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irony:

"Democrats are intentionally destroying democracy. They all knew Biden was infirm. But they waited till after the primary to acknowledge someone would need to succeed him. They waited till the people no longer had any say in who the Party would nominate. In other words, they waited till there wasn’t any shred of democracy involved in picking the leader of the Democrat Party."

6/30/2024 6:41:17 PM

I’m sure that was a big hit with all of the right wing olds on Facebook

6/30/2024 7:31:15 PM

https://reut.rs/3VKzv3A

This article is just damage control but I think this is actually what happened. Biden’s thoughts seemed to be jumping between what he wanted to say and the factual points and zingers his team told him to say. If the next debate happens I’m hoping he can learn from this

6/30/2024 9:26:49 PM

I had to give a presentation at the end of a summer internship back in 2005, and our presentation was the last one on the second day right before the CEO's closing remarks. They were very strict about time limits. As such, to say everything we needed to say, we memorized a script. I had it down. After the first day of presentations, our project sponsor decided he didn't like some of the things other groups did and said, so he had us make a bunch of changes at the last minute the night before presentation. This of course required revisions to the script. During the presentation, coupled with the audience pressure and time pressure, I got elements of my two memorized scripts confused and kind of froze up and trailed off when I realized I did it. And I was 21, not 81. So, it's not an excuse, but I can understand how this can happen even when one still largely has control of their faculties. Trump was spewing a nonstop torrent of bullshit and bile, that should have been expected and unsurprising, but was still jarring and difficult to counter in real time. Since it seems like Biden is holding on to the nomination like grim death, hopefully they can at least be a little better prepared and offer more natural responses if there is another debate in September.

6/30/2024 10:19:11 PM

biden was sundowning, 9PM is too late for a lot of people with dementia

https://www.webmd.com/alzheimers/manage-sundowning

[Edited on July 1, 2024 at 6:43 AM. Reason : d]

7/1/2024 6:40:16 AM

Blaming staff is such a dumb thing to do

7/1/2024 7:42:53 AM

How do you guys feel about a replacement if Biden voluntarily steps down? It seems like a better look than the party forcing him out.

Jill needs to step up. Also, the fact that Biden is being so stubborn about running also just goes with the "too old" theme.

7/1/2024 8:06:17 AM

It needs to be Harris. You can't just throw the first female, first black VP like that. You also need to establish continuity with the Biden administration, otherwise you're just kind of admitting it was a failure.

Harris has better favorability than Biden (by 2 pts, but still), can handle a campaign, can get pick someone like Cooper as VP.

Newsom/Whitmer/et al are all young enough to endorse that ticket to avoid the primary fight and just run in 2028.

7/1/2024 8:23:42 AM

Eric Swalwell for Pres

7/1/2024 8:38:06 AM

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"You can't just throw the first female, first black VP like that."

I mean, you could, but there's only one alternative and Michelle Obama has made it very clear she won't run for office. (This is only half joking. Michelle Obama at the top of the ticket wipes out any damage done by Biden resigning and Dems win in a rout.)

Biden's not going to drop out. If he did, it'd have to be Harris. I think she could win, though she'd have to play it smarter than she has in the past and pick a hell of a good running mate.

But since Biden won't drop out, he and his team and really the Democrats as a whole need to change their strategy. It's impossible to correct all Republican lies and nonsense; they can generate it faster than you can disprove it. They're flooding the zone with bullshit. So just say, "Pretty much everything he just said was a lie, and we don't have time to go through all of them. Instead let's talk about the parts that are true, the thing he says he wants to do, and why those things are bad for you."

And whenever Democrats aren't doing that, they should be saying, "This election is a choice between a criminal who wants to destroy democracy to enrich himself, and a man who has been in public service for decades."

7/1/2024 10:00:31 AM

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"Blaming staff is such a dumb thing to do"

Except for the staff who instructed Biden to go out there and stumble and stammer and look old. Those folks probably should be asked to leave.

7/1/2024 10:26:55 AM

I think it's a given that Harris would at least make it closer than Biden and have a better impact on the downballot races.

7/1/2024 10:47:37 AM

Harris has a higher ceiling but also a lower floor, as I see it

7/1/2024 12:53:05 PM

Biden's floor is basically zero. Could you imagine the implications of a massive senior moment in October?

7/1/2024 1:09:34 PM

I see what you mean, I made my comment assuming it'll be "as is". What matters more now is the practicality of how it would happen if it did though.

Either way, I need a break from the internet in general. TWW is fine, hearing weird takes in person is fine, but I have always hated misunderstandings, and the sheer amount of outlandish and fallacious stuff I see online, as natural as it is for it to be said out of emotion, is giving me a headache. Like, I disregard it, but you can't just erase stuff from your mind... back to the books. It's all just too 'up in the air', nothing means anything.

7/1/2024 3:48:56 PM

^Summer school?

7/1/2024 6:56:56 PM

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"It needs to be Harris. You can't just throw the first female, first black VP like that. You also need to establish continuity with the Biden administration, otherwise you're just kind of admitting it was a failure."

It was a complete failure. Harris was the ultimate DEI pick: black and has a vagina, and you put her in a job where she doesn't have to actually do anything. That was her role, and she did it well. But let's not act like she was actually popular in 2020 besides having the right diversity checkboxes. It was pure pandering, and everyone knows it.

Throwing the DEI pick straight in completely ignores that even her own party didn't want her in its last primary. This is (unfathomably) a close election, and other than far left loons, no one likes Kamala, and even the loons aren't exactly sure about her, except in a "shit, I got her pregnant, guess I better marry her" kind of a way. Dems and never-trumpers are going to hold their noses and vote for her more than likely, but other than that, she has no appeal to anyone else. Those people aren't swaying the election one way or the other. She's not a centrist, she's not even consistent in her positions whatsoever, other than whatever pandering she needs to do at the moment. She's transparently awful. And that's not going to work on the margins for people who inexplicably think there's a real choice between Orange Hitler and literally anyone else.

7/1/2024 11:45:11 PM

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"Ohio is a non-issue, they got an exception"

For Biden. Not for a random jackleg that the Dems pull out of the bullpen. And the shitstain GOPers in charge of the swing state elections will be more than happy to cry foul and force the issue. And they'll probably win in the courts, too, as the deadlines are quite clear and obvious. Obviously Roberts and his cohort have too much orange semen in their stomachs to do anything about it, either. The reality is that if Biden drops out, the Dems will have to run a write-in candidate, and that will nuke it for Cheeto, as the shitstains will find ANY reason whatsoever to DQ any write-in they can. And even if they didn't, merely having to write "not the fascist" will be enough to tip the scales in a tight election.

All of this ignores the fact that an open convention will be a 1968-style shitshow for the Dems. The loons will be out in full force and demand their own inane candidate, and it'll be fucking chaos. These idiots are foolish enough to think that Hamas are the good guys in murdering, raping, and burning people alive, and they won't pass up the opportunity to push the issue at the Convention, all so they can guarantee the election to a guy who has promised to give Israel an unequivocal blank check.

We are so fucked

7/1/2024 11:50:31 PM

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" and other than far left loons, no one likes Kamala, and even the loons aren't exactly sure about her, except in a "shit, I got her pregnant, guess I better marry her" kind of a way"

you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about

7/2/2024 1:35:34 AM

^she got exactly zero delegates when she ran for president four years ago

7/2/2024 7:17:20 AM

^^I have yet to come across anyone who views Kamala in a positive light. Perhaps you should reach outside your bubble. Every Democrat I’ve spoken with regarding the VP has made a comment to the tune of “we’ll take her if we have to” or “I guess she’s our only other option so….”

7/2/2024 8:20:49 AM

She has +2 approval/favoriability over Biden, +4 when it comes to voters under 30.

Perhaps step outside your bubble

7/2/2024 9:10:01 AM

She would lose, BIG time.


No one wants her as the nominee. I don't think SHE wants to be the nominee.

We thought Biden was bad at that debate, imagine Kamala.

7/2/2024 9:37:18 AM

Are you kidding? You think Harris would have done worse than Biden staring slackjawed into space and rambling how he beat Medicare?

Harris wasn't fantastic in the group debates, but came away from the Pence debate with higher ratings

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/harris-pence-vp-debate-poll/

7/2/2024 9:46:54 AM

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" have yet to come across anyone who views Kamala in a positive light. Perhaps you should reach outside your bubble. Every Democrat I’ve spoken with regarding the VP has made a comment to the tune of “we’ll take her if we have to” or “I guess she’s our only other option so….”"

way too completely miss it

dude thinks the “far left” are fans of Harris. they never have been a fan of Harris.

perhaps you should reach outside of your bubble

7/2/2024 9:51:06 AM

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"Harris was the ultimate DEI pick"

until Trump announces his running mate...

7/2/2024 11:04:02 AM

Isn't the far left already saying they'll sit this one out because if Israel/Palestine?

I would put good money on Harris/Cooper outperforming Biden/Harris. I think there is a way forward where the DNC basically agrees to a ticket in a smoke filled backroom and commits to full primary process in 2028. I think Newsom/Whitmer/Beshear, the ones who want the office next, would be fine with waiting.

7/2/2024 11:05:03 AM

https://prospect.org/power/2024-07-02-campaign-finance-laws-harris-big-boost-biden-dropout-scenario/

seems important

7/2/2024 11:12:55 AM

Biden is already cooked if Dearborn, MI holds the line against him based on Gaza. Many in the Arab community there have been saying they are willing to burn it all down (meaning take a Trump) win because they have had it. If they sit it out or vote third party in numbers at or above 10,000 that may be enough. Nevermind the debate and Biden's sinking ship that is his campaign.

7/2/2024 2:59:49 PM

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"You think Harris would have done worse than Biden"

Absolutely.

[Edited on July 2, 2024 at 3:28 PM. Reason : t]

7/2/2024 3:28:38 PM

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/trump-vs-biden

Trump just hit his biggest polling lead since February and still growing

7/2/2024 3:46:39 PM

^^ Explain how she did well against Pence

7/2/2024 4:22:35 PM

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"Biden is already cooked if Dearborn, MI holds the line against him based on Gaza. Many in the Arab community there have been saying they are willing to burn it all down (meaning take a Trump) win because they have had it. If they sit it out or vote third party in numbers at or above 10,000 that may be enough. Nevermind the debate and Biden's sinking ship that is his campaign."

I certainly understand the dissatisfaction and feelings of abandonment, but is Trump going to be better for Gaza or Palestinians in some meaningful way? It seems like he will be objectively worse.

7/2/2024 4:26:59 PM

Regardless of if democrats will replace Biden, they need to replace all the other 70+ year old leaders in the dnc with younger counterparts. Pelosi, Schumer, and any other old person needs to go. Bloomberg is too old too.

Push Buttigieg, aoc, mark Cuban, anyone else they can get to front and center.

If they could flip Schwarzenegger too that would be a big win. They haven’t shifted into a (figurative) wartime mode yet, hoping the appearance of calm and steady Joe Biden will appeal to people. But that’s clearly not working.

7/2/2024 4:35:23 PM

Trump won't any better but they don't seem to care. That is a big problem for team Joe.

7/2/2024 4:57:22 PM

^^everybody loves Schwarzenegger but he's 4.5 years younger than Biden

7/2/2024 7:27:41 PM

Jim Mattis / Mark Cuban 2024

7/3/2024 1:45:52 AM

I love Mark Cuban

7/3/2024 1:59:55 AM

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"She would lose, BIG time."

She might lose, but I don't think she'd do remarkably worse than Biden, and she might do better.

Certainly she would have debated better than he did in that last bout, for whatever that's worth. She's not a strong speaker, in my opinion, but she's coherent, energetic, and has that prosecutorial approach that would do well against Trump.

As far as the election goes...look, the vast majority of people who would vote for Biden would vote for any Democrat against Trump, particularly another centrist Democrat like Harris. Whatever weird slice of Biden voters who don't like Trump but are racist/misogynist enough to go against Harris would be at least partially offset by excitement around a black/Indian female candidate. So I'm not sure where I see the loss of voters there.

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"Isn't the far left already saying they'll sit this one out because if Israel/Palestine?"

The far left is neither a large nor a reliable Democratic-voting bloc and should not really be taken seriously. Israel/Palestine is an issue only insofar as it impacts Michigan.

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"Explain how she did well against Pence"

The only thing anybody remembers from this debate is that Pence had a fly on his head. That sort of snoozefest would be a big improvement over Biden's performance, which was, unfortunately, memorable.

No, the main risk with Biden withdrawing and endorsing Harris comes from that process, not the candidate. Biden dropping out says, "We've been lying to you about the President's condition." It suggests maybe he should resign due to incompetence. It opens the door to a contested primary which would be messy and alienate some. Those are the problems, not Harris.

7/3/2024 9:00:48 AM

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"The far left is neither a large nor a reliable Democratic-voting bloc and should not really be taken seriously. Israel/Palestine is an issue only insofar as it impacts Michigan."

Yes and no. The far left might be a small block within the party, but they can make things really messy at an open convention. Don't think for one second the GOP isn't chomping at the bit at the possibility of Hamas flags being flown at the DNC, which these fools are absolutely dumb enough to do. If that shit is openly debated or discussed? It's game over.

The GOP is smartly reducing the scope of their platform, both because they have no platform other than whatever Trump tweets, and because they know that the less they say, the better. There core play at this point is to let the Dems implode. Their far left wing might cause that to happen

7/3/2024 10:16:50 AM

https://www.wral.com/story/biden-told-ally-that-he-is-weighing-whether-to-continue-in-the-race/21509199/

Is this really real-life?

7/3/2024 11:12:49 AM

Boy the media is already running with this one, ain't they?

7/3/2024 11:22:21 AM

from the deputy press secretary:

https://x.com/andrewjbates46/status/1808514221832855761?s=46

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" This claim is absolutely false and if we had been given more than 7 minutes we could have communicated this before it was publicized."

that damed Liberal Media

7/3/2024 11:38:51 AM

lol Drudge already had a picture of Kamala up with the headline "IT'S HER PARTY NOW" linking to the same stupid story

then a sidebar that said, "Who will be her running mate?"

[Edited on July 3, 2024 at 12:21 PM. Reason : +]

7/3/2024 12:18:31 PM

[/quote]Don't think for one second the GOP isn't chomping at the bit at the possibility of Hamas flags being flown at the DNC, which these fools are absolutely dumb enough to do.[/quote]

I guess, but frankly that kind of tomfoolery could crop up at the convention regardless of who is running.

My guess is that there won't be an open convention and Biden will run. But if not, I'm doubtful that Harris would have any serious challengers. VP's have an advantage in primaries even under normal circumstances, since running against them entails at least a partial repudiation of the outgoing administration. When talking about the Biden administration, that's tough - not because his policies are especially popular, but because all the ways you could turn on them would play directly to Trump's advantage.

On top of that, Harris is already integrated into the campaign machinery, which already has money, staff, and momentum. Since nobody mounted a credible primary challenge, nobody else has that, or even the beginnings of that. Voters probably aren't thinking about this, but potential candidates are. No matter how ambitious you are, it's gotta be clear that the best you're gonna do is a VP nod from Harris with some conditions about how involved you're gonna be in policy.

Then there's the optics of going up against what we might call the DEI aspect of it.

Then there's the fact that Biden, who above all else does not want Donald Trump to win, would no doubt throw all his weight behind Harris for all of the above reasons and to maintain some continuity with his own administration.

So I'm sure there's a hundred Democrats fantasizing about contesting the primary, but they're gonna think better of trying to unseat a mixed-race female sitting VP who has established campaign infrastructure and the backing of the President and party leadership.

7/3/2024 3:27:01 PM

Like I keep saying, I imagine Newsom/Whitmer/et al also think that Harris/White Governor has a decent shot of losing, which would mean they could run in 2028.

Harris/Cooper remains an ideal pick because I don't think Cooper wants to be President and because of that, their ticket would get more support from 2028 potentials

7/3/2024 6:49:40 PM

Yeah it so has to be Harris at the top of the ticket

7/3/2024 9:15:34 PM

Lol at thinking if dems lose this one that there will be anything happening in 28. Shits over. This is the endgame

7/3/2024 10:32:15 PM

A lot of bad will happen, but hopefully there's still a 2028.

7/4/2024 7:41:28 AM

I mean, I think the year will happen, but the chance of there being a free and fair election at that point will be almost zero

7/4/2024 7:56:26 AM