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"Well aside from built in device recognition everyone and their mom has used it on their cell phone before for tech support or banking. I actually has a friend who works for a company that analyzes why people hit "0" for operator instead of choosing an automated option or talking to a computer. Each time someone asks to speak to an operator it costs a company money. I know this is less relevant but people ARE getting used to talking to computers just from services like banking and tech support, so I'm sure eventually over time it will transfer easier over to personal use. "

I'm talking more so as it being a feature on your mobile device. Like i said, its been around for ages and has been used in other applications successfully, it just isn't being used as frequently as Lokken would like to think when it comes to his mobile phone.

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"^^^^ what is that supposed to prove/disprove? Noone has claimed that there are devices where all you have to do is speak and you're golden. You're taking the discussion into a direction in order to try and strengthen/change your original post. If anything it just shows that voice recognition has plenty of investment and is becoming more and more viable."

I'm not taking it in a different direction. This backs up what I'm saying about companies investing in the tech. Yes they're investing in the tech to make it better and more usable but right now its not practical hence why I said its not being used as much as YOU think.

Who said that it DOESN'T have plenty of investment? Car navigation for one, also as Neo said, phone systems. This is all part of voice recognition. Now the investing is being done in trying to get it a part of our daily lives with our casual/daily use devices. Its not there yet but it will be one day (or we would like to think)

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"Right, and noone is arguing that most do. My point was that enough use it to make it worth improving and adding features to, and I just asked Gol what he was basing his opinion on that thats not the case."

You are getting bent out of shape and now agreeing with me? GG on the troll, you got me.

2/2/2010 5:06:59 PM

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2/2/2010 5:07:09 PM

lmao

2/2/2010 5:11:32 PM

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"but right now its not practical hence why I said its not being used as much as YOU think."

Bingo. And where are you getting this information to base this opinion on? If you fall back on the 'i don't see it being used' then your argument is done. You have no reason to think it outside of the fact that you just don't like using it. Where as I see the direction developing companies are taking it to indicate that people are using it more and more.

Also, it may not be practical for you, but it is for others.

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"You are getting bent out of shape and now agreeing with me? GG on the troll, you got me."

Show me where I am agreeing with you? I never claimed most people use voice recognition; So me saying that I agree most don't has nothing to do with your argument. You made the claim that not as many people use it as I think. You have yet to show what you base that opinion on other than the fact that you yourself don't use it.

Also, where am I getting bent out of shape??

I think where you confused yourself was when you took me saying 'people use it' to mean 'the vast majority of people use it and have no problems using it'. You essentially created an argument in your own head of most vs not most use it when in fact noone is having that argument with you.

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 5:16 PM. Reason : *]

I really am not getting bent out of shape at anyone, just participating in discussion. Im off for the evening though; works done. I wont bump this same argument tomorrow if its not the current topic of the thread.

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 5:26 PM. Reason : *]

2/2/2010 5:14:15 PM

This was said:

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"Right now I think Golovko is right in regard to use. Most people really don't use the voice recognition features on their phone"

followed by your agreement. have I missed something?

My whole argument is that most people don't use it. Companies invest in it because in other areas its proven to work (phone systems, navigation, etc) but right now its not main stream for mobile phones. Sure we've all played with it but most people don't use it on a daily basis or have forgotten it exists on their phone. This isn't based off of my personal use anymore than your opinion is based off of your use of the feature. Then I linked an article that says more of what I was getting at, that its promising but isn't there yet for mobile devices.

Why don't you find me some statistics on what percentage of mobile phone users (that have voice recognition software) use it and we'll put this whole debacle to rest. ok?

And don't use google as an example to support your theory because Google likes to throw money away at projects regardless if anyone has a use for it. When was the last time you used Google Wave or know anybody that uses it on a regular basis?

Anyway, I'm done here. We've derailed the iPad thread enough. If you want to continue make a voice recognition thread.

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 5:50 PM. Reason : .]

2/2/2010 5:38:11 PM

Yeah, you guys need to can it. I read about 20 posts back and forth between you two and none of them said anything new.

Voice recognition is not main stream but there are some people that are starting to use it. My point is that we are getting close to a acceleration point in the technology. It is just now becoming accurate enough to be useful, after 20-30 years of development and investment. At the same time it is being implemented in many markets and in a lot of of new tech devices. I think this is somewhat of a turning point for the technology. The Nexus One has a good chance of taking the first step in making this a standard feature on new smart phones.

[Edited on February 2, 2010 at 10:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/2/2010 10:37:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr4pPAn-m5g

lol

2/3/2010 12:13:50 PM

^^ people have been saying that for years, overall rate of advancement hasn't notably sped up in the last 10 years

2/3/2010 12:26:48 PM

Very good article describing how and what HTML5 will change... and what it won't do:

http://gizmodo.com/5461711/giz-explains-why-html5-isnt-going-to-save-the-internet

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"Here's what's really going on. HTML is already working its way into the underpinnings of web apps you use every day, making them faster and more stable than those relying on Java or other plugins. They're more like real apps. It's helping us inch closer to the dream of having real applications available at all times, on any platform. HTML is also setting forth a vision of media—specifically video—that doesn't rely on crashy, resource-intensive proprietary plugins. Look in your plugins folder, you will probably see four video plugins at a minimum. HTML is a standard with an optimistic view of the future: You launch your browser, and whatever site you visit, whatever media you choose to play, your browser just magically supports it, without the frustration, confusion and added instability of a plug-in. But at heart HTML is just a framework, a glimpse, and an ideal: Its real effect on the internet continues to be defined by the companies and web developers who choose to adopt its many pieces—and it is further shaped by those who don't."

2/3/2010 1:31:38 PM

I'd buy the second gen.

2/3/2010 1:55:55 PM

The only reason I'm going to get first gen is so I can port my games to it.

2/3/2010 2:25:50 PM

I was planning on getting my mom a Macbook for mothers day but i'm thinking maybe this might be a better idea...especially since she can still do word processing etc with the iWork apps.

2/3/2010 2:53:10 PM

^Wow ... and what is left for you to get her for her birthday, or Christmas? A car?

2/3/2010 3:14:05 PM

^^ what if she needs to print something?

2/3/2010 3:33:46 PM

i have to say out of everything the iPad can do, i think iWork was the most lackluster reason to buy it, albeit perfect for that demographic though.

^it's speculated if you buy the dock you'll be able to print via USB or via WiFi to a shared printer on a desktop on the network

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 3:46:20 PM

^ ah OK, that's what I wasn't sure about.

2/3/2010 3:48:25 PM

Isn't there an iPhone app that lets you print? I'm just assuming here because my dad has it on his iPhone and its called iPrint. So i'm just assuming that by the name its a print app (never clicked on it)...I'll have to find it in the app store to be sure.

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"^Wow ... and what is left for you to get her for her birthday, or Christmas? A car?"

Her bday was december. My mom likes gadgets and I don't get her something every year. 2 christmas' ago I got her the iPhone and mothers day I got her a LV wallet. I get her what I can when i can because well she is my mom and right now she is in desperate need of a laptop so its the perfect gift.

2/3/2010 4:06:58 PM

^Haha no I wasn't saying anything negative, I think it's great to give back to parents. I was just thinking that Mother's Day is typically a cheaper but thoughtful day for Moms and it struck me as humorous to buy her an expensive gadget.

Fwiw, my birthday falls on Mom's Day every couple years, and my mom never lets me forget it

2/3/2010 4:50:13 PM

some of yall weigh in on this thought for me. Is this (and products like it) the death of the text book? I see this and I think "man in middle school/high/college if they'd just pass one of these out to every kid no need for books." Hell, no need for most computer labs/tvs/projectors all that stuff with the righ deployment. We spend so much $ on out of date textbooks just imagine eliminating all the printing/shipping/ cost of that. Maybe not this year but in 10? You'd have to assume apple or someone could get the price of these down to where schools could load up.

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2/3/2010 4:52:18 PM

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"^Haha no I wasn't saying anything negative, I think it's great to give back to parents. I was just thinking that Mother's Day is typically a cheaper but thoughtful day for Moms and it struck me as humorous to buy her an expensive gadget."

oh ahaha...my mistake Like I said, she NEEDs a new computer so I can use mothers day as a good excuse

2/3/2010 4:53:49 PM

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"just imagine eliminating all the printing/shipping/ cost of that"

Despite eliminating those costs, the publishers are just going to keep the costs relatively the same and pocket the new profits.

2/3/2010 4:55:32 PM

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"Despite eliminating those costs, the publishers are just going to keep the costs relatively the same and pocket the new profits."

Yeah seriously. Look at digital downloads for video games, movies etc. They cost the same regardless if you get it via digital download or media. In the case of blu ray sometimes its just better to buy the media because it comes with the digital download (although not HD download).

One thing is for sure, publishers will not be passing down any savings to the consumer. If there even are any because there are a lot of other costs in going digital that weren't there before.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 4:59 PM. Reason : e]

2/3/2010 4:59:18 PM

Just wanted to Chime in that Prospero absolutely owned this thread for the last two pages. GG Mike, GG.

Now waiting on the JooJoo to get retail reviews, and to see how hackable the iPad is. OH, and waiting for MWC in less than two weeks to see what the hubbub is about in windows world.

2/4/2010 12:25:29 AM

not a lot is known about the JooJoo but after looking at it... it seems it'll be easy to use but SO VERY limited in what you can do... basically ereader & internet slate, larger screen but that's about it. if they kept it at $200 i think it'd take off.

although the JooJoo does have a camera for video conferencing & flash support.

i assume it's going to use the video conferencing built-in to gmail? (since there's really no apps on this thing)

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

2/4/2010 11:41:41 AM

Yeah that's my biggest question, what the application extensibility points will be. It could be akin to Palm's WebOS, which could take it a long way.

It's got some serious battery life limitations from the raw specs too, but much like the iPad, I don't think we can really judge these devices based on the specs or demos. It's going to take a couple of months to feel out their whole product experience to see which (or if any) are really worth the purchase.

2/4/2010 12:50:49 PM

^well to a degree we can in a very limited way set certain expectations about the iPad because the multitouch is something we're already familiar with along with the OS.

2/4/2010 2:05:55 PM

I heard somewhere that Apple originally wanted to create a tablet years ago, but the technology wasn't there yet, so instead they put the tablet OS into the iPhone. So now when people say that its a large iPhone, really the iPhone/iTouch is a iPad Nano. I can't verify the source but it was either a tech podcast or a news article.

I think they did the best thing and released the iPhone first. It was necessary to get users familiar with the interface. Its success is also good for leapfrogging to the iPad. If it had came out before iPhone then I think they would have a much harder time selling it.

2/6/2010 10:27:35 PM

Actually Apple had been working on a tablet for a long time but Jobs wasn't satisfied with what they had come up with.

2/6/2010 10:39:23 PM

Golovko, not to pick a fight or start that discussion tangent again, but get ready for voice recognition that is available today and supposedly worth a damn:



http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/siri-voice-recognition-iphone

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"Siri Launches Voice-Powered iPhone ‘Assistant’ By Dylan F. Tweney, February 5, 2010 12:35 pm A new app invites you to command your iPhone in the same way that Captain Kirk addressed the Enterprise’s computer. Siri's visual interface displays a transcription of what you say, then hands the data off to an appropriate web service or search engine. Siri, an artificial intelligence-based voice-recognition startup, launched an iPhone app incorporating its technology on Friday. With the app running, you can address requests to your phone verbally, asking it things like, “Will it rain today?” or “Where is a good place for pizza nearby?” and “I’d like a table for two at Il Fornaio tomorrow night at 7.” The Siri app parses the sound, interprets the request, and hands it off to an appropriate web service, such as OpenTable, Yelp, CitySearch, and so on. It displays the results onscreen as it goes, giving you a chance to correct or adjust your request via onscreen taps. It’s the most sophisticated voice recognition to appear on a smartphone yet. While Google’s Nexus One offers voice transcription capabilities — so you can speak to enter text into a web form, for instance — the Nexus One doesn’t actually interpret what you’re saying. The voice recognition and interpretation abilities built into Siri have their origins in artificial intelligence research at SRI, a legendary Silicon Valley R&D lab that was also the birthplace of the mouse and of the graphical user interface. Spun out of SRI in 2007, Siri garnered a lot of attention for its ambitious plans to develop a virtual personal assistant. Actually bringing the product to market has taken quite a bit longer than expected. In a demo shown to Wired.com, Siri responded quickly to spoken requests, answering questions about restaurants, directions and the weather with relative ease. It’s well-integrated with about 20 different web information services, and Siri representatives say that their application programming interface will allow many others to connect in the future. From our initial testing on an iPhone 3GS, the app was zippy and smooth. Siri understood broad requests like “Find Chinese food nearby” and more specific ones like “Find Nearest Chase bank.” Impressive, and much more efficient than searching for businesses in the Yelp iPhone app. The Siri app is free, and the company says it has no plans to charge end-users; the goal is to make money from referring customers to services via affiliate fees. Siri is available for download in the iTunes App Store. It requires an iPhone 3GS, because it relies on that phone’s faster processing power, but Siri representatives say a version compatible with the older iPhone 3G is in the works."

Dunno about everyone else, but I want to see this technology available everywhere. Totally makes using the keyboard a good deal less necessary--especially on small devices.

2/7/2010 7:02:02 PM

downloading that now. Sounds awesome.

2/7/2010 7:06:13 PM

downloaded it too. It's pretty well done.

2/7/2010 8:54:11 PM

Wow, so they’re doing the heavy lifting locally? Nice...

2/7/2010 11:52:55 PM

To give some small credit to Golovko, I bet a bottle of booze each that in 6 months ^^^ and ^^ aren't using the app anymore, or if they are, it's for a one off thing, usually showing it off to someone. Speech recognition is to my mind, still a novelty item that requires a bit more fine tuning.

That said, it does appear that this app has the beginnings of that fine tuning with the integration it has with other services.

Speech recognition will really take off when it can interpret complex queries better than we can type them. I mean the examples they give in the article are all fast answer simple queries that can be obtained in easier ways:

Weather -> click whether app

Pizza -> maps, locate, search pizza or maps, search pizza zipcode

Nearest bank -> maps, locate, search bank name

Now the table reservation bit is neat, and that's where the integration comes into play to handle the complex query.

[Edited on February 8, 2010 at 12:58 AM. Reason : sadf]

2/8/2010 12:52:13 AM

^true. Although I do find it faster if i want to google something. I just say "google whatever" and it's defiantly faster than bringing up safari and typing in what you want to google. True though in terms of things you don't have to type in just hitting the app is faster.

2/8/2010 1:33:06 AM

Looks and sounds cool. I'll have to give it a try.

2/8/2010 12:12:09 PM

That Siri program is pretty cool. The best feature is the interface. I like how it scrolls down with new info instead of switching screens. That way if you do multiple searches its easy to see what you did a few seconds ago. This is kinda like TI calculators where you can see what you did last. I wish more apps would use this style of UI.

2/8/2010 10:30:43 PM

double the price, not even half the features, seven times the marketing: the iPad!

2/9/2010 10:11:46 AM

wow, so original

2/9/2010 10:28:25 AM

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"double the price, not even half the features, seven times the marketing: the iPad!"

half the features of what and double the price of what?

Also, has the marketing started yet? I'm curious to see one of their ads.

/trollfood

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2/9/2010 10:53:17 AM