LOL if that's the case how come the pro-Lowe posters like adder, Bullet, BigEgo and yourself post in the credibility thread that is for talking about his coaching issues? All BigEgo can ever say is credible.

Every time someone posts anything against Lowe, there is always an excuse. He needs more time, he needs his players, he needs a PG, wait till next year, look at recruiting, lack of talent, we can't argue anything without people like you saying we are anti-NCSU and horrible fans. That is why there is a divide. It's become Herb Sendek v2. People on either side are not going to budge.

3/8/2010 2:06:16 PM

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"for one thing we had a better season than UNC. they, even though over ranked, were exptected to finish in the top of the league with all the McDowell's burger boys on their team."

UNC was picked to finish at or near the top of the league. They finished near the bottom.

We were picked to finish dead least...we finished next to dead last...BUT BEHIND UNC.

UNC beat us twice, beat better teams, and played a much tougher schedule. The only thing we have over them is that we BARELY have a better overall record while playing a MUCH WEAKER out-of-conference schedule.

Therefore...UNC has had the better season...not by far...but it was clearly better. It's almost like arguing which shit stinks the worst, but you are the one making the argument.

You would be correct if you were saying "UNC has had the most disappointing season", because they were projected to finish higher. But we still had the shittier year (so far...I guess we could make a run in the ACC tourney and end up having the better season).

I'm not arguing we should can Sidney because of another well-below average year. I'm definitely interested to see how next year ends up. I'm just saying we shouldn't be sugarcoating the finish to another bad year. We beat Miami (the only team shittier than us in the ACC), Wake Forest (playing some of the shittiest basketball in the ACC right now...they did get beat handily by UNC AT HOME), and Boston College at home (a team that is only one game better than us in the ACC) to end the season.

That's pretty much playing like an 11th place team in the ACC...and that's what everyone is calling the "high point" to our year.

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2010 2:06:50 PM

packboozie take your shit to the credibility thread

Heaven forbid someone have a different opinion on Sidney Lowe than the "all knowing boozie"

Did it ever occur to you that most people do donate to athletics and support the University financially? They just don't feel the need to blab about it all over the internet in an effort to establish credibility for themselves.

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2010 2:07:28 PM

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"LOL if that's the case how come the pro-Lowe posters like adder, Bullet, BigEgo and yourself post in the credibility thread that is for talking about his coaching issues?"

credibility is both ways...praise or criticism...more of a discussion...this is just the Rally behidn Sidney thread

3/8/2010 2:09:35 PM

That's not the point. I don't care if people have different opinions. I am not rallydurham. Anytime I say something like Scott Wood is playing 30 minutes and gets no rebounds the only answer is "Sidney knows what he's doing!" Sidney is above criticism from several posters. We get beat by 20 and we can't post anything negative.

3/8/2010 2:10:16 PM

post as much negative stuff as you want

in the appropriate thread

but more importantly...post negative stuff during our 7 game ACC losing streak...not at this point of the season when we're arguably playing our best ball in years

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .........................]

3/8/2010 2:10:44 PM

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"We get beat by 20 and we can't post anything negative."

That explains why game threads are 20 pages when we lose and 5 pages when we win then...

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"Sidney is above criticism from several posters."

He is also above praise from several posters boozie.

3/8/2010 2:16:13 PM

we're not allowed to criticize Sid because he has a ring

3/8/2010 2:17:26 PM

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"He is also above praise from several posters boozie."

Bullshit. I was fucking ecstatic when we beat Duke and won at FSU.

3/8/2010 2:21:07 PM

damn that went right over your head hahaha

3/8/2010 2:21:42 PM

What posters haven't given him any praise?

I figured you were referring to me.....

3/8/2010 2:23:06 PM

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"Anytime I say something like Scott Wood is playing 30 minutes and gets no rebounds the only answer is "Sidney knows what he's doing!""

you lie boozie.

3/8/2010 2:33:23 PM

I don't think you'll ever understand your perception around here boozie.

You're so overly negative it's comical. Folks have tried to rationalize with you and explain shit over and over, but you just continue to spew negativity and say things about our players and team that even our worst enemies in the sporting realm wouldn't say. The credibility watch thread became such a train wreck that a new thread needed to be created for normal people to actually discuss our coach and team. Welp, here come's boozie to try and ruin this thread now.

Get a grip man, it's just sports. We all want to win, but damn man keep it in perspective. It's ridiculous how wrapped up in this shit you are.

Stop being such a clown.

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ,]

3/8/2010 2:33:50 PM

hey everybody, tracy smith made the 2nd team all ACC!

3/8/2010 2:39:29 PM

^This thread is for rallying around our coach. Get that crap out of here.

3/8/2010 2:49:52 PM

3/8/2010 2:55:28 PM

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"^This thread is for rallying around our coach. Get that crap out of here."

sidney is responsible for tracy's development.

3/8/2010 2:56:10 PM

I'll give him that.

Now if he only worked that same magic with the rest of the team...

3/8/2010 3:27:51 PM

He does good with power forwards. Must have been his playing experience. Too bad he wasnt a PG.

3/8/2010 3:32:59 PM

Just wait til he gets a PG with lots of talent and a high ceiling!

3/8/2010 3:37:41 PM

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"Welp, here come's boozie to try and ruin this thread now."

Yeah man I ruined it by responding to TreeTwista10's insults and trolling!

3/8/2010 4:51:32 PM

Sorry boozie, i should have cross-thread-quoted my comment about you into the Credibility thread to keep things in order

I just wonder why you were looking at the Rally thread in the first place. Maybe our little 3/4 win 'streak' has changed your mind about Sidney?

3/8/2010 4:53:10 PM

This is where all the talk is taking place. We are playing the best ball in years man! We can beat BC and Miami now! Rally time! We might make the NIT now!

For serious, I know you're not going to like this, but this is how we should have been playing all year. We should have beaten UofA w/o Tracy, beat UF, and at least one win against UVA and UNC. Those 4 /5/6 games would have made a different season.

3/8/2010 4:57:49 PM

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"We are playing the best ball in years man!"

you might have posted this in jest, but theres some truth to it

And I agree with your 2nd point, I guess I just didn't get as bent out of shape as you did when we didn't play like that

Although at the same time, I looked at games like Florida as "damn what a tough loss" where you might have looked at them more pessimistically like "we shouldn't have been in that position in the first place"

3/8/2010 5:00:00 PM

^^ so you are saying that a few tough games away (where a few of them literally came down to some (un)lucky shots or some poor calls) from being happy with the season and what Lowe has done?

3/8/2010 5:06:14 PM

2 games were "lucky shots" but we still should have won.

And yes if we had beaten UVA/UNC at least once plus those two games I would be happy.

But we are talking about 4+ games here. 21-10 (7-9) and we would be on the bubble with GT.

3/8/2010 5:09:18 PM

shouldve won: Florida, Arizona, Virginia (x1), UNC (x1)

couldve won: GT road comeback, Clemson home comeback

shouldve lost: Duke (FSU? MARQ?)

3/8/2010 5:11:23 PM

count me in for the 8-8 acc record next year. it will be the rally.

3/8/2010 5:11:55 PM

Boozie: The reason the credibility thread died is you (and donbeebe) had the same arguments over and over again. Simple logical counter arguments were made and you would blather on about "knowing more about basketball" and "having season tickets" because you had no coherent response. That shit gets old so everyone left the thread.

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"For example, Imagine if we had played BC and Miami twice? Hell if you look at our overall record it puts us at 9th in the league as well so all in all I think it is pretty fair to acknowledge being tied for 9th in the ACC." Good Lord adder are you serious again? Who says we win at BC because we never do. Did you forget that we only played Duke the TOP team once at home? Why do you bother?"

Yeah I think we would have had a much better chance playing BC & Miami twice than we did playing Wake Forest, VT, Maryland. I guess my comment about ACC schedules not being equal was too difficult for your superfandom to fathom.
I would like to thank you for is for continuing to support Lowe and Fowler financially...

3/8/2010 7:06:48 PM

If you are addressing the scheduling issue to me, I am totally against it. It's unfair each year to someone. I mean we play Wake and UNC twice and they are two of the better programs. I think we should just play 22 conference games and play nothing but Winthrops and NC Centrals OOC and maybe the Big10 challenge. I hated it when the ACC added BC, VT, and Miami.

3/8/2010 7:10:50 PM

Considering I quoted your response to my post yes I was addressing you and I am in complete agreement "round robin" (gay ass term) was the only way to go...

3/8/2010 7:14:36 PM

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"I think we should just play 22 conference games"

Conference expansion has its pluses and its minuses

I agree but its never gonna be like that again

3/8/2010 7:19:46 PM

Great news, we are a projected 8 seed on the NIT bubble now on nitology.com

We finished the regular season ranked 67th in kenpom, that is easily 30-40 spots higher than I thought we'd finish this season coming into the year.

If you aren't impressed by the season Sidney put together with that roster then you don't understand college basketball, sorry.


Take your blithering comments elsewhere.

Everyone said last year "I'd rather suck with players who gave effort than watch this shit anymore". Guess what, we gave great effort nearly every game this season. We completely overwhelmed Duke for god's sake who is arguably the best team in the country.

Take the negativity elsewhere this is the fucking rally thread.

If we can pick up a win Thursday we have a great shot of getting in the NIT. We should have pretty good fan support and Clemson hasn't done well in the tournament historically (besides last year).

They are a tough matchup for us but if they don't shoot well from the outside and we plug in Howell to match up with their size we have a shot to steal a win and add a little more egg to boozie's face.

3/9/2010 7:00:36 PM

I agree with your Howell comment completely. I really think he is key to our chances against clemson (that and our guards not shitting the bed against their press). I said at the beginning of the season I would be ecstatic if we made the NIT.

3/9/2010 7:18:41 PM

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"If you aren't impressed by the season Sidney put together with that roster then you don't understand college basketball, sorry."

Did he get ACC COY or something? Or are you confused with Kellie Harper? Now she did an unbelievable job this year. What exactly has Sidney done so great? We better give Clemson a game.

[Edited on March 9, 2010 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ^^Yeah Clemson is so much more talented than us! ]

[Edited on March 9, 2010 at 8:19 PM. Reason : BTW "this roster" is his group so nowhere to place blame]

3/9/2010 8:12:51 PM

come on now boozie.

what are you trying to accomplish with a negative post like that?

@ this point in the season, and knowing that sid will be back next year?

why do you want to have the same argument over again?

enjoy the tournament, calm down over the off-season, and hope that next year will be better.

you have to admit that next year does look much better on paper than it has in quite a while.

we'll see what happens.

3/9/2010 8:33:26 PM

quoting myself for boozie's sake again.

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"You seem to lack perspective. Do I like State losing? no. Did I expect them to lose by double digits? Yes. I am a mature enough fan person to understand that what I like and what is likely to actually happen are sometimes two completely different things. In this case I expected to lose by double digits and not really be competitive against one of the most talented teams in the ACC. To be competitive in this game was unexpected and positive. To be moaning and bitching about losing this game is simply illogical and actually quite stupid. Even you admit you didn't expect state to win. It is very likely you were surprised that state was as competitive as they were in this game. IN FACT it could be said that *gasp* State EXCEEDED YOUR EXPECTATIONS! Oh but wait it is way cooler to be jaded and negative."

Boozie honestly answer this question. Overall did state:
A. Fail to meet your expectations
B. Meet your expectations
C. Exceed your expectations

3/9/2010 8:57:09 PM

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"We completely overwhelmed Duke for god's sake who is arguably the best team in the country. "

There is no argument here. Anyone that watches basketball can tell you Duke is not the best team in the country. Hell, they may not even be the best team in their conference. The only reason they are #1 in kenpom is because Coach K plays his starters 40 minutes a game when every other coach in the nation with a brain pulls his starters with 2 minutes to go in blowouts, thus hurting their scoring margin

3/9/2010 8:57:27 PM

i was just scanning PP and was reminded of something.

after last season (and the season before), many people were saying they'd be happy if the team showed some effort, looked like cared about winning, hustled, didn't quit...

i think this team played different this year. as a team, for the most part, they didn't quit, they continued to hustle. they looked more like a team, like they cared, like they were gaining momentum. of course, that 7-game losing streak was painful, but even then, we really didn't give-up.

3/9/2010 9:24:21 PM

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"If you aren't impressed by the season last 4 games Sidney put together with that roster then you don't understand college basketball, sorry."

This is the type of ball they should have been playing all year. Keep it up Sid. These players can compete in the ACC.

[Edited on March 9, 2010 at 11:16 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2010 11:15:50 PM

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"We completely overwhelmed Duke for god's sake who is arguably the best team in the country. "

When did rally become a troll??

3/10/2010 12:06:38 AM

lol at Duke being arguably the best team in the country

you could argue they're not even the best team in the conference

3/10/2010 12:08:55 AM

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"A. Fail to meet your expectations"

Year 4 and 11th place ACC finish. Fail. Next question. But, but, but we were predicted to come in 12th!

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"This is the type of ball they should have been playing all year. Keep it up Sid. These players can compete in the ACC."

Ding! Absolutely no reason for our team to lose get blown out two games to UVA this year.

3/10/2010 1:05:14 AM

Come on boozie, at least give us T-9th in the conference

We lost the head to head tiebreakers to UVA and UNC but we had a better record

We are tied for 9th

According to NITOlogy, UNC is a 6 seed, we are an 8 seed, and UVA is waaaaaaaay down on the bubble...not that its a be all end all, but that site effectively has us at the 10th team in the conference...actually the 9th since BC is ranked even lower, probably due to expected fan support

[Edited on March 10, 2010 at 1:12 AM. Reason : .]

3/10/2010 1:09:51 AM

^^ So given our roster at the beginning of the season you expected us to finish better than we did? Please re-read my post about being realistic. I really don't see a significant difference in how we were playing over our last four games we just finally got to play consecutive games against some of the worst teams in the ACC. Everyone was looking forward to finally getting to play BC and Miami for a reason...
The wake win was unexpected but so were the Duke/ FSU wins.

[Edited on March 10, 2010 at 8:37 AM. Reason : adsfasfd]

3/10/2010 8:36:28 AM

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"We lost the head to head tiebreakers to UVA and UNC but we had a better record"

We've gotten in this argument in another thread....but I would say that we're better than UVa (really hard to say considering that they beat the shit out of us twice like UNC...but they REALLY dropped off at the end of the year) but not better than UNC.

3/10/2010 8:45:22 AM

i've placed a moratorium on myself from saying bad things about lowe until February of 2011. If we aren't fighting for a spot in the top 2/3rds of the ACC and at least on the bubble, I won't be happy.

I still don't follow recruiting, but you people better be right about next year.

For now, we have one more game, maybe 2 but 4 at max I predict.

3/10/2010 8:56:12 AM

^^I'd argue that we had a better season than UNC, even with the 2 losses to them. UNC got blown the F out in the majority of their losses, while we were really competitive in all but a few games and had victories over better teams than they did.

3/10/2010 8:59:56 AM

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"Ding! Absolutely no reason for our team to lose get blown out two games to UVA this year."

God this is a fucking troll post. We did not get blown out by UVa in both games. In the first game, we had a damn 10 pt lead in the 2nd half. We went into a patented scoring drought and UVa hit every damn FT down the stretch to make it into a bigger point differential than it truly was.

In the 2nd game against UVa, they pulled away in the 2nd half because our shooting was just pain horrible. You can call the 2nd game a blowout, but you are a fucking idiot if you think the first game was a blowout.



[Edited on March 10, 2010 at 9:23 AM. Reason : dgf]

3/10/2010 9:22:47 AM

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"I'd argue that we had a better season than UNC, even with the 2 losses to them. UNC got blown the F out in the majority of their losses, while we were really competitive in all but a few games and had victories over better teams than they did."

They also beat Ohio State and Michigan State. Those pretty much trump any of our wins (even Duke). And they swept us...easily.

I don't see any way you can say that UNC didn't have a better season than us. More disappointing by their standards...but better than us.

[Edited on March 10, 2010 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

3/10/2010 9:29:27 AM