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"Trump is an actor playing to the crazies of the base Carson is legitimately one of those crazies"

I agree.

I don't think Trump believes in this crap and it seems apparent that he is merely just playing to his audience.

11/10/2015 11:54:52 AM

Trump's quote...

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"“Maybe we should boycott Starbucks. I don’t know,” he said. “Seriously, I don’t care.”"

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"The 'seriously, I don't care' was probably an indication that the previous statement wasn't to be taken too seriously"

I disagree; I think he was just giving himself a bullshit out if someone calls him out for what he said. Like his John McCain war hero quote:

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"He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured...Perhaps he's a war hero, but right now, he's said bad things about a lot of people"

To the extent that I've been keeping track, Trump seems to have a pattern of making an outrageous claim and following it up immediately with a softer claim that he likes to focus on should he be called out on the initial comment. The most famous example:

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"When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists...And some, I assume, are good people!"

11/10/2015 6:10:42 PM

Trump just referenced Operation Wetback.. clearly trying to consolidate that Hispanic vote.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

11/10/2015 9:39:13 PM

We need to stop taxing workers. Stop penalizing people for making money. Instead, we should...tax people who don't make money?

11/10/2015 9:58:21 PM

these moderators are completely powerless

11/10/2015 10:07:17 PM

lol trump just went on a long rant about how tpp is just china taking advantage of us.

"somebody might wanna tell him china isn't part of this deal"

11/10/2015 10:13:57 PM

the fact checkers are having fun with Trump's comment about getting to know Putin when they were on the same 60 Minutes episode

11/10/2015 10:37:52 PM

So can anyone explain the current "issues" with the economy that the republicans always bitch about???

Unemployment is low...
CEO's have never been richer...
The DOW is at record highs..
Real Estate, unless you live in the rust belt or suburbs of a gentrifying city with no population growth, has bounced back...
I don't think effective tax rates have increased for anyone on the federal level since bush...

Does Trump plan to buy everyone a F150 if he's president or are we all going to be in the 1% if Chris Christie were elected.

11/10/2015 10:51:35 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/10/well-be-annotating-the-gop-debate-here/?postshare=91447214022330#annotations:8176760

There's a good annotated transcript. It will be interesting, no matter who wins, to see the general debates, they couldn't use most of their talking points.

11/11/2015 12:04:31 AM

^^Too much big government regulation is good for big businesses and the rich while it is strangling small businesses and the middle class.

Last night's debate had as much populism as i've ever seen from the party. From big bank bashing, to bashing of corporate accountants avoiding taxes. Big business was the bad guy almost as much as Obama last night.

11/11/2015 9:43:45 AM

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"Does Trump plan to buy everyone a F150 if he's president or are we all going to be in the 1% if Chris Christie were elected."

F that, I'm not voting for a Ford man.

11/11/2015 11:12:56 AM

^^gotta win the populist appeal. I doubt most will do much when push comes to shove.

Gotta play the part to trick blue collar white Americans to vote Republican

11/11/2015 3:07:34 PM

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"Big business was the bad guy almost as much as Obama last night."

Big Business wasn't the issue brought up last night, it was "crony capitalism". I would think even the most liberal of TWW would agree that the government shouldn't be imposing laws that will protect only large organizations at the expense of open competition.

^That's pretty cynical. What happened to all of the Hope and Change?

11/11/2015 4:36:27 PM

I only saw snippits, but is Rubio really taking an anti four year college position? what a douche, and fact check was pretty brutal last night

11/11/2015 4:47:01 PM

I like that automation was brought up, but the responses were no different than what republicans have been saying for 20 years... more trickle down nonsense.

[Edited on November 11, 2015 at 4:52 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2015 4:51:55 PM

carson cited tithing in the bible as support for his fair tax system. "if a person makes 10 billion and pays 1 billion in taxes then its only fair that a person who makes 10 dollars should pay 1"

11/11/2015 5:57:03 PM

^ that was a bit of double speak though, because he talked about a prebate for people making less than ~36k. It's standard "fair tax" type plan that shifts the tax burden to the middle class.

Just saw this debate got 12 million viewers compared to more than 23 million for the previous republican debates.

[Edited on November 11, 2015 at 6:26 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2015 6:26:31 PM

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"What happened to all of the Hope and Change"

Everything including the economy appears to be moving full steam from my observation....

The only hold up from more progress is the GOP blocking everything on Obama's agenda even if it is the right thing. The only thing I don't agree with is all this PC bullshit

11/11/2015 7:13:37 PM

Carson's Syria response:



The guy doesn't seem to be able to help spouting baseless conjecture.

[Edited on November 11, 2015 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/11/2015 7:33:48 PM

He's a surgeon. Why on earth would we expect him to have any semblance of a clue on foreign policy?

11/11/2015 9:13:27 PM

^True, but's a general problem with the entire process. Any of these guys are only going to have deep knowledge of 1 or 2 things, and they probably don't know much more than anyone else for the other aspects, and probably less than some people here. I kind of chuckle at their back-of-the-napkin tax plans that would obviously never work... a 3-page tax plan? Really Fiorina? She should know better. Not sure how they think the biggest economy on earth, the richest country, and probably the most pivotal economy to the world, is going to tolerate a little smacking around with half-assed tax plans. The debates really are useless, we need something else.

I think we should make them work together on a "group project" on TV, i think we'd learn more about the candidates that way than these debates.

11/11/2015 11:11:21 PM

Just caught where Ben Carson described our slavery driven economy as an "atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk-tasking and capital investment". I'm guessing he's just saying this because he knows his supporters won't question it. He doesn't seem to make any effort at all to incorporate facts into his viewpoints. It's almost surreal how he just says well articulated platitudes and no one questions him... and he's the GOP frontrunner.

11/12/2015 1:20:34 AM

I don't think you get it. They want a bad tax plan because they don't want taxes. They want to break the government because they don't like government. If they have a terrible tax plan that doesn't bring in revenue then guess what they have to do? Cut government programs. Oh wait, thats what they want to to do in the first place.

Keep everyone scared so that military can't be cut then you have to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, planned parenthood, obamacare, food stamps, education and all that other stuff that relies on public funding which they always complain about.

11/12/2015 10:07:44 AM

Doesn't Herman Cain win the award for proposed shortest tax plan for his index card plan?

Or is there one shorter?

11/12/2015 10:45:31 AM

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"Just saw this debate got 12 million viewers compared to more than 23 million for the previous republican debates."

The first debate was pure spectacle. Nothing new or interesting has happened since. Plus a debate that's just about economy (even though ~30 minutes of it was about immigration) isn't as appealing to the average TV watcher.

11/12/2015 12:28:42 PM

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"Keep everyone scared so that military can't be cut then you have to cut medicare, medicaid, social security, planned parenthood, obamacare, food stamps, education and all that other stuff that relies on public funding which they always complain about."

Too bad this whole crusade for being PC is alienating independent and moderate voters who we need to vote -D to subvert the Republican agenda to accomplish all the above.

11/12/2015 12:59:18 PM

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"He's a surgeon. Why on earth would we expect him to have any semblance of a clue on foreign policy?"

I guess the same way we would expect a community organizer with a few Senate votes under his belt to have any semblance of a clue on foreign policy.

11/12/2015 2:06:09 PM

it all goes back to him for you, doesn't it?

11/12/2015 2:13:21 PM

No, he's just a great example.

Hillary? I bet she knows a shit ton about foreign policy, despite her crappy record as SoS. She still would make a shitty president though.

But you can't stand where you stand and accuse anybody of not being fit for president due to their lack of experience, if you voted for our current president.

That was always my biggest beef with him during that initial election.

11/12/2015 2:40:42 PM

Obama was a state senator for 7 years and a US senator for 4, you can certainly compare that to a surgeon with no public office experience or a hotel owner with no public office experience (fiorina also has no public office, but at least she has experience in politics), or a state solicitor for 5 years and US senator for 2, or a US senator for 4 years

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 3:01 PM. Reason : so yeah, actually it's fine to criticize Carson's lack of experience ]

11/12/2015 2:59:28 PM

except for the fun fact that he was an elected official on both a local, state, and then national level

11/12/2015 3:00:26 PM

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"I guess the same way we would expect a community organizer with a few Senate votes under his belt to have any semblance of a clue on foreign policy. "

I'm always tickled at all the moaning and bitching about Obama's "lack of experience," I've heard several people even used the nick-name of "Junior Senator" in a derogatory way, yet the two top candidates for the GOP nomination have 0 political experience. I guess we could group Fiorina in there to make it 3 of the top 5 candidates (unless you count Fiorina's failed state level office attempts after being fired from HP).

Lack of Experience only matters if there is a -D next to your name.

11/12/2015 4:53:39 PM

I'm ignoring Trump, Carson, and Cruz. They don't exist to me. I just find it funny some of the things Democrats are saying about them, and how I think some of it could be applied to people that they've either voted for, or put up to run.

11/12/2015 5:48:00 PM

I'm not totally opposed to Trump. Carson and Cruz are loons, puppets to the moonbat crazy right-wing conservative bible thumping base...

For fuck sake Carson thinks the pyramids are ancient grain silos for the Israelites lol

11/12/2015 5:49:59 PM

^^ none of it could, actually

since neither of those first 2 have ever been elected to office

[Edited on November 12, 2015 at 5:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/12/2015 5:50:05 PM

Surprised i haven't seen much commentary on Fiorina's "let the states manage high risk pools". This would either result in states doing ROmneycare or drastically expanding medicaid.

11/12/2015 10:34:42 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/12/donald-trump-delivers-95-minute-rant-on-everything-thats-wrong-in-this-race/

Trump had a carson melt down... i can only see this being good for Carson.

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"And yet Carson is doing well in the polls, Trump said in disbelief. "How stupid are the people of Iowa?" Trump said. "How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?""

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 12:46 AM. Reason : ]

11/13/2015 12:45:28 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

Last post tonight... I think Carson would be a tough fight for Hillary. I think people are drawn to his blind confidence in himself, and Hillary trying to pick him apart on the issues just won't work. His calm demeanor is going to make her look shrill, and independents will go Carson.

Then there's this...

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"According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney"

11/13/2015 1:51:02 AM

Haha.

His campaign slogan should be "Romney to the Rescue"

I'd vote for him in a primary. Toss up between Romney and Bush Jr Jr

11/13/2015 11:05:43 AM

That wont hurt trump. Individual iowans will feel smarter by hearing masses being called stupid. This is calculated. People voting for carson already werent voting for trump si it works.

11/13/2015 11:35:47 AM

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"Last post tonight... I think Carson would be a tough fight for Hillary. I think people are drawn to his blind confidence in himself, and Hillary trying to pick him apart on the issues just won't work. His calm demeanor is going to make her look shrill, and independents will go Carson. "

Are you serious? Anyone with half a brain and isn't a bible-thumper conspiracy theorist believing in the alleged Liberal Media conspiracy would not be attracted to Carson unless they had some direct economic interest that resonated with something in his platform.

11/13/2015 11:52:55 AM

Carson has the highest favorability and lowest unfavorability among all americans, of the GOP.

11/13/2015 12:43:39 PM

Isn't it too late for Romney to jump in?

[Edited on November 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM. Reason : lol only 3% have no opinion on trump]

11/13/2015 12:45:47 PM

^^ That's why when people start dropping Trump isn't going to gain any support in the polls

11/13/2015 2:22:03 PM

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/donald_trump_portrait_made_from_500_pictures_of_dicks_nsfw-ish

11/13/2015 6:14:44 PM

I don't care how "conservative" you are. How could anyone with a bit of intelligence really vote for someone who thinks the pyramids are ancient grain silos for the Israelites.

11/13/2015 7:22:19 PM

carson is playing "gotcha" with the media at this point. saying stupid shit so that the media can jump on it so that he can say "see how the media twists my words"

trump went on his rant then the media asked carson how he felt about being called a child molester and carson then defended trump against the media for only comparing him to a child molester and not calling him a child molester. they both win if they can blame it all on the media.

11/14/2015 4:36:42 AM

Carson can't blame the media for crashing and burning today on Fox News:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7BOKNp_WXA

11/15/2015 9:14:30 PM

That weirdo needs to stop closing his eyes so much when he speaks, especially at the beginning of his responses.

11/15/2015 9:23:57 PM

^^ ha that's pretty bad. So it seems like asking Carson to answer questions in a way that is grounded in reality is his weakness.

11/15/2015 10:12:32 PM