there's so much drama in post flop EV, its kinda hard being karim the poker playin lebanese
somehow some way i keep foldin flopped sets on the river when they're bad like every single day


th0 i broke out of my 2 session cold streak with a 500x bb cash

[Edited on February 25, 2007 at 11:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2007 11:05:53 PM

that post made me touch myself

2/25/2007 11:09:46 PM

aha

i was listening to gin and juice today

2/25/2007 11:10:56 PM

I was listening to the divinyls.

Gnite fellas.

2/25/2007 11:13:11 PM

ive found you should only listen to the cloud cult when you want to lose money

2/25/2007 11:13:50 PM

milosh ftw

2/25/2007 11:14:19 PM

you're goddamned right.


and,


ive got this thing


where ive got to blast ghostface killa - the champ


at levels thatll make your ears bleed


as i roll up to the parking lot of where im playing

2/25/2007 11:16:21 PM

niggas want me dead
but they scared to step to me
rip they guts out like a historectomy

---

im like the deuce of diamonds
cuttin spades on a glass table
half a mill on my left ankle




its just one of those songs that makes you feel like a complete badass

ready to roll over some idiots

2/25/2007 11:21:23 PM

Quote :

"also, im curious here as to where the money went in"

Here's the bad beat story of the day. Actually of my life thus far.

10 person table at Foxwoods, I have J9 of spades. There are like 6 callers, no pre-flop raise, so starting pot size is a meager $12. Anyways, the flop comes KD 10S 8S. Good flop to see. (In case you don't notice, I have an open ended straight flush draw). I bet out $12 and get reraised to $40. I quickly call. The turn is the 5 of spades, giving me a flush. Hoping to trap, I check. The check works like a charm, and he bets out $60. Now at this point, I realize there are better flushes out in flushland, but this guy was a dipshit like no other. If he had the better flush, then so be it. I reraise ALL-IN, the guy thinks about it and calls with K6, with the K being a spade. I have him covered by a lot, but it was still an additional $120 to call. Well, the river is a 6 of spades, giving him a better flush.

I couldn't believe it. Typing this hand out does not do justice to this beat. Not only was it a horrible call (I don't give a shit if he did have top pair and a flush draw) the fact is he paid $120 for a draw. Plus, he has SO few outs. The A, 6, 4, 3, and 2 of spades were it. 5 outs. I was disgusted. Those of you who have played with me know I am not a good loser when it comes to situations like this, and this was no exception. The guy acted so cocky, like he just made the best play ever. I have never in my life wanted to reach over and punch someone so badly in my life.

Here's one of them that I posted about a year and a half ago. I don't know if I posted the other, but it's similar. On this one, I was right around a 88.6% favorite after the turn (when we went all-in). I realize it's only about $450, but that's a lot of money for me. The dude had to call $120 to win $330, and he had an 11.4% chance of winning. That's just the kind of stuff that happens to me in big hands.

And no David, I don't push all-in with AA pre-flop everytime. I just limp and let everyone play, then go all-in after the flop because everyone knows that AA cannot be beat. Jesus do you think I'm an idiot.

2/25/2007 11:50:33 PM

Quote :

"you're goddamned right. and, ive got this thing where ive got to blast ghostface killa - the champ at levels thatll make your ears bleed as i roll up to the parking lot of where im playing"

Lollers, I listen to that song to and from the gym every single time I go. "I don't need no has been messin' up my corner..."

2/25/2007 11:56:15 PM

Quote :

"Jesus do you think I'm an idiot."

Learn to pick up sarcasm Jim.

2/26/2007 6:34:21 AM

ben...dont be taking all the credit for the ghostface crew....you know we found out the power of ghostface at the same time

2/26/2007 7:02:49 AM

i brought you in

dont play

you didnt even know what supreme clientelle was =[

2/26/2007 7:30:02 AM

so let me make sure i understand......you check-raise hoping to get him to commit to the pot, and then when he commits to the pot, you are mad? did i get it right?

2/26/2007 10:55:45 AM

will anyone else be in AC next week?

2/26/2007 6:53:39 PM

nick frangos

2/26/2007 8:03:10 PM

No you are not right.

I check-raised thinking that if I just bet, he would just call and I would not get as much money out of him. I wanted him to call my all-in without a doubt. I was frustrated that he hit his 4th spade, and I was actually mad that he thought he made a smart play.

That's one of the big things about me when I play. Sure, I love to win, and I love to have a little extra spending cash to blow, but it's honestly not that big of a deal. The thing I take more seriously is when a bad player makes a stupid play and sucks out, and that player really believes he made the right play and he is a good player. I know it sounds dumb, but that's what really gets me upset.

2/26/2007 8:37:00 PM

nick frangos got nothing on me except a funny accent and a molester stache'

2/26/2007 8:52:05 PM

and about 200 pounds

2/26/2007 9:05:35 PM

^^i mean this in a very helpful way......i don't think that is the correct frame of mind for a "poker player"


i might be in ac this weekend, i'm actually planning on making weekend trips a regular thing if there are some people that want to consolidate some expenses

2/26/2007 9:05:37 PM

Oh I totally agree. It's horrible. It's my biggest flaw. I think I am great with numbers/odds/etc and at least average at reading people, but that sometimes causes me to lose money that I should have never lost. I am really really trying my best to overcome it.

2/26/2007 10:09:51 PM

^^^^ last time i was at the borgata, nick got scared and had the floor come tell me to leave... haha because i was watching him play 7stud with these two azns from about 10 feet away... i guess i scared him haha

2/27/2007 1:27:46 AM

railbirds in the high limit pit aren't allowed.

2/27/2007 7:17:28 AM

^^ pwnt

sorry...ive always wanted to say that on here

2/27/2007 7:38:06 AM

Quote :

"but that sometimes causes me to lose money that I should have never lost"

what do you mean by that?

do you mean, that you tilt off cash you should have never lost due to being pissed at someone's play?

or is it the fact that you "lose money you should have never lost" due to someone's poor play in a specific hand?

If it's the latter, thats a problem that I seem to see a lot.

esp. in talking to someone a lot who has posted on this page.

you WANT players to make bad plays. you WANT bad calls. you LOVE that extra EV that they are throwing in your direction.... even though it didnt work out this time, it's still BEST for you to take that EV and put it in your pocket.

I know equity is not tangible, but you make money at poker off of bad calls, not good calls.

2/27/2007 3:11:01 PM

^^^ ben i wasnt railing as much as walking through... maybe more than once in ten minutes but still... ill remember that...

^^ hish let me know next time you are going to ac... i might want to tag along, dc is halfway to ac anyways...

2/27/2007 6:28:46 PM

tdub ac trip! let's all throw in on some cheap ass rooms

2/27/2007 6:30:39 PM

Nah I meant the first one. I go on tilt pretty bad just trying to catch something and get my money back.

I totally agree, you want those bad calls. Hell, I wouldn't win very much if it weren't for bad players, but it still hurts when they hit their out.

2/27/2007 8:05:25 PM

I just busted out of this tourney. Fastest I have ever busted. 4th hand.

I had aces. Few callers someone raises 25% of the chip stack I go all in. Get called by A-q suited and he hits a straight. Other guy had a-k suited (folded preflop).

Frustrating, only because I was doing a favor to someone by going because I typically won't play there. Now I wanna play poker because 6 min of poker is pretty crappy, I guess I am going to Durham for a cash game now.

I am such an addict.

2/27/2007 8:10:05 PM

got a question for the poker gurus...

is there ever a time when you would fold pocket aces preflop?

say you're playing a no limit $.50/$1.00 table (with $50 in chips) and you're under the gun. you just limp, and seat 4 raises to $5 and then seat 5 goes all in for $45, then seat 7 calls for $45, then seat 9 calls for $45, everyone else folds and it's back to you, would you put all your chips in just out of principle because it's the best starting hand, or would you wait it out since your odds of winning are probably less than 50% going to the flop if you have 3 (maybe even 4) potential callers? (it's obviously a loose table, so there's a good chance you've got at least one or two people w/ a hand like 10/J suited or 8/9 suited) and probably someone with kings or queens...

2/27/2007 8:29:43 PM

There may be a scenario where I satellited into a 10k buy-in event and I would fold them in a situation like you describe.


In any cash game or tournament within my bankroll I would never consider it.

2/27/2007 8:57:50 PM

I will still take being a 55.8% favorite and getting 4:1 any day of the week.

You should hope for scenarios like this.

2/27/2007 9:05:20 PM

didnt realize the circuit events will be in AC while i will be up there. plan on playing in at least one of them

2/27/2007 9:39:06 PM

I don't think I would ever lay down AA preflop, but if I did, it would be in a tournament, not a cash game like Justin said.

2/27/2007 10:12:41 PM

http://www.bluffmagazine.com/Tournaments/event.asp?tourneyID=276&groupID=93

check 27th place....




thats my name...i thought i was the ONLY one in at least the USA with that name...but there is another. i wish i won that.

its only fitting my doppelganger plays poker too

2/27/2007 11:34:45 PM

Quote :

"got a question for the poker gurus... is there ever a time when you would fold pocket aces preflop? say you're playing a no limit $.50/$1.00 table (with $50 in chips) and you're under the gun. you just limp, and seat 4 raises to $5 and then seat 5 goes all in for $45, then seat 7 calls for $45, then seat 9 calls for $45, everyone else folds and it's back to you, would you put all your chips in just out of principle because it's the best starting hand, or would you wait it out since your odds of winning are probably less than 50% going to the flop if you have 3 (maybe even 4) potential callers? (it's obviously a loose table, so there's a good chance you've got at least one or two people w/ a hand like 10/J suited or 8/9 suited) and probably someone with kings or queens..."

skalansky has a section about folding aces preflop, in one of his books somewhere

ill find it.

or try to remember it for later

2/28/2007 7:14:27 AM

for the aces.....cash game, no, bc you are gonna be getting pot odds that will overcompensate for the reduction in winning probability.

for tournaments, like noid said, basically if you are playing in a big tourney where you don't want to take the likely hit to your stack for whatever reason you might lay them down, although i have read where several pros have said they wouldn't ever lay them down no matter what.

2/28/2007 8:13:03 AM

OK i didnt have time to find the skalanksy ref.

i think it's in getting the best of it, but it may be in SSHE.

but,

Quote :

"There may be a scenario where I satellited into a 10k buy-in event and I would fold them in a situation like you describe. In any cash game or tournament within my bankroll I would never consider it."

Noid is hinting on very key concepts here.

for his second sentence, that's the most important part.

if you are even considering laying down here, then you are underrolled for the game youa re playing. if you cant stomach the variance at the level at which you are playing, then you should step down.

in the described situation, you are getting like $105 or so in pot equity, while risking 45.

each time you fold, thats like just handing the table $60, or in this case, larger than a buy in.

if you ever make folds where you are relenquishing more than a buyin worth of equity, then you are in a terrible state.

now for the first part, noid is close to what skansky hit on.

theres only one situation where its right to fold aces.

that being at the final few people of a major tournament, with a steep pay scale.

say

1st - 300k
2nd - 200k
3rd - 125k
4th - 75k
5th - 45k

situation is 4 left, you are 3rd in chips, with the bigstack who has everyone covered to your right.

we are in the bb, shorty pushes utg. next player goes all in for protection. big stack wakes up and goes all in over top of the other two.

you see aces.

you are correct to fold aces here.

thats about the only time

and the chances of that situation comming up are so slim, such that it's never likely to ever happen to you.

2/28/2007 9:03:59 AM

Nevermind misread post.

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 9:13 AM. Reason : ]

2/28/2007 9:05:55 AM

I was thinking of some different situations where I might fold them. Like really early on Day 1 of the wsop main event where I'm at a really live table and there are two or more all-ins by the time I looked down at the rockets. Tripling up that early in that kind of tournament just doesnt increase my chances of going deep enough to justify risking busto.

Also, maybe if I was at the bubble in a big event that I satellited into and I'm looking at playing a multiway all-in with a small stack. If the bubble money of say 15k would double my bankroll or something, I would fold into it. Tripling up a small stack doesn't give me a great chance of going really deep or making the final table, not enough to risk the 15k anyways.

2/28/2007 12:03:43 PM

Someone might have already mentioned this, but if it's a satellite where say the top 20 players all get a seat at a bigger tournament (ie there is no advantage to finishing 1st over 20th), and you are big stack on the bubble, you could likely throw rockets away if calling and loosing would cripple you (maybe not head to head but if you had to possibly take on multiple players).

2/28/2007 2:04:06 PM

IF YOU EVER FOLD ACES PREFLOP IN A CASH GAME OR THINK ABOUT IT, JUST FUCKING QUIT POKER AND STICK TO ROULETTE

2/28/2007 2:17:20 PM

let em know sunshine.....


so im thinking of taking a flyer and playing the ceasers 1k nl wsop circuit event next week.

depends on how things go this weekend i think


anyone want some action

60 minute levels, 2 day tournament

2/28/2007 2:21:01 PM

im in for a hundo

2/28/2007 2:21:53 PM

i found a scan of the structure this morn.

it actually looks pretty hot

2/28/2007 2:28:59 PM

Critique my play here, Im a pretty shaky NL player and wanted to see if reading this hand right:


~8 handed, I'd been rasing pretty liberally preflop (9-2o, AJo, 8-9o, KQs) in the past few rounds (standard raise of $1.50 or $2.00 if theres a limper)

$0.25/$0.50 blinds

Im in midposition 2 limpers, i raise to $3.50 with AA... cold call on the button from a guy who plays a little loose preflop but ultra tight postflop. A very loose somewhat weak limper calls the raise.


flop K(h), 10, 6. checked to me I bet out $4, button folds, open limper calls.

turn 9(h) . checked to me i bet out $6, limper check raises to $12 and i smooth call.

river 4. limper goes all in for ~$20 into a $34 pot.


I fold face up.


I think i made three mistakes in this hand.

1) i think i didnt raise enough preflop since I knew i was probably gonna get action.

2) calling the turn is pretty iffy. I dont have many outs if Im behind. The thing is he's a habitual river checker and there was probably a ~75% chance i showdown for free.

3) i folded face up because I was drunk and sometimes like being patted on the back just to stoke my ego. I don't really like to make glory folds and invite people to take shots at me the next time around...

any thoughts?

2/28/2007 5:18:42 PM

Bigger raise post flop. Don't give them pot odds.

2/28/2007 5:25:59 PM

yeah i think you're right about that.... i have no idea why that didn't occur to me earlier.

That probably would have won me the pot too, the guy flipped over 6-9o after i folded

I'm on a nice little streak.... 9 games, 7 wins, 2 breakevens, 0 losses

jinx

[Edited on February 28, 2007 at 5:30 PM. Reason : a]

2/28/2007 5:29:34 PM

Where is this?

2/28/2007 5:32:06 PM

http://www.tworags.com/casinos/459/45ca0e1bb7fa2.pdf

2/28/2007 6:54:15 PM