/2015 9:08:41 AM

I think at this point, they could probably get 2/3 of the house to vote for cloture. Hopefully a non-issue.

7/8/2015 10:04:31 AM

Occasionally things get testy between these guys, but at the end of the day, it's all love, y'all.



Pug love, guys. It's a model for us all.

7/8/2015 11:25:33 AM

Just admit it BlackJesus you are racist...

White lives matter!

7/8/2015 11:28:28 AM

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"the lifestyle that's glorified by country music - hunting, tobacco-chewing, beer, pick-up trucks, guns, a closeness to the land, proficiency in wilderness-skills; and probably above all, a pride in this way of life, and refusal to bow down to more "refined" folks."

that's not what country music is about.

that's what shit-tastic bro country is about.

7/8/2015 11:59:39 AM

"So about poverty in Black America..."
"Stop bringing up the past!"
"Let's at least take down the racist flag."
"IT'S OUR HISTORY! GRRR!"

:-|

-@BreeNewsome

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