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"Yeah because I'm here posting about the iPhone while others come in and troll about its 'lacking features' and how android has them blah blah...but yet they still buy the iPhone? oh and they throw words around like 'troll' and 'fanboy' lol"

You say "troll", I say "criticize". I'm a consumer and I use whichever device appeals to me. In the iPhone's case, I prefer the software/UX offered, but I see other platforms making progress and keep an open mind about them. I don't try and justify Apple's moves with the excuse of "its because nobody gives a shit" when there are clearly people who want to see certain features. The fact that you cant accept criticism and feel the compulsive need to defend the new iPhone's shortcomings proves that you are the one with the issues.

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"Before there was iPhone there was expandable memory. Had you asked me then what I thought of an SD card slot I would have said "I'm in favor of getting rid of it for a larger internal storage'"

If I were to buy a 16GB iPhone and take it, say, camping for the weekend (read: no computer or wireless reception), and I were to fill up my iPhone with media, would you agree that having expandable storage would be worthwhile? Cloud data requires an internet connection and doesn't match the convenience/transferrability offered by expandable media.

Also, another example. I have a Canon T1i and when I shoot at 720p the memory fills up FAST. Expandable memory is the perfect solution to absolve this problem.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 5:51 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 5:46:57 PM

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"between my iPhone and iPad, i have a lot of $ in apps "

my problem as well. I'm really diggin' the new Androids, and I think if anyone can compete with/surpass Apple, it's Google.

But with every passing day, and every $1 app, I am tightening that noose.

6/7/2010 5:47:54 PM

For music, just jailbreak and get Grooveshark. At least until the greedy record execs here get their act together and finish making deals with Spotify.

I think Froyo (or it might be a later update) has the SimplifyMedia streaming ability built-in. I was pretty bummed when they pulled that from the App Store. Another thing which made me want to switch. AT&T has been pretty good for me, so I don't mind streaming. It's better than waiting around for 2.5 hr like I did the other night while iTunes tries to back up my phone (which only had 3.5 GB out of 16 filled).

6/7/2010 5:48:38 PM

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"btw did anyone catch that the 802.11n is 2.4Ghz only? "

wtf? indeed.

6/7/2010 5:50:47 PM

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"Tons of games have a 'free' version for a demo."

Yeah, but they don't always give you enough to figure it out. And that's fine, that's their choice. But I think many of them (devs) would be happy with a system that lets them choose how long to allow a trial so they don't have to worry about in-App upgrades etc. Or maybe not. Some of them probably prefer nickel-and-diming people. E.g. F.A.S.T. (Fleet Air Superiority ?) which gives you a single training mission which ends whether or not you shoot down the enemy plane (there's only 1 lol).

The one thing I'll really miss if I indeed end up switching is Appshopper. Probably the wrong place to ask, but does anyone know if there's a site like that for the Android Marketplace?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:01 PM. Reason : ;]

6/7/2010 6:00:34 PM

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"to address the question of "why not switch": between my iPhone and iPad, i have a lot of $ in apps "

I, too, have a lot of money invested in apps/music/media through iTunes. But I'd still bite the bullet for the phone if I found something I liked better. I'd miss out on a lot of my media but I have an iPad, AppleTV, and a computer I can use for it. So I guess apps is the major factor.

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" if the iPhoneOS was a terrible platform or the iPhone was a terrible piece of hardware I'd cut my losses and move on. "

Like you said, the iPhone isn't terrible hardware, but neither are some of the devices that have the features you all want. so it really boils down to you already being heavily invested in the iOS platform.

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" i'd like an FM radio (for the TVs at the gym), i'd like removable media (to quickly move multimedia without needing to have a sync cable or networking, i.e. in a hotel room), but that's not going to make me switch platforms. just stupid to own a great phone and have to use a $5 radio from big lots. no one makes a perfect phone. i've been waiting for an iPhone that had a better camera, a flash, front-facing camera, native backgrounding, and it looks like it's here. good enough to separate me from my money. "

In regards to your removable media, I'd prefer having wifi sync. My personal feelings on physical media is taking a step backwards when having to juggle SD cards. This is another reason why I love dropbox because I can keep a cached local copy of my data on all my machines without having to worry about physical media, or keeping track of what data is where.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:06 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 6:04:55 PM

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"You say "troll", I say "criticize". I'm a consumer and I use whichever device appeals to me. In the iPhone's case, I prefer the software/UX offered, but I see other platforms making progress and keep an open mind about them. I don't try and justify Apple's moves with the excuse of "its because nobody gives a shit" when there are clearly people who want to see certain features. The fact that you cant accept criticism and feel the compulsive need to defend the new iPhone's shortcomings proves that you are the one with the issues."

We've covered this issue. Most of the people posting in tech talk do not make up the majority. These are features you'd like and have uses for but most people don't want/need an SD card slot. They'd rather a simpler solution where all their data is in one place. TV out? How many of the average consumers would actually use that on their phone or even know their phone has this capability? I don't defend Apple for their phones shortcomings, I just happen to not want SD/Tv Out/removable battery. What I do want is wifi sync which Apple does not do.

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"If I were to buy a 16GB iPhone and take it, say, camping for the weekend (read: no computer or wireless reception), and I were to fill up my iPhone with media, would you agree that having expandable storage would be worthwhile? Cloud data requires an internet connection and doesn't match the convenience/transferrability offered by expandable media. Also, another example. I have a Canon T1i and when I shoot at 720p the memory fills up FAST. Expandable memory is the perfect solution to absolve this problem."

If I were camping I would not be concerned with the media on my phone. I'd be there to camp and enjoy the outdoors, friends. I can do without my entire movie library and I can guarantee you I have more than enough internal storage for music we'd want to listen to on the camping trip.

I'm assuming the Canon T1i is a video camera? Is it not obvious why the camera would need expandable/removable storage?

6/7/2010 6:12:54 PM

Fucking Christ, do you never get tired of telling everyone exactly how they should use their phones, exactly what features they should want, and exactly why they don't actually want things they seem to really want?

Let it go man. Just because someone else is looking for different things doesn't mean it's your fucking duty to "make them see the light".

You are the very definition of a fanboy, and it got old years ago. Just. Fucking. STOP.

Please.

6/7/2010 6:17:09 PM

^^The T1i is the last-gen intro-level digital SLR, although it was the first camera with 720p video recording, I believe. The new T2i has 1080i.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:18 PM. Reason : El Nacho too fast for me lol]

6/7/2010 6:17:29 PM

^^ that's the shit i'm talking about.

if you want to complain about a user, go to feedback forum and have at it.

otherwise stay on topic and keep it civil.

6/7/2010 6:21:06 PM

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"if you want to complain about a user, go to feedback forum and have at it."

Like that does one god damn bit of good.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:23 PM. Reason : Gloveco is THE problem here and he needs to go bye bye.]

6/7/2010 6:22:44 PM

I will bold key words for you next time so you guys can unbunch your panties.

personal

The real problem here is you because you get your panties in a bunch over every little thing I say. You have your opinions and I have mine. You flood these forums with your nerd rage and opinions and I do the same. Why you can't have an adult discussion is beyond me. I'm not here to change anybody's mind. I'm here to participate in discussion as to why I like certain features and not others and why you like certain features.

(ok maybe not you, but everyone else at least)

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:27 PM. Reason : 's]

6/7/2010 6:24:14 PM

Here is the reason I'm staying with AT&T and the iPhone:


Evo4 is just too big for me...one of my favorite things about the iphone is the size and how well it fits in my pocket.

6/7/2010 6:35:54 PM

yeah thats the main reason i'm holding back...gotta play with it some more before i decide

6/7/2010 6:38:33 PM

lol, weird.. my bosses evo just showed up this morning. after playing with for a few minutes i was pretty impressed actually.. although that wasn't long enough to really know

and i'd avoid sprint at all costs

6/7/2010 6:44:35 PM

So did Nacho and Golovko both get suspended?

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 6:50 PM. Reason : b/c of this thread?]

6/7/2010 6:49:53 PM

haha. gg with the suspenders. Which mod do we need to thank?

6/7/2010 6:55:52 PM

hahahaha. seriously who can we thank.


so AT&T is letting me upgrade early even though i spend about $65/line. looks like it will be a good update, especially if I can sell my 3GS to pay for it.

any word on if I will have to signup for the new data plan BS if I get a new one?

6/7/2010 7:13:45 PM

Read somewhere else that existing customers could keep their current plan and you didn't need to switch unless you wanted tethering.

6/7/2010 7:16:10 PM

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"hahahaha. seriously who can we thank."

6/7/2010 7:22:12 PM

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"any word on if I will have to signup for the new data plan BS if I get a new one?"

From what I remember reading, it sounded like if you already had the unlimited plan they wouldn't take it away from you [yet], but i haven't seen anything definite on that.

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"seriously who can we thank."

<---

damn i thought it would be obvious after my endless stream of warnings

6/7/2010 7:23:47 PM

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"In fact, AT&T says that people "are not required to switch to the new plans if they renew their contract or switch to another smartphone."

I let my sister use my renewal last month cause she needed a new phone badly and the renewal for her line wasn't until next year. The next renewal for a line in our family plan is in August. Hopefully they'll let me use it since I haven't actually renewed since I bought my 3G over two years ago.

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 7:27 PM. Reason : corrected.]

6/7/2010 7:23:50 PM

^ sounds like you get to keep your unlimited, for the 'foreseeable future'

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" I was lucky enough today to have the opportunity to chat with Seth Bloom from AT&T's public relations team..."

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"What happens to users on the current iPhone unlimited plan? They get to keep that plan for the forseeable future. The changes do not affect iPhone users who are currently signed up for the $30/month plan or 2G iPhone users on the $20/month plan. If your plan lapses, however, so will your ability to keep unlimited data."

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/02/candid-answers-from-atandt-on-the-new-iphone-data-plans/

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"If your plan lapses, however, so will your ability to keep unlimited data"

What the hell does that mean? You only get it for the rest of your contract? If so why not just say it that way instead of some vague 'foreseeable future' crap

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 7:30 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 7:28:12 PM

synapse

6/7/2010 7:29:18 PM

this was the more relevant quote from your article

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"What about iPhone customers who want to upgrade equipment? Surprisingly enough, there's good news there. You can keep your existing unlimited iPhone plan and migrate it to new equipment to upgrade or replace your handset, and even can renew your contract with that plan. However, when Apple introduces its new iPhone, it may offer new desirable plans at the same time. Bloom declined to comment on upcoming product announcements or special plans. "

thanks synapse

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 7:31 PM. Reason : .]

6/7/2010 7:30:37 PM

I think i'm most impressed by the new screen... they are using "resolution independent" technology AND it's an IPS panel.

One thing that always bugged me about phones of the current gen is that if you used them sideways, they looked worse than portrait typically.

6/7/2010 7:35:51 PM

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"So did Nacho and Golovko both get suspended?"

I'm ready to switch to android just so I can stop clicking on this thread & sifting through the golovko shit parade. & DAMN do I need a replaceable battery.

If I can find someone to give my 3GS to in exchange for committing to a new AT&T contract so I can pay for their 4G & have no contract I'll upgrade. I really don't mind being on AT&T but within the next year I think android will be at a point where it really is better on all fronts & I don't want to be locked in without an upgrade path.

When does the new OS update for the old phones get released?

Also, video calls being only wifi to wifi & iphone to iphone... could that be more useless? In most of those situations I can be at a computer just as easily.

6/7/2010 7:38:02 PM

6/21 for iOS update

agreed on the relative uselessness of FaceTalk or whatever its called

6/7/2010 7:40:08 PM

i wonder if the existence of facetime will result in mysterious approval delays for any skype updates that might utilize the front camera

6/7/2010 7:41:32 PM

i haven't fully read through all of the new features, but i like the idea of the video calls. i can see that being more useful to some people than others, but i like having the option if i want it later.

what i really like is the mobile movie creation and editing capability (if i read that correctly, at least). that seems fun as hell.

6/7/2010 7:42:37 PM

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"What the hell does that mean? You only get it for the rest of your contract? If so why not just say it that way instead of some vague 'foreseeable future' crap"

Guessing they're talking about if you let your contract expire and go month to month and then decide to upgrade later.

6/7/2010 7:44:31 PM

so lets say your contract is up and it's 3 months until the new iphone comes out...you're hosed if you want to keep you unlimited (assuming you don't want to play extra-line shenanigans)?

you'd have to choose between your unlimited data and the new iPhone/whatever phone u really want?

6/7/2010 7:48:13 PM

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"but i like the idea of the video calls"

Don't get me wrong, I do too, but over cellular network & to other brands of phones/computers/etc. Is it really only iphone to iphone? I didn't get that from anywhere but this thread.

6/7/2010 7:49:05 PM

^ yes, only iphone4 to iphone4

6/7/2010 7:52:12 PM

if it were like what they do in iChat, i'd be happier. but it'd be nice to see apple put a fucking IM client in iOS, too.

6/7/2010 7:53:31 PM

^^^ i don't see how it could work for going TO another phone using the built-in button. There's probably going to be some 3rd party app you can use for other phones though.

And the only-over-wifi was probably because ATT is already taking a hammering from normal data, imagine all those iPhone user now streaming video all the time...

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 7:54 PM. Reason : ]

6/7/2010 7:54:32 PM

i see it as you can keep unlimited data on a month-month plan, just don't ever leave the unlimited plan

6/7/2010 7:54:43 PM

....

[Edited on June 7, 2010 at 8:17 PM. Reason : ...]

6/7/2010 8:12:04 PM

^ in the correct thread, maybe?

6/7/2010 8:12:29 PM

so, did anyone figure out what that text number reply meant? $18 upgrade fee...


I assume that is not the total amount and the total is $18 + the price of the iPhone 4...

6/7/2010 10:48:32 PM

Yeah, $18 + 199 or 299

6/7/2010 11:01:52 PM

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"I think i'm most impressed by the new screen... they are using "resolution independent" technology AND it's an IPS panel."

Yeah, things I've read on the new screen from people who were there say that, like most Apple products, it sounds neat until you see it in person, then it's just awesome.

Incidentally it also brings up an excellent point in favor of Apple's side in the whole Apple development tool chain vs third party development kits (read flash app development). Every single app in the app store, whether or not the developer even touches it gets all of it's base UI elements and text redone in the new resolutions, simply because they use the Apple libraries. By comparison, were an app to be developed with flash, especially if it was anything like Adobe's continued efforts in duplicating UI elements (see CS suite), it is very likely if not assured that all of those apps UI's would need to be redesigned to take advantage of the new display tech.

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" Is it really only iphone to iphone? I didn't get that from anywhere but this thread. && i don't see how it could work for going TO another phone using the built-in button. There's probably going to be some 3rd party app you can use for other phones though. "

Yes, per Apple it is currently iPhone to iPhone only. However, they are apparently going to be publishing the protocol / spec that they use to make it all work, presumably with the idea of getting 3pp developers to make it work on other phones as well as I would guess computers. I can imagine skype taking this and integrating it, free computer to iPhone video calls.

Also, it's interesting to note that even though video phone calls are nothing new, this may very well be the first time that video phone calls actually take off. One of the toughest things facing video phone has been finding other people who have video phones to call. It's the old tech chicken and egg problem. No one wants a video phone if they can't call other people, so no one buys one, and no one has one, so no one buys one etc etc.

In this case though, lots of people want an iPhone, and lots of them want the new one. Sure the older iphones are left out, but plenty of people will be buying this, and the next generation iPhone. The eggs are in place.

6/7/2010 11:22:28 PM

yeah but didn't they invent text messaging so you don't have to actually talk to your friends anymore, much less see them while talking to them

6/7/2010 11:25:10 PM

will be buying

that Scott Forstall guy in the promo video almost makes me not want to buy anything Apple related again though

6/8/2010 1:43:48 PM

are any demos at the apple store yet? when will they have them?

6/8/2010 2:55:17 PM

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"when will they have them?"

on the release date.

6/8/2010 3:02:23 PM

has anyone sold a standard iPhone 3G lately? just wondering what i could expect to get for a ~1 year old near mint condition 8GB version if/when i upgrade to iPhone 4

6/8/2010 3:30:46 PM

really disappointed this thing isn't on verizon yet. at&t must be paying out the wazoo for exclusivity

6/8/2010 3:56:02 PM

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"are any demos at the apple store yet? when will they have them?"

Demos will be available on June 24th (launch day). You can pre-order starting June 15th though which if you already decided to get one, I highly recommend pre-ordering and having it shipped to your home. It beats waiting in line all day for the chance of not getting one.

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"really disappointed this thing isn't on verizon yet. at&t must be paying out the wazoo for exclusivity"

It was revealed in the past month or two that AT&T has an exclusivity agreement until 2012. However, rumors have been going around that there could be an iPhone on Verizon in September (or at least an announcement in September) if the rumors prove to be true. This fall is also when the iPad is supposed to get iOS4 so we might see a multi-carrier announcement then too.

[Edited on June 8, 2010 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

6/8/2010 4:14:06 PM

As I understand it, both AT&T and Verizon will use the same LTE 4G networks. AT&T expects to have their 4G network up in the 2011/2012 timeframe. I think Verizon may be ahead of that. I wouldn't count on a multi-carrier iPhone until then, but I guess anything is possible.

6/8/2010 5:26:48 PM