^ how old are you buddy?

for page 151:

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"Anyway, we're not losing because we play 10. We're losing because none of those 10 can hit FTs.""

We're also going to continue to lose in the ACC because we have averaged less than 70 ppg against a cupcake schedule in the first half of the season because Lowe plays a 10+ man rotation and the team never really comes together as a team.

In all of our games we have these 5 minute or more scoring droughts because we continue to run guys in and out of the line up and they never get into the flow of the game.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 12:50 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 12:49:02 PM

We aren't scoring less and going on droughts because we're playing 10 people. We're scoring less and going on droughts because none of those 10 people are a solid consistent guard. Javi is okay for a limited role, but we'll be much better next year with Harrow and Brown on the court.

1/10/2010 12:53:40 PM

BigEgo, I disagree. I think you'll eventually see Lowe settle on an 8 man rotation and you'll see our scoring go up substantially. Probably sometime in February. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

1/10/2010 12:56:01 PM

I love how you make predictions that will most likely occur anyway despite you're retarded assumptions. Considering how many freshmen we're playing I would be surprised if our scoring didn't go up. But it won't be because of a reduced rotation, it will be because they continue to learn the offense and execute it better.

Stop being dumb and go look at how many players other teams are rotating in ACC play. None of them have gone with less than 9 so far this year. And stop trolling people.

1/10/2010 12:59:56 PM

did anybody see the homemade "LOWE EXPECTATIONS" t-shirt at the game yesterday?

1/10/2010 1:04:26 PM

^^ seriously? You just said my retarded assumptions are going to occur then call me a troll? I'm confused.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 1:08:29 PM

this is by far the longest thread in the history of Sports Talk.

1/10/2010 1:08:34 PM

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"BigEgo, I disagree. I think you'll eventually see Lowe settle on an 8 man rotation and you'll see our scoring go up substantially. Probably sometime in February. Guess we'll have to wait and see."

I think eventually he'll drop Davis and make CJ play some 3. I also predict our scoring will go up, but because guys like Wood, Howell, and Vandenberg are getting experience, not because of fewer people.

1/10/2010 1:14:53 PM

Since we are reposting our arguments from pg 150

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"5 min scoring droughts are a part of NCSU basketball, they happened to be Sendek's calling card while he was here at State. EVERY starting player we have has severe inadequacies and they get subed when the other team starts exploiting those inadequacies. (Smith is to short for a true center, Williams is unaggressive and tends to get caught out of position on D, Wood doesn't box out well, Horner never has had a post game, Javi can be turnover prone gambles for the steal and is a very streaky player who is really bothered by taller guards). As for Painter against WF HOWELL WAS COMING BACK FROM KNEE INJURY (are you really this stupid?). "

And yes as our players get more polished they will score more and we will have our rotation pared down to 9 which is what Sid has stated that he wants.

1/10/2010 1:18:47 PM

^^^^ you are an idiot aren't you? Look up the definitions of assumption and prediction. You predicted scoring would go up, and you also predicted that Lowe would go to an 8 man rotation. Your retarded assumption was that Lowe going to an 8 man rotation would be the reason scoring goes up.

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"Since we are reposting our arguments from pg 150 1-150"

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 1:21:07 PM

The scoring droughts are mainly due to not being able to score easy points from fast breaks on turnovers. At least we are breaking and getting more TOs this year, but we don't have guys who can get easy points out of that.

Most good teams score more because they get easy points. We have to play against a set defense almost all the time. The patented duke or UNC scoring explosion to win the game is due to forcing turnovers and successful fast breaking.

1/10/2010 1:26:55 PM

I'd love for Howell to take the next step in his game and stop with the stupid freshmen mistakes. I'd love if he took Horner's starting spot. When he's in the game, we have multiple low post presences, rebound better, and therefor run more. That'll be key to us scoring more points per game: our freshmen stop doing freshman things.

1/10/2010 1:35:14 PM

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"Can someone find our first conference win? @FSU Clemson Duke @Maryland UNC @Virginia @GT Virginia Tech "

FSU may actually be one of our best chances. They're playing in Maryland tonight with just 48 hours before they play us at their place. They're going to be pretty tired and will have next to no time to prepare.

1/10/2010 1:43:47 PM

No way. FSU is going to destroy us.

1/10/2010 1:44:24 PM

@FSU

IT'S A TARP

1/10/2010 1:46:16 PM

I would like to see howell play better, Some plays run for Wood to get open on the perimeter and for us to throw in a full court press. However realistically I don't see our lineup capable of being a fullcourt press type team and Howell and Wood are freshmen.

1/10/2010 1:48:59 PM

i think we might have been successful pressing UVA yesterday, especially when we were down late in the game .. other ACC teams probably not.

1/10/2010 1:56:33 PM

I think Landesburg would have destroyed us if we pressed. He thrives on scrambles and playing against a team that isn't set.

1/10/2010 2:07:36 PM

maybe, either way we lost by a decent amount.

1/10/2010 2:17:41 PM

How bad do we have to get before some of these defenders will start blaming Lowe?

I don't see how much more it can drop. Did you adder watch yesterday? Embarrassing. UVA sucks.

1/10/2010 2:35:57 PM

^btw, everyone knew this year that wins would be at a premium. Whether its a combination of guard play, coaching, talent, yaddy yaddy ya.....

If you didnt think this then thats your own damn fault


thought this was interesting from statefans:

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" Here's something interesting I saw on another site: Breakdown of recent ACC guards according to Scout.com: Virginia: Landesberg-4 star BC: Rakim Sanders- 4 star, Reggie Jackson- 4 star Clemson: Demontez Stitt- 4 star, Andre Young- 4 star GT: Iman Shumpert- 5 star, Mfon Udofia- 5 star Maryland: Sean Mosley- 4 star, Greivis Vasquez- 4 star, Eric Hayes- 4 star Miami: James Dews- 4 star, Edwin Rios- 4 star, Durand Scott- 5 star VT: Malcolm Delaney- 4 star, Dorenzo Hudson- 4 star Wake: Ish Smith- 4 star, Anthony Gurley- 4 star, Jeff Teague- 4 star, FSU: Michael Snaer- 5 star, Derwin Kitchen- 4 star *Didn't include UNC or Duke for obvious reasons, it's just depressing... We currently have: Javi- 3 star, Julius Mays- 3 star, Farnold Degand- 3 star, Scott Wood- 3 star, CJ Williams- 3 star "

Plz hurry up brown and harrow

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM. Reason : szadf]

1/10/2010 2:43:04 PM

^So basically UVA has one good player?



[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:47 PM. Reason : Why is Teague on there?]

1/10/2010 2:46:11 PM

I watched the entire game and I watched us miss free throws and miss open shots. Should he coach the players on not missing open shots, do you think we are not practicing freethrows? You couldn't ask for much better defense. Until we have a player who can create their own shot we will have loses like this. Do I like it? No. Do I think firing Lowe is the solution? No, because then we start all over again with another coach who is less qualified than the one we have currently. I am encouraged by some things that I am seeing in the program and I don't want to see any progress we have been making destroyed by a fanbase who is derided (rightfully so) by the rest of the nation for our treatment of coaches.
^Virginia has one good guard which is more than we can say

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:48 PM. Reason : ^]

1/10/2010 2:46:33 PM

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"No, because then we start all over again with another coach who is less qualified than the one we have currently."

Not trolling you but how much more unqualified could a coach be than Sidney was? He NEVER was a college head coach and had been in the NBA for years. He didn't even have a college degree.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : V Uhhhh their big men are worse than ours there's no doubt, are you serious?]

1/10/2010 2:49:01 PM

^^^

sure if they have nothing but guards on their team

as far as teague, I guess the missed it but still shows the "talent" of the ACC

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 2:50 PM. Reason : a]

1/10/2010 2:49:26 PM

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"By a coach in his first year at UVA with a lesser-talented team no less. I can't wait to hear the excuses for this one. If anyone tries the talent excuse with UVA, I will laugh hysterically."

1/10/2010 2:52:34 PM

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"and I don't want to see any progress we have been making destroyed by a fanbase who is derided (rightfully so) by the rest of the nation for our treatment of coaches."

#1) There has been no progress

#2) The only people "deriding" us are a few journalist who happen to be friends with Herb Sendek.

#3) The rest of the nation doesn't give two shits about us because Lowe has made us irrelevant

1/10/2010 3:00:13 PM

Umm no coaching experience whatsoever would be a lot worse. A lot of coaches were turned off by our treatment of Sendek (rick barnes) and I for one am so happy we didn't get Calipari because he is about the slimiest person in College basketball right now. We get rid of Lowe we could end up with frickin Levi Watkins as a head coach and we would loose Harrow and Brown. I am waiting to see what Lowe can do with an elite guard (remember what he did with Atsur who wasn't an elite guard at all) until then I am just going to keep my criticism quiet because I don't really need to expand my internet penis by predicting loses and jumping off the deep end when my prediction comes true. Yes we had the more talented front court but Roy Williams can tell you talented front courts don't mean jack shit without good guards.
^ I guess you don't listen to commentators every time we play or ASU plays because they still give us shit. There are still reporters trying to bait Sendek into interviews hoping he will talk shit about our fanbase.
The rest of the nation looks at our fanbase as ignorant rednecks who cling to the past and think we are entitled to something. Maybe they are right?

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:05 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/10/2010 3:03:55 PM

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"The rest of the nation looks at our fanbase as ignorant rednecks who cling to the past and think we are entitled to something. Maybe they are right?"

In short, yes they are. Problem is everybody realizes now that we ran off a good but not great coach in Herb and now everyone wants to keep a shitty coach.

1/10/2010 3:10:40 PM

^^ I read your first sentence and stopped reading. Are you high or something? If Lowe slapped your mom in the face you'd probably give him a handjob wouldn't you?

The premise that our next coach wouldn't have any coaching experience is retarded.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ]]

1/10/2010 3:12:07 PM

^^ I don't see any advantage in getting rid of Lowe right now and I see many disadvantages. I don't see glaring issues in our game plans and I really think we are a dominant guard away from being a decent ACC team. Remember we were picked LAST in the ACC and that was based on the players we would be playing. I have seen games where he outcoaches other ACC coaches and games where he gets outcoached. As an X's and O's coach I think he is decent, I don't think he is a genius but I don't think he is terrible either.
^ If you have no response just shut the fuck up and bring up your idiotic 52 billion man rotation argument again next page. So you think a proven coach would be interested in us if we fired Lowe right now? A team with a couple 4 star front court players, no real guards, and a rabid fanbase that chased off a coach that was taking us to NCAA's every year.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:21 PM. Reason : adfsad]

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:25 PM. Reason : ^edited his idiot post]

1/10/2010 3:21:20 PM

it's fine to want to get rid of lowe, but we have to be prepared to do it. that's why he can't go after this year. gotta get rid of fowler and get this recruiting class. you dont let a top 5 (with leslie) recruiting class go. top 5 recruiting class = automatic ncaa bid and recruiting momentum. Sendek's one recruiting class gave him all those ncaa bids in a row (barely)


Also, kellie harper is the next men's BB coach (lee fowler's last option).

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 3:29:05 PM

I said:

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"The premise that our next coach wouldn't have any coaching experience is retarded."

Your reply:

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"So you think a proven coach would be interested in us if we fired Lowe right now?"

It's like shooting fish in a barrel with you adder. You MUST be high. We're not going to just go hire somebody off of Hillsborough Street dumbass. And yes I definitely think we would have a decent shot at a proven coach.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:39 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 3:37:40 PM

^^I agree with all of that except for this:

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"top 5 recruiting class = automatic ncaa bid and recruiting momentum. "

Nothing with this coach and team is automatic.

1/10/2010 3:38:44 PM

if paul hewitt can do it, then so can sid

because hewitt is a shittier coach in my eyes

1/10/2010 3:40:05 PM

i agree with skokiaan??

and yes, i too, think paul hewitt is a shitty coach

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:41 PM. Reason : k]

1/10/2010 3:41:37 PM

^^

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM. Reason : paul hewitt is worse. he "stole" favors from sid and is now ranked]

1/10/2010 3:43:33 PM

^^^ ha that's a good point

Will be interesting to see if he continues doing it or if the team collapses as the season progresses.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:45 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 3:44:01 PM

Hewitt has brought at least one 5-star in every year since 2004. He has far more talent and -- equally important -- athleticism than we'll have next year at his disposal...

I also think he is an awful coach but they haven't exactly been lighting it up since 2005 either...

And we don't have a Top 5 class unless Leslie commits. And even a Top 5 class doesn't guarantee a damn thing. UConn missed the NIT even when they got their current Senior class, which had two 5*s and three 4*s...

But Sid >>>>> Calhoun so that won't happen here.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:46 PM. Reason : x]

1/10/2010 3:44:41 PM

yeah, but he is a worse coach. he needs more talent than lowe to make up for his crappy coaching. anyone with a roster of future NBA players who regularly got owned by the weave and heave is a terrible coach



We will have solid seniors, so that reduces the risk of inconsistency by relying on freshmen

1/10/2010 3:48:17 PM

^to Don Beebe's comment Why? Was Lowe a proven head coach, did he have college experience? No. So you think we would somehow get an upgrade? We would probably try for some big name coaches fail and end up with another "project" head coach with less experience then Lowe.

I agree Hewitt is garbage but do you remember how his team looked with dominant guards (NCAA tourney finals ring a bell)? I really think guard play determines your success in college basketball.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 3:53 PM. Reason : adfa]

1/10/2010 3:52:11 PM

Hewitt couldn't even win with Jarrett Jack at guard...he's terrible. Maybe as bad or worse than Lowe. Hewitt was nearly fired last year.

1/10/2010 3:57:40 PM

^^ Fowler hired Lowe because he was on the NC State 83 championship team and had NBA experience after striking out on the home run coaches. Not because we couldn't find a good proven head coach. He wasn't the only person in the basketball world that would take the job. Stop being a dramatic idiot. We EASILY could have gotten a good head coach to come to the ACC with head coaching experience. He just probably wouldn't be the homerun such as Barnes or Calipari. The ACC is an upgrade for nearly all coaches in college basketball. If you don't think so then you don't know what the fuck your talking about.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 4:00 PM. Reason : []

1/10/2010 3:58:40 PM

^^ NCAA runner up is pretty good.
^ We had a proven head coach who was competing in the ACC and sending his teams to the NCAA. what happened? The fan base chased him off. Why come coach for an institution that treats coaches that way, plays in a big off campus arena that doesn't really carry much of a home court advantage, the only real top tier talent on the team is in the front court and you have only 4 years to make this team a NCAA tourney contender before the asshat fanbase is calling for your head. OHHH I almost forgot you are in arguably the toughest conference and have two hall of fame coaches right next door that you need to beat or yet again the asshat fanbase will be screaming for your head. Sounds like a great job doesn't it?

1/10/2010 4:09:33 PM

We might get Archie Miller tryin to come in and run the weave and heave if we ditched Lowe.

I'm not even really sure who you think we'd get. Mark Few maybe if we through enough money at him. I don't think he has any desire to leave Gonzaga though. If you look at some of the other hot coaches, Jay Wright isn't gonna leave Nova for another 5+ years (and probably wouldn't come here unless we offered money we can't pay him since you could argue we aren't an upgrade), Mike Anderson just signed a new contract with Mizzou I believe, Scott Drew is a slimy bastard... Who would we get? A unqualified mid-major coach with a stupid offense, or a hot assistant coach with no head coach experience.

1/10/2010 4:11:15 PM

^^ okay whatever, you've convinced me. Our next coach would be worse than Sidney Lowe. Maybe we should give him a raise so he doesn't leave us!!





[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : forgot my rolly eyes]

1/10/2010 4:13:19 PM

Someone on the internet is not going to be able to argue about these mechanics of a search. Whether the coach is a big name or and up and coming is irrelevant -- the only thing that matters is if the coach is good. You hire a good AD and trust that he has the tools to identify and hire a good coach. Trying to micro-manage a hypothetical search from the internet is a pointless waste of time. (I have no problem listing candidates, but assessing the feasibility of getting the person is strictly dependent on the talents of the AD).

FYI, a school is most likely to get a good coach by hiring him when he is up-and-coming. The case where a school improves by luring away a big name is rare and very expensive. This is why you invest money in an AD who can spot a good up-and-comer rather than going after a big name.

People who are saying we should go after all these big names are doing so because they think future ADs will be as inept as fowler at spotting talent (or they know nothing about management).

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 4:15:28 PM

^ i definitely agree. that's why there is no point in firing lowe until fowler is gone. that might make some people mad, but it's the truth.

1/10/2010 4:17:34 PM

I'll entertain your thought of Lowe leaving after next year assuming shit doesn't work out there. Fowler HAS to be gone for anything to go well. Name 5 worthy candidates we could actually land.

1/10/2010 4:18:11 PM

skokiaan, you are killing it today. Spot on I agree with that 100%. My last hope is the new Chancellor gives a shit about winning athletics programs and makes Fowler do his job or find someone who will.

[Edited on January 10, 2010 at 4:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/10/2010 4:22:59 PM