it's like trying to argue with Skip Bayless

5/18/2011 10:04:42 PM

Did you guys ever attend high school? Did the smartest girl win prom queen or even valedictorian? Of course not.

Let me make this clear. Derrick Rose was not the MVP this season. No one in the entire world, even Derrick Rose's mom would take Derrick Rose #1 overall in a draft where they had to select the best basketball team in the universe.

He is what he is. A really good point guard on a great team.

Why do people have an obsession for voting for really good players on great teams? I don't know... maybe it makes them feel good about themselves.

If the Steve Nash MVP's were indefensible (which we all agree they were) then obviously the D.Rose MVP is indefensible.


Sure, he won't go down as the WORST MVP in NBA HISTORY because believe it or not Allen Iverson (of all people) actually won an MVP one year when no one was paying attention to things like statistics and they voted based on shoe sales.

Live in your fantasyland and I'll live in reality.

5/18/2011 10:05:52 PM

i never went to high school, but i do know that relying on stats is an easy way to bend an argument any way you see fit.

5/18/2011 10:08:56 PM

I rely on truth and you rely on what your mind thinks.

I'll take truth 100 times out of 100.

Your mind didn't take Grizzlies over the Spurs, and mine didn't either. But there's a reason I bet on the Grizzlies and you didn't.

You can try to resist math all you want, but it's better than you are because it isn't corrupted by bias, anomalies, and randomness the way you are.

[Edited on May 18, 2011 at 10:17 PM. Reason : a]

5/18/2011 10:15:52 PM

Quote :

"when no one was paying attention to things like statistics and they voted based on shoe sales."

this year the voters were paying attention to the only statistic that matters: wins

forgive me for being an ignorant sports fan who thinks more highly of a player who wins games than a player who puts up more efficient stats while losing games

5/18/2011 10:16:39 PM

This face fella might be a genius. I tell you the truth!

5/18/2011 10:17:18 PM

I'm not a genius. Just a messenger. I'm not the one putting in the work, I'm just relaying it.

Do with it what you will.

5/18/2011 10:18:53 PM

Kevin Love was the most valuable player in the NBA for efficiently leading his team to a great record, a mere 48 games under .500

5/18/2011 10:19:27 PM

Kevin Love was definitely amongst the league leaders this year.

Any argument against Kevin Love as the MVP identifies you as a basic fan.

So be careful here.

5/18/2011 10:20:26 PM

those stats are truthful, not inclined to bias, randomness, or anomalies. and face says he should have been mentioned for MVP.

how valuable is a guy who can put up numbers but your team can't win shit? i'm talking strictly in the sense of an MVP

[Edited on May 18, 2011 at 10:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2011 10:21:51 PM

Any argument for Kevin Love as the MVP identifies you as a fantasy basketball fan

Love wasn't even valuable enough to get his team the #1 pick in the rigged draft lottery

5/18/2011 10:21:58 PM

I'm with face strictly because my all-time favorite player Andre Dawson won an MVP on a last place Cubs team.

5/18/2011 10:23:40 PM

Riddle me this:

If Derrick Rose is the MVP of the NBA... why is he not that effective in games?

5/18/2011 10:23:52 PM

you have a warped definition of effective

if the Bulls come back and win this game, against MVP snubbees Lebron and Wade, will you agree that winning a game is the most effective and valuable thing you can do for your team?

5/18/2011 10:24:47 PM

Before you argue agaisnt Kevin Love being in the MVP argument, make sure you acknowledge he had the worst teammates in NBA history.

At least gain some credibility here by admitting that his teammates were the lowest ranked team of all-time and without him were expected to win FOUR games all season.

If you can acknowledge basic truths, maybe you have hope.

5/18/2011 10:26:00 PM

If Derrick Rose wasn't MVP, why would the crowd be shouting MVP.

QED

5/18/2011 10:27:09 PM

I'll agree 100% that Kevin Love had a great year, deserved to be an all star, didn't have anything to work with, and is nationally underrated

I will also say that you're retarded for suggesting anyone be considered for the MVP when your team wins 17 games

5/18/2011 10:28:49 PM

no.

Im not saying give the MVP award to Love for being a great player on a piss poor team.

But why on the flipside would you give Rose the award for being a good player on a great team?

Think about that.

Why not just give it to a legitimate MVP like Howard?

5/18/2011 10:30:29 PM

Haslem looks pretty good tonight according to the TNT crew. Any chance we could retroactively make him MVP?

5/18/2011 10:30:51 PM

i wouldnt have any problem with Howard winning the MVP, he was a worthy candidate

so is Rose, i dont understand why you dont realize that truth

5/18/2011 10:31:11 PM

because rose is a good player but not a great player. yet.

5/18/2011 10:33:35 PM

face seriously why the fuck do you care so much about who wins MVP? do you realize people are trolling you? do you just like the fucking attention?

5/18/2011 10:34:38 PM

No, I just tell people the truth. Its one of my "things" where I tell truths and respond to people who worship false idols.

Its the same reason I tell the Obama Church they are wrong. I dont need to convince them they're wrong now, I just want them to feel it later.

5/18/2011 10:36:19 PM

the truth like Miami winning 72 games and Washington winning 9

your truth was only off by a margin of 28

you were only off by 17%

5/18/2011 10:37:07 PM

and I won $1,400 off that truth. Feel it, man.

5/18/2011 10:38:31 PM

Best bench player looking like a real stud tonight: Mike Miller - 2 pts. 2 rebounds. 2 fouls

5/18/2011 10:38:48 PM

yes, you gamble and seem to do very well. i fail to see how this translates to the MVP discussion.

5/18/2011 10:39:26 PM

too bad you're gonna lose $200 on your Dallas/OKC truth

although that was just hedging your bets to guarantee you'd be right about something

5/18/2011 10:39:59 PM

it is a little weak for the mvp to be shooting 42% in the playoffs and that number is kind of compounded by the fact that he's taking like 30 shots a game, it was just a fairly weak year for mvp candidates in general, I said I would have given it to dirk if the mavs had done a little better record wise and the bulls a little weaker and at least I look a little smart for that since he's been the mvp of the playoffs

5/18/2011 10:46:35 PM

I don't "lose" by taking a +300 bet that should be +200.

I dont claim to be a 8 figure nigger by the name of jigger. But I can handle a $200 swing in my networth for value.

I hit 6 figures before I turned 30. Did you?

And that includes 6 years of college where I put beer & pussy ahead of success.

And even now I still put beer #1.

So I'm going to get high and watch this last matrix movie after D.Rose blows another Bulls win.

Get off my knutesac.

5/18/2011 10:46:58 PM

Rose is taking this game over so far in the 4th though, lets see what the MVP is made of

5/18/2011 10:47:10 PM

all this other bullshit aside, i am enjoying watching this game.

looked like Taj might have gotten away with basket interference

5/18/2011 10:47:29 PM

Quote :

"I don't "lose" by taking a +300 bet that should be +200."

if you lose a mere $200 by making a bet because you disagree with someone on a website, you lose at life

5/18/2011 10:52:06 PM

don't worry he made 6 figs before 30, if you haven't you can't possibly argue in his realm

5/18/2011 10:53:51 PM

i made a bet that 33% of the time returns +$600. 67% of the time it loses $200.


So i gained $200 worth of value by taking that bet, playboy.

5/18/2011 10:54:57 PM

Are either of these teams planning on scoring again this game?

5/18/2011 10:55:59 PM

fake MVP candidates like Wade are bleeding like fake MVPs like Nash

5/18/2011 10:56:18 PM

Guess the refs swallowed their whistles for the 4th, good lord this game is physical

5/18/2011 10:59:03 PM

Horrible plays by Rose. Just 1 on 1 bullshit

5/18/2011 11:06:34 PM

fuckin Lebron

5/18/2011 11:07:14 PM

If all it takes to be NBA MVP is be a good player on a great team then there would be 2,000 MVP's in only ~60 seasons of professional basketball.


I'd hate for my kids to look at an NBA history book and say "I want to be the next Allen Iverson or Derrick Rose"


---- This post brought to you by people who care about above average NBA PG's winning NBA MVP awards -------

5/18/2011 11:09:16 PM

Iverson and Rose are "above average" basketball players

Kevin Love and Nene Hilario are "elite" players

5/18/2011 11:11:24 PM

Kyle Korver is a useless piece of shit.

5/18/2011 11:13:07 PM

If I had to blast how I feel right now to the worldwide nation I would say this:

Quote :

" Ten years Yo the sun don't shine forever But as long as it's here then we might as well shine together Better now than never, business before pleasure P. Diddy and the Fam, who you know do it better? Yeah right, no matter what, we air tight And when you hear somethin, make sure you hear it right Don't make a ass outta yourself by assumin My music keeps you movin, what are you provin? You know that I'm two levels above you baby Hug me baby, I'ma make you love me baby It's ten years and we still runnin this motherfucker "

I'm betting the Bulls two stacks above you baby, high two drugs above you baby, two nuts on your lady. and for lunch I will prepare 96% lean ground beef on my foreman grill with fat-free cheese and granulated salt & pepper shakers. (ice water prepared in a filtered brita container).

5/18/2011 11:18:29 PM

P Diddy is dope............

5/18/2011 11:22:42 PM

i love how all the people on the radio were saying the series was over after the first game, and that the bulls were gonna take it easily. idiots

5/18/2011 11:23:25 PM

Quote :

"anyone know of a stream of the game?"

tnt.tv

5/18/2011 11:29:24 PM

this thread is worthless. face had a great, acute prognosis for game one and then follows game two with some rap lyrics. I'M OFF TO DISCUSS THIS WITH MY WHITE SOX MESSAGE BOARD.

5/18/2011 11:30:51 PM

this thread is unreadable at this point. this series is gonna go 7.

5/18/2011 11:31:23 PM

*facepalm*

5/18/2011 11:35:12 PM