^After reading that, I would love to hear your opinion on Jimmy V....just saying.

6/18/2011 12:47:23 AM

Jimmy V had his faults, but it wasn't like this. When the lead NCAA investigator writes a letter to you saying that he would be honored if his son played for you, then you should probably keep your job or at least have people in the media publicly chastise the idiot that wrote a book that was full of lies about you and your program.

6/18/2011 12:54:32 AM

You did just say that you'd fire them for bringing investigators to campus. Which would mean you'd fire V before that letter was written.

Butch is guilty as shit, I'm sure of that, but you did just throw out a double standard.

6/18/2011 2:28:50 AM

this thread sure does have some stupid fucking posts in it

6/18/2011 3:59:19 AM

i sure do like popcorn though

[Edited on June 18, 2011 at 4:10 AM. Reason : nom]

6/18/2011 4:09:33 AM

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"You did just say that you'd fire them for bringing investigators to campus. Which would mean you'd fire V before that letter was written."

However V didn't bring the investigators the stupid fucking book did. Also the NCAA found no major violations after a thorough investigation while UNC is FULL of major violations right now.

6/18/2011 8:07:26 AM

At least someone gets it. Valvano though should have been told that he could be either the AD or the basketball coach, but not both. Just too much to place on someone without there being an adverse affect on their work.

6/18/2011 8:34:47 AM

I try not to waste time hating people. But if I were given an opportunity to pick one person I could stick a red hot poking iron up the ass it would be Peter Golenbeck. And I would piss on his corpse afterwards.

6/18/2011 1:04:44 PM

line starts here, buddy

6/18/2011 1:16:05 PM

I saw that POS "Personal Fouls" in a used bookstore in Charlotte a few years ago. I nearly bought it just so I could burn it, that way there would be one less copy of it in the world.

6/18/2011 1:38:44 PM

An in-law bought a copy of "Personal Fouls" for us (wife and I, both alums and huge sports fans) because he was told it was a "book about Valvano." He was totally oblivious but quickly got the picture when I stormed off and returned with a garbage can and some lighter fluid... felt great to light it up.

6/18/2011 4:03:19 PM

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"if it ever comes out that butch was complicit in all of this, then you can gloat. until then, get off my fucking nuts"

I know ignorance is bliss, but you must be fucking ORGASMING right now with that level of stupidity.

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"are you just assuming that a school has the authority to release a coach's personal phone records?"

So, even though, yes, the school DOES have the authority to do so, you are A-OK with a coach hiding improprieties and fucking CHEATING by not using his university issued phone AT ALL? Is that where you really want to go?

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"After reading that, I would love to hear your opinion on Jimmy V....just saying."

Jimmy V was railroaded by a slanderous book and muckraking newspaper with ZERO journalistic ethics. that is common fucking knowledge.

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"You did just say that you'd fire them for bringing investigators to campus. "

Jimmy V didn't bring investigators to campus. Lying book-writers and sleazy journalists did. there's a difference.

6/18/2011 6:46:29 PM

After you finished setting your in-laws on fire, did you read the book?

6/18/2011 6:46:35 PM

Give stingray a break guys. He's one of the few halfway decent unc posters. At least he's not with the IC crowd claiming that this is all just an ABC conspiracy and jerking off to Butch's recruiting stats. He has the balls to post here so that's saying something.

6/18/2011 7:32:00 PM

what are you talking about?

6/18/2011 7:47:42 PM

He's talkin bout practice man, practice.

6/18/2011 9:11:39 PM

Not the game.

6/19/2011 9:20:58 AM

LEAVE STINGRAY ALONE!

6/19/2011 9:51:36 AM

anything new? A bunch of people over at IC seem to think that even though the unpaid parking tickets might be illegal, its not an NCAA violation and this is much to do about nothing. Also UNC is claiming that all of the cars are registered under either the players or players family's names.

I'm hoping that there is a lot of fire behind all of this smoke and that UNC will get the hammer dropped on them, but I'm kinda torn on how I feel about how much trouble UNC could actually get into for all this.

6/19/2011 1:48:04 PM

^Well, it was reported a few days back that UNC looked into the vehicle registrations (which have not been released to the public) and determined that all the vehicles of the 11 (or 12?) players were registered to a family member or the player...or something like that. However this is merely what the university is reporting as the records have not been released. The parking tickets, in and of themselves, aren't really a big deal...it might be a little suspicious that 11 players racked up such a huge total, but unless the players were getting preferential treatment when it came to getting out of the ticket/having to pay then it's not a violation. The issue with the parking tickets is to see, and please correct me if I'm wrong, what type of cars the players were driving, who they are registered to, and the VIN number of the cars (so they can be traced back to a dealer).

That is my understanding (which I have gained from reading this thread and listening to sports radio) of the whole parking ticket issue, but I'm sure someone more informed could give a better explanation.

6/19/2011 4:38:18 PM

^ Also to add on to this UNC's story is suspicious at best. They are saying that some players have so many tags/cars because tickets were given to them while they were in their friends cars (wouldn't those tickets be on the car and not the person because they are PARKING TICKETS??). Also some of the stuff the players have been doing has been blatantly illegal. Fictitious tags (tits mcgee admitted to this) is a fairly serious offense. It will take more than UNC proclaiming everyone's registration was on the up and up for me to believe it (interesting that they didn't release the names of ticketed players even though they apparently have that information). Many of the cars with supplied VINs (temporary tags) have been shown to be new relatively expensive cars which could end up being interesting. Also the shenanigans with davis's phone records are ridiculous he did business only on his private phone that seems sketchy as shit.

[Edited on June 19, 2011 at 5:43 PM. Reason : asdf]

6/19/2011 5:42:27 PM

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"Also some of the stuff the players have been doing has been blatantly illegal. Fictitious tags (tits mcgee admitted to this) is a fairly serious offense."

Haha. people do that shit all the time. I'm not surprised they found some football players were doing it. A large percentage of these guys aren't exactly coming to school from Affluentville, USA or anything.

I'm not going to get excited until someone finds a smoking gun that ties Davis to the shenanigans that were going on.

6/19/2011 7:12:16 PM

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"I'm not going to get excited until someone finds a smoking gun that ties Davis to the shenanigans that were going on."

Unfortunately, Davis only used his private gun to conduct school business.

6/19/2011 8:12:36 PM

The other thing is the unpaid tickets. If any of the players were allowed to register with unpaid tickets on their record then that is against university policy which means they were given preferential treatment which is an NCAA violation.

6/19/2011 8:37:19 PM

^^ Which makes those records public records. Any government employee can tell you that if they conduct business on their private email/phone it is still a matter of public record.
^^^ I have had a car impounded for that shit and the tag in question was on a car registered to me (and the new car was insured). Tits mcgee was driving around a car that had a tag on it registered to someone else that shit should have been impounded for sure.

6/19/2011 8:42:15 PM

^^ Some schools will allow you to register, you just can't graduate until all the fines are paid. MA is going to be extremely disappointed after all of the tough school work he has done.

6/19/2011 10:06:10 PM

I'm pretty sure UNC is not one of those schools unless I misread the post I saw on IC where someone said they had to pay their ticket before they could register.

6/19/2011 10:34:50 PM

NC State is certainly that way...

6/19/2011 10:55:42 PM

I would assume that all the UNC system schools have similar policies...but maybe not when it comes to something like outstanding parking fines.

6/19/2011 10:58:09 PM

not only have i registered at state with outstanding parking tickets but i received my diploma as well.

6/19/2011 11:06:49 PM

busted, it's fraudulent now

6/19/2011 11:08:44 PM

^^How long ago was that?

I received my degree while I had outstanding parking tickets, but they certainly wouldn't let me sign up for classes until I'd paid the previous semester's tickets off.

6/20/2011 10:08:39 AM

At what point do they start booting cars. After a few unpaid in downtown Raleigh they boot it and don't remove it until all tickets are paid.

6/20/2011 10:36:57 AM

6/20/2011 10:56:43 AM

I think I got up to $300 ish when they booted me.

6/20/2011 11:18:23 AM

this is decent

http://www.tauntr.com/content/university-north-carolina-recruiting-commercial

6/20/2011 3:47:34 PM

what's decent about a broken link?

6/21/2011 10:28:47 AM

i clicked on it and am watching it again

6/21/2011 10:37:02 AM

Yeah, the link is fine.

6/21/2011 10:40:14 AM

taint workin for me. I get "server not found" in FF

6/21/2011 10:40:50 AM

Shamelessly stealing from twitter:

[paraphrase]All this smoke is from the records being burned in Chapel Hill[/paraphrase]

6/21/2011 12:02:33 PM

6/21/2011 1:17:56 PM

^?

6/21/2011 1:19:08 PM

^After looking at the link in the post it's supposed to be the UNC recruiting video that was linked a few posts above.

They should have read the lines a few times before they recorded, especially the second person. I'm really glad the thesis papers I wrote had a more natural flow than I am capable of producing in my verbal communications.

And the "lol those chicks farted" section made me question who their intended target audience is supposed to be. Music was kind of grating as well. Good idea, better than I could have done, but could have been executed a bit better.


[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM. Reason : -]

6/21/2011 1:47:16 PM

oddly enough, I can't play that video, either. is teh gubment fuckin w/ my internets again?

6/21/2011 2:20:29 PM

Lots of rumors going around that UNC got the Notice of Allegations today. But who knows

6/21/2011 3:52:13 PM

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"joeovies Joe Ovies RT @erinesummers: Per #UNC - letter of allegations is in, will release later today #NCAA 1 minute ago"

6/21/2011 4:07:49 PM

yea, preparing to be

6/21/2011 4:10:17 PM

So this is a big deal either way, right

Like this letter is going to say, "We, the NCAA, accuse you jerks of paying Marvin Austin $X"

6/21/2011 4:13:24 PM

I'm gonna be when they don't get a charge of lack of institutional control

6/21/2011 4:14:05 PM