I think indy was saying that the list with the exclusion of the last entry was objectively accurate.

8/19/2010 11:06:39 AM

^ Yeah, I just wanted to get 'em all right.

8/19/2010 11:11:17 AM

What's a good term for people who believe that a particular religion is the embodiment of terrorism?

8/19/2010 1:52:02 PM

[Edited on August 19, 2010 at 1:52 PM. Reason : ]

8/19/2010 1:52:02 PM

republican

8/19/2010 2:02:11 PM

what is a good term for people who dont discourage people of their own faith from acting like tool bags?

8/19/2010 2:14:22 PM

Pretty much every religion?

8/19/2010 2:33:23 PM

yeah. what do you call those people?

I should clarify and add murderous tool bags.

8/19/2010 2:37:33 PM

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"What's a good term for people who believe that a particular religion is the embodiment of terrorism? "

I dont know anyone who says average muslims are the "embodiment of evil". Your trying to spin the topic.....

Let me fix this for you...

What's a good term for people who identify that muslim fundamentalists and militant muslim groups account for the majority of terrorist acts over the past decade?

Factual..realist..

Seriously, any level headed person would agree that putting a mosque next to groud zero is legal, but its just poor taste. Thats why the majority of the people oppose it.

8/19/2010 2:38:14 PM

The founder of the mosque is currently on a trip to the middle east, sponsored by the State Dept, to promote religious tolerance. He is, in fact, doing exactly that: telling muslims to stop being terrorist dicks, and America is super cool.

8/19/2010 2:39:33 PM

^^ why is it in poor taste?

Why is a community center with a religious twist in poor taste?

^ facts only harden dumb people in their dumb opinions: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/?page=full

[Edited on August 19, 2010 at 2:45 PM. Reason : ]

8/19/2010 2:42:41 PM

^^^Level headed people don't associate the whole of a religion with the acts of it's desperate minority. Technically, the majority of attacks (not taking into account the size of each attack) that occur in this country come from radical Christians.

oops, used another fact.

[Edited on August 19, 2010 at 2:47 PM. Reason : .]

8/19/2010 2:46:59 PM

lol, did you just try to use crazy Christians as an example of how religious people are generally OK?

See? Crazy fucks from my religion do crazy shit too! Quit hatin' on moderate Muslims! lol

[Edited on August 19, 2010 at 2:56 PM. Reason : lol]

8/19/2010 2:50:15 PM

1. not my religion
2. nope, not justifying extremist christian behavior; just pointing out the hypocracy

why you always be missin my points dogg, you want me to paint a target?

8/19/2010 3:35:29 PM

Ahhh, my apologies.

8/19/2010 3:48:53 PM

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"Seriously, any level headed person would agree that putting a mosque next to groud zero is legal, but its just poor taste an election year, so fuck 'em."

8/19/2010 6:43:51 PM

I have no problem at all with a mosque being built in that location. I do have a problem with people making it an issue based on nothing more than that, and also a problem with the means by which they seek to stop it.

That said, I also have a problem with some of the rhetoric spouted by the cleric of this mosque, and the fact that it's 2 blocks from the WTC site only aggravates that.

8/19/2010 6:48:50 PM

You know, I'm all for debating, but the fact that this is still an issue - and getting hours of attention on network television - is fucking pathetic. There are more important things going on in the world right now. This is being used as a distraction.

8/19/2010 8:43:22 PM

very true. this debate is tired and very cut and dry. if the builders want to build, fine.

8/20/2010 8:07:17 AM

local issue.

8/20/2010 8:30:04 AM

I think that this nation-wide poll is relevant to this thread:



[Edited on August 20, 2010 at 8:35 AM. Reason : ]

8/20/2010 8:35:31 AM

More mosque opposition, only these have nothing to do with the sites, more to do with the fact that people hate and fear what they don't understand:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/nyregion/11mosque.html?_r=2

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html?pagewanted=all

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100809/pl_yblog_upshot/mosques-around-the-country-facing-opposition

http://www.wsmv.com/news/24171038/detail.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100808/ap_on_re_us/us_mosque_opposition

8/20/2010 8:41:29 AM

^^Yep.

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8/20/2010 9:37:32 AM

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"“Wouldn’t you agree that every terrorist, past and present, has come out of a mosque?” asked one woman who stood up Wednesday night during a civic association meeting on Staten Island to address representatives of a group that wants to convert a Roman Catholic convent into a mosque in the Midland Beach neighborhood. "

lol

boy when i define terms like Sarah Palin does, isn't it funny that this one thing means this other thing?

8/20/2010 9:41:31 AM

Wat?

8/20/2010 9:59:50 AM

receiving transmission from idiot conservatives: terrorist =def muslim

WOAH GUYS ALL TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS THIS SEMANTIC RULE IT TELLS MEH SO

8/20/2010 10:36:28 AM

This just in: Stupid people are stupid and often say things which are factually incorrect. Flim at 11.

8/20/2010 11:06:11 AM

Yeah that sounds like a great reason to downplay the dangerous xenophobia and racism our country is currently exhibiting

8/20/2010 11:47:27 AM

Dangerous? Come on bro.

I'm much more concerned at the incessant media pump and the glazing over of other problems (BP, for instance) going on than stupid people.

8/20/2010 11:55:31 AM

I'm not trying to downplay shit. But your statements are just obvious:

"idiot conservatives think that all terrorists are muslim"

What does this add to the conversation? Is anyone in this thread agreeing with this statement?

8/20/2010 12:28:58 PM

Hmm yeah nothing dangerous about throwing out all of our ideals and tolerance

8/20/2010 12:28:59 PM

so SMUG

8/20/2010 12:33:25 PM

So now being tolerant of immigrants is being smug? I'll be smug if that's the case. You can be an un-American, petulant little shit-bird.

8/20/2010 12:47:01 PM

McDanger's List of Bigots

David Paterson
Harry Reid
Howard Dean
54 percent of Democrats polled
70 percent of independents polled
70 percent of Americans polled
Every conservative on TWW, in the world, and that ever existed
Anyone who disagrees with McDanger about the mosque
Some Muslims*

* http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13004401

8/20/2010 2:06:07 PM

you're getting better and better at the strawman

8/20/2010 2:16:00 PM

^ Actually, that's not the case at all. McDanger called them all bigots--I'm just trying to keep the list updated.

8/20/2010 2:17:12 PM

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" jeremyscahill RT @KagroX: I think they should take 9:10 and 9:12 off of clocks, because they're too close to that hallowed time-ground. "

haha

what an awesome tweet

8/20/2010 2:34:58 PM

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"Level headed people don't associate the whole of a religion with the acts of it's desperate minority. "

thats the point I was making....

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"Technically, the majority of attacks (not taking into account the size of each attack) that occur in this country come from radical Christians."

Good to see the divert attention to Christianity method is still alive a well....

Lets see.......In the radical Islam corner we have 9/11, the recent army killings, the London bombings of 2005, the commuter train bombings of 2004 in Spain, the Taliban, the numerous actions of Hezbuollah, Al-Qaeda, the failed attempt at the bombing of Times Square, the Armed Islamic Group of North Africa...and this is just what comes to mind immediately. For a complete list, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism

Please provide the evidence for the majority of attacks that occur in the US and around the world due to radical Chrisitans. Just the "facts" please......

8/20/2010 2:35:11 PM

^ Don't forget the '93 attack on the WTC, in which several people were killed and major damage was done, and the deadly and damaging USS Cole bombing. Both happened on Clinton's watch--I wonder what the Democrats did to anger radical Muslims so?

8/20/2010 2:41:07 PM

I'm sorely disappointed that forth-coming Mosques all over the country are also encountering resistance now. It's like people just realized that mosques existed in this country; all-of-a-sudden our anglo-christian paradise is under attack.

Edit: ^^ If you were making that point, then you wouldn't have described the mosque as being "in poor taste". Also, I pointed out that christian terrorist attacks "in this country" outnumber muslim ones. Anti-abortion incidents alone establish that.

[Edited on August 20, 2010 at 3:09 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2010 2:53:21 PM

Quote :

"Please provide the evidence for the majority of attacks that occur in the US and around the world due to radical Chrisitans. Just the "facts" please......"

How about foreign military intervention perpetrated, supported, and made possible by Christian extremists?

8/20/2010 3:24:58 PM

I agree.

8/20/2010 3:38:58 PM

Always good to find common ground

8/20/2010 3:43:29 PM

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"I'm sorely disappointed that forth-coming Mosques all over the country are also encountering resistance now. "

Do you think people in the US would have a higher opinion of the muslim religion if they showed a little compassion and didnt build a Mosque beside a place where islamic extremist killed thousands of Americans?

I dont believe any of your data around Anti-abortion incidents. Please provide if you have it but I will say this. I hope you realize that "christian terrorist attacks "in this country" outnumber muslim ones", and calling America a "anglo-christian paradise" are likely related. From your own words, you say the volume of Christians in the US far outnumber the muslim population and then rant about how christian attacks out number muslim attacks in the US. You have to weight the data.

8/20/2010 4:04:12 PM

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"How about foreign military intervention perpetrated, supported, and made possible by Christian extremists?"

I'd say keep trying.

8/20/2010 4:09:44 PM

There have been at least a dozen involving arson, bomings, and/or murder. Just google or wiki anti-abortion violence. It's been on the news enough throughout the past two decades to be common knowledge.

The proportion of Muslims to Christians in America doesn't matter since the vast majority of islamic terrorism that occurs in the USA is not home grown.

8/20/2010 4:52:24 PM

I like where this thread is going. It's like a race between Islam and Christianity to see who sucks the most.

8/20/2010 4:54:50 PM

You shouldn't. I mean, if this is a race between a global mass movement of Islamist imperialism and a dozen or so deranged anti-abortionists, then there's really no race at all; all you've really got is a half-baked attempt to change the subject.

8/20/2010 5:01:38 PM

Don't get me started on the atheists...always vandalizing the nativity scenes. Worst people ever.

8/20/2010 5:01:49 PM

Quote :

" Quote : "Technically, the majority of attacks (not taking into account the size of each attack) that occur in this country come from radical Christians." Good to see the divert attention to Christianity method is still alive a well.... Lets see.......In the radical Islam corner we have 9/11, the recent army killings, the London bombings of 2005, the commuter train bombings of 2004 in Spain, the Taliban, the numerous actions of Hezbuollah, Al-Qaeda, the failed attempt at the bombing of Times Square, the Armed Islamic Group of North Africa...and this is just what comes to mind immediately. For a complete list, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism"

So the way to fight radical islam is to condemn and ostracize the reasonable muslims, of which the vast majority in the US are?

If your reason for hating this mosque is because muslims are too violent, then you are working against your own goals. The most logical thing for you to do would be to support moderate muslims in the US. Unfortunately, it seems you are choosing to side with terrorism in this situation.

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"Do you think people in the US would have a higher opinion of the muslim religion if they showed a little compassion and didnt build a Mosque beside a place where islamic extremist killed thousands of Americans? "

Now you are just being dishonest. You know damn well™ that people have been opposing mosques all around the country recently. It has nothing at all to do with where these people are building this particular mosque/community center. Americans like yourself, and many others, don’t understand what America is really about, and they don’t understand why we are often morally superior to the mid-east countries. You are taking a position that makes the US look no better than them, instead of the logical, rational position that is embodied in the spirit of the first amendment of the Constitution.

8/20/2010 7:26:18 PM