Yea if you come in saying a large portion of a race is defending a rapist and provide no evidence you just sound like a breitbart author

4/29/2018 4:48:57 PM

Black twitter would’ve been lit af during the OJ trial.

[Edited on April 29, 2018 at 4:50 PM. Reason : Source: federalist black crime section]

4/29/2018 4:49:53 PM

you changed "lots of black twitter" into "a large portion of black people". completely different statements. Stop trying to misrepresent what i'm saying just so you can fit me into a breitbart box.

You don't even know how to use the damn internet and no one should have to post fucking tweets to prove they exist. its just a one off mention of something someone tweeted and you want a works cited page to prove someone on the internet tweeted something stupid and it wasn't completely made up. unbelieveable...(but i'll play)
https://twitter.com/search?q=cosby%20legacy&src=typd&lang=en

If you look at the top, everyone is responding to the people who were defending his legacy, but if you go back to the 25th/26th, you'll start seeing more of the posts in reaction to the verdict. It goes on and on and on.

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"Yutti B. Slytherin ? @YBK_Yutti Apr 26 More Damn they found Bill Cosby guilty. I still don’t believe he did any of that. People just trying to destroy that mans legacy"

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"Dinero T ? @Excuse_MeDINERO Apr 26 More Damn they fucked up Bill Cosby’s legacy smh first thing you see when you type his name on google is the sexual assault case"

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"KIII ? @KiingPrime Apr 26 More It’s so sad how Bill Cosby legacy ruined just like that smfh"

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"Doses of ? @Braneishaaa Apr 26 More Lol bill Cosby legacy has been stripped away... now he will only be remembered as a black man who drugs and rape women."

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" Dread-Li ?? ? @KCLaflare Apr 26 More Bill Cosby whole legacy ruined ?? 0 replies 1 retweet 1 like Reply Retweet 1 Like 1 Chris Hoffman ? @hoffo21 Apr 26 More Wow damn its over for the Cosby legacy"

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"djikonikone ? @djikonikone Apr 26 More Bill Cosby and OJ are prime examples of whenever the dominant society wants to get you, they will stop at nothing to achieve their goal. It doesnt matter the time, place, or reason, they will stop at nothing to destroy your legacy."

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"DAY JAY ? @iJOLIE87 Apr 26 More THATS FUCK UP WHAT HAPPEN TO BILL COSBY THEY JUST WANNA RUIN THE MAN LEGACY"

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"?????woubakal ? @woubakal Apr 26 More Bill Cosby will turn 81 in a few months and he is going to jail until ...well... basically dies... What a way to end a legacy man. ?? I was raised on the Cosby Show. I watched hundreds maybe thousands of episodes when I was younger. #Mtsm ?????? ?????? ??"

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"Jiggs ?? ? @jiggsonallat Apr 26 More Jiggs ?? Retweeted Breaking911 Wow , yall finna make bill cosby die in prison and ruin his legacy that he built his whole life for the generations to come, daamn "

again, this is just lots of anecdotes and was always presented as such

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" ?Issa Damn Artist ? ? @LoneArtistW Apr 26 More Black ppl do know we can condemned Bill Cosby's actions AND fight against white supremacy at the same the same time, right? Ppl trying to say "They're trying to diminish the black mans legacy while cops are getting away with murder".... as if you can't be disgusted by both."

this is basically what i was thinking but my op was about the same people on my feed posting that throwing kanye out over trump support

[Edited on April 29, 2018 at 5:35 PM. Reason : and throwing chance out over "black people don't have to be democrats". ]

[Edited on April 29, 2018 at 5:37 PM. Reason : got me out here posting tweets]

4/29/2018 5:29:20 PM

You follow all those people? Most of em have like 1 RT, like or reply.

Not sure that's representative of "alot of black twitter" especially when most of the top results are against that narrative. Also when you search "cosby legacy" you are much more likely to get supporters bc most people aren't worried about his legacy

Also how many of the accounts you posted shat on kanye and/or Chance, bc they are supposed to be doing both right?

I saw plenty of people knocking Kanye, fewer knocking chance and none defending Cosby.

You can't go out searching for something after acting like to naturally showed up on your timeline. I could do some pretty mild searches and come on here saying "look white twitter is just a bunch of racists"

You couldn't just say "some people are defending cosby on Twitter" bc who cares, some people are garbage. You decided to frame it that "alot of black twitter" is garbage.

4/29/2018 6:07:03 PM

I don't know any of those accounts, I only posted them because you couldn't believe that posts like that even existed and thought I had to make it up. I'm not going to out my friends by posting their posts to a messageboard. I commented or DMed them what i thought but I'm not going to drag them around the internet.

"A lot" is arbitrary and that is already a lot. It doesn't need to be "most" as you are insinuating.

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"You can't go out searching for something after acting like to naturally showed up on your timeline."

It did. Thats why its silly for you to say I'm making up what I saw on my timeline.

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" I could do some pretty mild searches and come on here saying "look white twitter is just a bunch of racists" "

another misrepresentation. "A lot" vs "just"

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"You decided to frame it that "alot of black twitter" is garbage."

those are your words. I didn't say anything about "garbage" and would never think someone is garbage just because they have an opinion i don't like. Thats why I have such a diverse timeline with extreme views from all over in the first place.

They aren't garbage and if you read the posts can you gain some insight into why they feel that way. Its an emotional response to a sensitive issue on a complicated topic.

It seems like you only associate with people who share the same views as you because everyone else is "contrarian" or "garbage".

[Edited on April 29, 2018 at 6:47 PM. Reason : theres also theories circulating that the whole thing came up because he was going to buy nbc]
https://www.cnn.com/2015/01/08/showbiz/feat-phylicia-rashad-bill-cosby-conspiracy/index.html

[Edited on April 29, 2018 at 6:49 PM. Reason : its not new]

4/29/2018 6:47:02 PM

Good talk. And good thread for it to be in.

4/29/2018 7:35:19 PM

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"NEW: Congressional Democrats are pledging not to exploit hacked materials in their campaigns, but Republicans have declined to match that commitment, leaving the midterm races vulnerable to malicious interference."

Saw this on twitter.

Fucking Democrats suck..

5/1/2018 11:06:11 AM

I typically agree with fighting fire with fire, but this could help keep Dems noses clean during the elections.

I tend to think that a lot of the GOP will be roped into Trump’s Russia fiasco in one form or another, some of whom probably did not know most of the details of the conspiracy.

So maybe it’s easier to just say “Don’t accept questionable oppo research from internet trolls, period.”

5/1/2018 11:33:59 AM

it's related to their dumbass lawsuit

[Edited on May 1, 2018 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2018 11:36:29 AM

hopefully this is the last nail in the coffin for clinton's influence among young democrats:

Hillary Clinton to endorse Cuomo in NY governor race: report
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/388587-hillary-clinton-to-endorse-cuomo-in-ny-governor-race-reportHillary

5/21/2018 11:26:46 AM

Republicans are ahead of Democrats in the latest Reuters generic congressional poll.

http://polling.reuters.com/#!response/TM1212Y17/type/smallest/filters/PD1:1/dates/20180101-20180521/collapsed/true

Clearly this means they aren't attacking Trump hard enough.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-democrats-must-get-a-lot-tougher-on-the-trump-scandals-or-they-will-lose-the-midterms?ref=wrap?ref=wrap

edit: hell yeah, this should do it:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/politics/hillary-clinton-democracy-crisis/index.html

[Edited on May 21, 2018 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

5/21/2018 3:43:03 PM

What would your tactic be to Trump? Just let him lie with impunity until people start to believe him?

It’s way more difficult than you seem to believe. I’ve seen no evidence that Democrats in local races are spending TOO MUCH time on Russia and/or Trump. MSNBC and other outlets sure? But again, those are capitalist media entities.

5/25/2018 8:22:17 AM

can all of these 70 year old billionaire "practical centrists" just fuck off and die already?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/05/howard-schultz-rips-democrats-for-veering-too-far-left.html

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"It concerns me that so many voices within the Democratic Party are going so far to the left. I say to myself, 'How are we going to pay for these things,' in terms of things like single payer [and] people espousing the fact that the government is going to give everyone a job. I don't think that's realistic." "I think we got to get away from these falsehoods and start talking about the truth and not false promises" said Schultz, whose Monday announcement that he's stepping down as executive chairman of Starbucks is driving speculation that he may run for president in the 2020 election."

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"I think the greatest threat domestically to the country is this $21 trillion debt hanging over the cloud of America and future generations," Schultz said. "The only way we're going to get out of that is we've got to grow the economy, in my view, 4 percent or greater. And then we have to go after entitlements."

6/6/2018 4:28:25 PM

wow

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/390898-dem-leaders-embrace-pay-go

6/6/2018 5:32:35 PM

^^ tbf to Shultz he is, from best I can tell, a pretty decent and philanthropic guy. Just needs to stay way far away from politics.

We don’t really ever need a real businessman to be president. Too many biases and bad corporate ideas.

*** is there a Pay-Go primer? I’m not familiar with it at all.

6/6/2018 6:53:00 PM

The Koch Brothers are also massive philanthropists, but their political views are abhorrent and dangerous. Schultz can fuck right off.

Pay-go means that funding for social programs can't be increased without paying for it elsewhere, usually meaning cuts to other social programs. In theory, they could also accomplish this by cutting defense spending or raising taxes on the rich, but obviously those are absurd scenarios.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/omb/paygo_description/

[Edited on June 6, 2018 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .]

6/6/2018 7:17:35 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/391459-dnc-panel-adopts-rule-requiring-candidates-to-run-serve-as-a-democrat


They'll never learn

6/9/2018 3:13:18 PM

They know exactly what they're doing. Democrats would rather lose in the short term than capitulate to the working class. They are capitalists, first and foremost - we are here to serve them & and their donors, not the other way around.

[Edited on June 9, 2018 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

6/9/2018 3:34:58 PM

Gillibrand endorses Crowly over Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who is running a campaign that should be a model for democrats nationwide.

(I wonder what madelein albright thinks of this!)

6/12/2018 7:59:58 AM

A Democrat Funded by AT&T Could Sabotage California's Net Neutrality Law
https://gizmodo.com/a-democrat-funded-by-at-t-could-sabotage-californias-ne-1826964363

6/20/2018 10:11:04 AM

^^ she is so impressive. I can’t understand how an opportunist like Gillibrand wouldn’t be falling all over herself to support Ocasio.

6/20/2018 10:12:42 AM

She is amazing and currently en route to an ICE detention center on the border. Direct action by politicians is my shit

Meanwhile, this piece of shit...

6/20/2018 10:46:55 AM

and don't forget that Kamala Harris supports ICE
https://twitter.com/banditelli/status/972123325659889664

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 11:33 AM. Reason : .]

6/20/2018 11:30:12 AM

What should the penelty for entering a country illegally be? Fining people like a parking ticket could be fun.

6/20/2018 11:41:05 AM

none

6/20/2018 11:50:22 AM

Hopefully Japan agrees with you. I’d like to go live there for a bit with out informing them

6/20/2018 12:45:43 PM

Lol your suggestion was a fine, was that serious? The only way to punish illegal immigration after the fact is through violent removal.

No punishment is the correct stance. Or complete open borders.

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

6/20/2018 12:49:14 PM

Open boarders in the sense no passport or visa is required to enter. Or everyone has the right to live anywhere they want whenever?

6/20/2018 12:58:37 PM

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" everyone has the right to live anywhere they want whenever?"

Yeah. Do whatever you want, but don't tread on me.

6/20/2018 1:06:52 PM

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"Open boarders in the sense no passport or visa is required to enter. Or everyone has the right to live anywhere they want whenever?"

Anyone can enter at any time and become a US citizen. It is the only non-violent long term solution.

6/20/2018 1:13:30 PM

What do you want the process of becoming a citizen to be? Does it involve a test, paperwork, court date?

6/20/2018 1:17:58 PM

How should people who don't pay your fine be punished? What should happen to their kids?

6/20/2018 1:19:44 PM

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"Anyone can enter at any time and become a US citizen. It is the only non-violent long term solution."

That solution would end violently. So many people would pour into this country that the existing infrastructure would not be able to handle it, leading to riots and looting. Similarly, the central American countries that lost large percentages of their population would also become unstable due to the lack of skilled and unskilled labor.

6/20/2018 1:49:55 PM

^ I find this incredibly hard to believe. Don’t be stupid.

Also if you can’t pay a fine? What happens when someone gets a parking ticket? Most people pay it, some don’t. People who don’t have the fine increase.

In the long run I don’t really care if people enter the country at a faster rate than they currently do. but for the sake of organization it would be nice to know who’s entering and why.

6/20/2018 1:56:46 PM

Counterarguments to eleusis:

https://openborders.info/native-wages-down/
https://openborders.info/brain-drain/

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"Also if you can’t pay a fine? What happens when someone gets a parking ticket? Most people pay it, some don’t. People who don’t have the fine increase."

So there's really no point and you might as well have no fine at all.

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"In the long run I don’t really care if people enter the country at a faster rate than they currently do. but for the sake of organization it would be nice to know who’s entering and why."

For most people I think open borders means an expedited process where no one is turned down unless there is a very good reason. Idk enough about this stuff, maybe JesusHChrist could explain better.

6/20/2018 2:14:29 PM

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"So there's really no point and you might as well have no fine at all."

What is the point of any fine then? I do think that fining people walking through the desert with no money is not a good idea tho.

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"For most people I think open borders means an expedited process where no one is turned down unless there is a very good reason. Idk enough about this stuff, maybe JesusHChrist could explain better."

What does "very good reason" mean? I am sure the people who would like an open boarder have many answers for what that means. Also what if someone does not want to be a citizen? Can they stay? or are they removed?

6/20/2018 3:33:23 PM

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"What is the point of any fine then? I do think that fining people walking through the desert with no money is not a good idea tho."

In general, it's a hugely unfair burden on poor people and a minor inconvenience for the rich. In this case, what you said.

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"What does "very good reason" mean? I am sure the people who would like an open boarder have many answers for what that means. Also what if someone does not want to be a citizen? Can they stay? or are they removed?"

These are logistics that are secondary to the argument tbh, and I don't know the right answers. Opening the borders substantially is a step forward, then we can argue about more incremental steps.

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 4:07 PM. Reason : .]

6/20/2018 4:05:09 PM

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"Also if you can’t pay a fine? What happens when someone gets a parking ticket? Most people pay it, some don’t. People who don’t have the fine increase."

We love to incarcerate the poors people who can't pay fines.

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 4:11 PM. Reason : s]

6/20/2018 4:11:33 PM

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"Counterarguments to eleusis: https://openborders.info/native-wages-down/ https://openborders.info/brain-drain/"

find some counterarguments from someplace not titled openborders.info, and I'll read them.

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 4:18 PM. Reason : the brain-drain article completely ignores East German/West Berlin as a case study.]

6/20/2018 4:15:19 PM

^^
Yeah there are hundreds of thousands of US citizens locked up because they can't afford bail. And guess what happens to the kids if there is no other guardian?

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"find some counterarguments from someplace not titled openborders.info, and I'll read them."

It is pro-immigration, but it presents both sides of the issue pretty damn fairly.

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 4:19 PM. Reason : .]

6/20/2018 4:16:57 PM

trying to argue that Africa hasn't been robbed of billions and making no mention of the entire reason the Berlin wall was built and the aftereffects is not "pretty damn fairly".

6/20/2018 4:20:11 PM

Bail is not a fine. It’s another issue entirely.

6/20/2018 4:28:33 PM

It's the same situation. Poor people live in a different legal system.

6/20/2018 4:29:26 PM

Yes everything is relatively more expensive for poor people!

Woooooaahhhhhh!!!!

6/20/2018 4:34:43 PM

Yeah it's severely fucked up that a poor person can spend months in jail and lose their kids because they can't afford bail for a crime they might not have even committed.

Laugh it off though right?

6/20/2018 4:40:26 PM

Yes it’s ridiculous. I’m not sure how we got off on this tangent.

I’d like to know more about open boarders.

6/20/2018 4:46:01 PM

It's pretty relevant. Borders are already open for rich people. This is a good article and goes over that point at the end:

https://newint.org/blog/2017/11/29/why-open-borders

[Edited on June 20, 2018 at 4:50 PM. Reason : .]

6/20/2018 4:47:30 PM

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""For most people I think open borders means an expedited process where no one is turned down unless there is a very good reason. Idk enough about this stuff, maybe JesusHChrist could explain better.""

Without getting into too much detail, I'll just say this:

Our current system allows capital to cross borders freely and without obstruction, while labor is restricted to artificial boundaries. This is the root cause of conflict and migration, as capital (think: NAFTA, tax holidays, outsourcing, corporate tax rates, offshore bank accounts, etc) goes where taxes are lowest and labor laws are the most lax, while workers are denied entry to territories with beneficial labor laws and working conditions. This inherently tilts the table in favor of capitalists and puts workers in direct competition with one another along regional lines. Add in the punishing hammer of imperialism and resource extraction from third world countries, and you create the conditions of extreme poverty, thereby creating asylum seekers who are fleeing persecution and violence in search of work (commonly referred to as "a better life").

If we view migration patterns as a labor struggle in addition to being a humanitarian issue, then the case for "Internationalism" can be made effectively. Worker solidarity is an important component to socialist thought (workers of the WORLD, unite!). Raising the baseline working conditions of overseas labor is important and should be integral to the left, because it reduces the pool of cheap, exploitable labor that can be found the world over. If you raise the baseline conditions and demand just compensation for brown skinned workers just as you would for white skinned workers, and agitate for collective ownership of natural resources, then you reduce the likelihood of private enterprises fleeing towns so that they can maximize their profit off of the backs of unpaid laborers.


That doesn't answer your question at the nuts-and-bolts level, but that is more or less the argument for open borders. Like most issues of inequality, it is a labor issue as much as it is a humanitarian issue.

6/20/2018 5:01:17 PM

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"Raising the baseline working conditions of overseas labor is important and should be integral to the left, because it reduces the pool of cheap, exploitable labor that can be found the world over. "

explain how open borders does that in even the slightest. It practice, it has the opposite effect of suppressing labor costs in open border countries while doing nothing to address the underlying problems in other countries. It also disincentives funding investments in education, since it's cheaper to import people that other countries shelled out money on education for and than it is to educate your own. We see this already in the unwillingness of companies to pay for training employees, since job mobility is prevalent today and it's not worth the investment if the employee simply leaves afterwards.

6/20/2018 5:19:22 PM

im on a computer rather than my phone so im just going to ramble.....

Most of this is addressing labor which I don't really see is the point of 'open boarders". Currently labor is moved all over the world but it does not give people citizenship in the country they are working in.

With the EU, the took a huge block of countries and allowed people to move throughout it with little issue. This has caused some issues and some great results. One issue being everyone is trying to move to Germany and Scandinavia. Leaving Eastern Europe, Spain and Southern Italy with less skilled labor. https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/09/european-demographics-aging-employment-migration/540084/.

The USA is a huge amount of land that allows people to travel with no issue. I see this being useful for combined countries through agreements and treaties. If North America allowed for people to travel and live throughout it, it might remove some of the issues central america has today and cause more cash flow. It might also gut it of skilled labor and completely fuck it up.

Taking all of this in account, the middle east and asian will never be on board with this. If the USA, Canada, Mexico and the EU allowed for free movement of people it might be a good start.

6/20/2018 5:39:15 PM